Is BIPOC the new term to use? What happened to just POC?

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48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine). White
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese) White
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian) White
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya) White

Yeah, no. Some nuance here, please. According to the white supremacists, out of all of the people on that list, only the Norwegians are white.

PP here. Exactly — and that is one reason why Jews are more likely to be victims of hate crimes than any other group, including black people.

But I guess we tend to have .... light skin, so we’re white?

I honestly don't understand how this is difficult to understand. POC = "person of color." If your skin is white (despite being Jewish, or Muslim, or non-Christian), then you are white (or perhaps white-ish). You are not a Person of Color.

It doesn't mean one may face discrimination because of their religion - they certainly may. But they're still white. Especially if you have lightish hair and eyes.

Wait — Asians have white skin. But they’re not white.

See how your argument breaks down?

[Anonymous]

You’re really talking about “light skin.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_skin#Geographic_distribution

Would the Mongolian woman or the Iranian woman pictured in that article be white because they have light skin?

See how stupid it is to base it on skin color?

[Anonymous]

So would an Indian-American (immigrant from India or US born) be considered BIPOC? Or would it depend on skin color?

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

Only whites are privileged enough to have one term for themselves.

LOL. I am from West Virginia. I've been called white trash, hillbilly, cracker, peckerwood, trailer trash, inbred (x1000), and all sorts of other unflattering things.

I do my best to call people of any race, gender, etc. whatever they prefer to be called. If you want BIPOC, BIPOC it is. I do find the indigenous part confusing because only Native Americans are indigenous here. the rest of us are immigrants, forced or unforced.

My family started out as "indentured servants" here.

At what point are people no longer immigrants? How many generations or years have to pass?

I'm not the PP, but all of us except Native Americans are immigrants not matter how or when you came or how long you've been here.

Eh, my mom's side came over on the Mayflower and my dad's wasn't long after that; DAR, Mayflower Society, all that jazz. We have tons of genealogy research and can document 14+ generations who have been born and raised on American soil. I don't think anyone, especially myself, would be able to classify me as an immigrant. It would honestly be incredibly embarrassing if I ever had to unpack that for someone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So would an Indian-American (immigrant from India or US born) be considered BIPOC? Or would it depend on skin color?

My point is it’s stupid to base it on skin color.

Most people would consider Iranian people and certainly Mongolians to be POC, despite their skin tone.

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I honestly don't understand how this is difficult to understand. POC = "person of color." If your skin is white (despite being Jewish, or Muslim, or non-Christian), then you are white (or perhaps white-ish). You are not a Person of Color.

It doesn't mean one may face discrimination because of their religion - they certainly may. But they're still white. Especially if you have lightish hair and eyes.

Walter White led the NAACP between 1929 and 1955. Both of his parents were born into slavery. He had white skin, blond hair, and blue eyes. Do you think he was white? He didn't think he was.

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I honestly don't understand how this is difficult to understand. POC = "person of color." If your skin is white (despite being Jewish, or Muslim, or non-Christian), then you are white (or perhaps white-ish). You are not a Person of Color.

It doesn't mean one may face discrimination because of their religion - they certainly may. But they're still white. Especially if you have lightish hair and eyes.

Walter White led the NAACP between 1929 and 1955. Both of his parents were born into slavery. He had white skin, blond hair, and blue eyes. Do you think he was white? He didn't think he was.

Right.

People who are determining this by skin color are denying the experience of many, many people who are not considered white by the people who perpetrate violence against them.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

I know a light skinned, blonde, blue-eyed woman who wants to be identified as Native American. Her mother is 100% Sioux with tribal affiliation, her father is Eastern European. So if you talk to her about race don't assume she's white.

Right — she’s a great example of what I’m talking about. She has every right to identify as Native American, even if the world perceives her as white.

She is absolutely Native American. But she moves through the world differently than someone who looks more stereotypically Native American does. She can identify as Native American and also acknowledge that.

- daughter of a blonde haired, blue eyed black man

So she’s Native American, but I’m white?

Yerp.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

I know a light skinned, blonde, blue-eyed woman who wants to be identified as Native American. Her mother is 100% Sioux with tribal affiliation, her father is Eastern European. So if you talk to her about race don't assume she's white.

Right — she’s a great example of what I’m talking about. She has every right to identify as Native American, even if the world perceives her as white.

She is absolutely Native American. But she moves through the world differently than someone who looks more stereotypically Native American does. She can identify as Native American and also acknowledge that.

- daughter of a blonde haired, blue eyed black man

So she’s Native American, but I’m white?

Yerp.

On what basis? My skin tone?

Read the posts above to see why that’s stupid.

[Anonymous]

I guess Koreans, Vietnamese, Argentinians, light skinned Native Americans are all white by PP’s definition. And Sicilians, Greeks, Maltese aren’t...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess Koreans, Vietnamese, Argentinians, light skinned Native Americans are all white by PP’s definition. And Sicilians, Greeks, Maltese aren’t...

Oh, and Black people with Albinism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

I know a light skinned, blonde, blue-eyed woman who wants to be identified as Native American. Her mother is 100% Sioux with tribal affiliation, her father is Eastern European. So if you talk to her about race don't assume she's white.

Right — she’s a great example of what I’m talking about. She has every right to identify as Native American, even if the world perceives her as white.

She is absolutely Native American. But she moves through the world differently than someone who looks more stereotypically Native American does. She can identify as Native American and also acknowledge that.

- daughter of a blonde haired, blue eyed black man

So she’s Native American, but I’m white?

Yerp.

On what basis? My skin tone?

Read the posts above to see why that’s stupid.

Look, if you want to be a POC go ahead. When people ask you what you mean by that, since you appear white, you'll have to explain. When you can't, they'll think you're an asshole. But hey, you do you. Just remember to let the police know that you're a POC when they come around, so they know to beat the shit out of you like the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes!

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine). White
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese) White
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian) White
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya) White

Yeah, no. Some nuance here, please. According to the white supremacists, out of all of the people on that list, only the Norwegians are white.

PP here. Exactly — and that is one reason why Jews are more likely to be victims of hate crimes than any other group, including black people.

But I guess we tend to have .... light skin, so we’re white?

I honestly don't understand how this is difficult to understand. POC = "person of color." If your skin is white (despite being Jewish, or Muslim, or non-Christian), then you are white (or perhaps white-ish). You are not a Person of Color.

It doesn't mean one may face discrimination because of their religion - they certainly may. But they're still white. Especially if you have lightish hair and eyes.

Anti-Semitism is rarely just discrimination about religion. Nazi Germany sent all Jews to the camps, including secular assimilated Jews, people who were only a quarter Jewish, and people who had converted to Christianity. There was even a nun who was sent to the camp as a Jew because one of her grandparents was Jewish.

If you think Jews don’t face racism you are uneducated.

(Of course it is not the same kind of racism as what Black people face, which is not the same as what Asians face, which is not the same as what Latinos face... Each group is unique and that is part of the problem with this idea of a white versus POC binary)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don’t even know how to define “people of color.”

I identify as Jewish-American. When I did 23andme a few years back, it came back as:

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine)
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese)
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian)
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya)

They couldn’t categorize the rest.

Outside of the Norwegian portion, my background is not white, as defined as Anglo-Saxon. I look white in terms of my skin color. I don’t face discrimination based on my skin color, but I do based on my religion.

My mom, uncle, and grandpa were called Japs in NYC in the 1930s-1960s and my grandpa and his brothers were in internment camps here.

On the Jewish side, everyone came here in the 1910s/1920s to escape pogroms in Ukraine and Russia. They all changed their names to anglicize them.

So what the hell am I, in terms of this “POC vs white people” dichotomy?

Fortunately, you don't have to. You know what you identify as. Let other people decide what they identify as.

I know a light skinned, blonde, blue-eyed woman who wants to be identified as Native American. Her mother is 100% Sioux with tribal affiliation, her father is Eastern European. So if you talk to her about race don't assume she's white.

Right — she’s a great example of what I’m talking about. She has every right to identify as Native American, even if the world perceives her as white.

She is absolutely Native American. But she moves through the world differently than someone who looks more stereotypically Native American does. She can identify as Native American and also acknowledge that.

- daughter of a blonde haired, blue eyed black man

So she’s Native American, but I’m white?

Yerp.

On what basis? My skin tone?

Read the posts above to see why that’s stupid.

Look, if you want to be a POC go ahead. When people ask you what you mean by that, since you appear white, you'll have to explain. When you can't, they'll think you're an asshole. But hey, you do you. Just remember to let the police know that you're a POC when they come around, so they know to beat the shit out of you like the rest of us.

I’ll explain by saying I’m Jewish. If you don’t know what that means, read the above post; that person explained it well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes!

48% Ashkenazi Jewish (by way of Russia and Ukraine). White
14% Southern European (Italian and Maltese) White
14% Northwestern European (Norwegian) White
13% East Asian (Japanese and Korean)
4% Middle Eastern and North African (probably Libya) White

Yeah, no. Some nuance here, please. According to the white supremacists, out of all of the people on that list, only the Norwegians are white.

PP here. Exactly — and that is one reason why Jews are more likely to be victims of hate crimes than any other group, including black people.

But I guess we tend to have .... light skin, so we’re white?

I honestly don't understand how this is difficult to understand. POC = "person of color." If your skin is white (despite being Jewish, or Muslim, or non-Christian), then you are white (or perhaps white-ish). You are not a Person of Color.

It doesn't mean one may face discrimination because of their religion - they certainly may. But they're still white. Especially if you have lightish hair and eyes.

Anti-Semitism is rarely just discrimination about religion. Nazi Germany sent all Jews to the camps, including secular assimilated Jews, people who were only a quarter Jewish, and people who had converted to Christianity. There was even a nun who was sent to the camp as a Jew because one of her grandparents was Jewish.

If you think Jews don’t face racism you are uneducated.

(Of course it is not the same kind of racism as what Black people face, which is not the same as what Asians face, which is not the same as what Latinos face... Each group is unique and that is part of the problem with this idea of a white versus POC binary)

THANK YOU.

Finally. Someone who gets it.

Hitler didn’t give 2 shts about whether we practiced our religion, and neither do Neo-Nazis of today. They care that we’re Jews. We’re different. We’re not white.

Sorry that doesn’t fit your narrative.