Virginia vs. Maryland for Universities

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Virginia or Maryland have better universities? Deciding where to live in the DMV and would prefer in-state tuition for my kids. Thanks!

It depends. If they are going to major in physics, then you want UMD-CP.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

I'm sure most PhDs missed the "please list all random universities on the US News list" question in their qualifying exams. They should really beef that section up to make sure our professors are adequately trained in the important elements of their field! "Sir, you are the foremost expert on modeling sound and vibration, but DO YOU KNOW OF W&M?! GOOD DAY SIR!"

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Poets and Quants --the leading review of business schools--perennially ranks W&M's undergraduate business program very highly. So a business prof that can't keep track of top business undergrads is really out of touch.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Poets and Quants --the leading review of business schools--perennially ranks W&M's undergraduate business program very highly. So a business prof that can't keep track of top business undergrads is really out of touch.

Or, for those particularly in touch, Poets and Quants undergrad rankings methodology is viewed as disastrously flawed and is ignored almost universally. If you don't believe me, go read the comments on their ranking article

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Poets and Quants --the leading review of business schools--perennially ranks W&M's undergraduate business program very highly. So a business prof that can't keep track of top business undergrads is really out of touch.

Or, for those particularly in touch, Poets and Quants undergrad rankings methodology is viewed as disastrously flawed and is ignored almost universally. If you don't believe me, go read the comments on their ranking article

I'm not arguing for or against whether its ranking is appropriate/flawed etc. but rather the school's name would be known by someone in the field. And, if you're arguing about comments as a source of evidence...

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Poets and Quants --the leading review of business schools--perennially ranks W&M's undergraduate business program very highly. So a business prof that can't keep track of top business undergrads is really out of touch.

Or, for those particularly in touch, Poets and Quants undergrad rankings methodology is viewed as disastrously flawed and is ignored almost universally. If you don't believe me, go read the comments on their ranking article

I'm not arguing for or against whether its ranking is appropriate/flawed etc. but rather the school's name would be known by someone in the field. And, if you're arguing about comments as a source of evidence...

Just like the "Hult International School of Business" should be well known? You know, the school that appears within a few spaces of W&M on the ranking you posted?

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

I'm sure most PhDs missed the "please list all random universities on the US News list" question in their qualifying exams. They should really beef that section up to make sure our professors are adequately trained in the important elements of their field! "Sir, you are the foremost expert on modeling sound and vibration, but DO YOU KNOW OF W&M?! GOOD DAY SIR!"

COME ON! Random university? It's a top 15 public school in the country! Do you carry on through life in a semi-conscious state?

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Apart from that, people who are generally familiar with higher education and/or American history know that W&M was the second college founded in the American colonies and that it was attended by Thomas Jefferson and other presidents.

But I guess if you're an accounting or engineering professor with a narrow focus you might not know this. One might think PP would keep her ignorance to herself but that rarely stops DCUM posters.

Then the university should be renamed "Jefferson and Presidents" to remind people of its proud history.

The sad truth is people outside of VA simply don't care.

Well, the "sad truth" is I am from California and have known of William & Mary for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Apart from that, people who are generally familiar with higher education and/or American history know that W&M was the second college founded in the American colonies and that it was attended by Thomas Jefferson and other presidents.

But I guess if you're an accounting or engineering professor with a narrow focus you might not know this. One might think PP would keep her ignorance to herself but that rarely stops DCUM posters.

Then the university should be renamed "Jefferson and Presidents" to remind people of its proud history.

The sad truth is people outside of VA simply don't care.

Well, the "sad truth" is I am from California and have known of William & Mary for a long time.

I’m from Massachusetts and also know that William and Mary is a really, really good school.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Poets and Quants --the leading review of business schools--perennially ranks W&M's undergraduate business program very highly. So a business prof that can't keep track of top business undergrads is really out of touch.

Or, for those particularly in touch, Poets and Quants undergrad rankings methodology is viewed as disastrously flawed and is ignored almost universally. If you don't believe me, go read the comments on their ranking article

I'm not arguing for or against whether its ranking is appropriate/flawed etc. but rather the school's name would be known by someone in the field. And, if you're arguing about comments as a source of evidence...

Just like the "Hult International School of Business" should be well known? You know, the school that appears within a few spaces of W&M on the ranking you posted?

okay, just checking other rankings-- Forbes ranks the W&M's business school 44, US news 62, it's internationally ranked 100. I'm just saying that even in the narrow field of business, the school is well-regarded and known beyond VA. I grew up in the Midwest in a family that didn't know much about education and I heard of William & Mary (though to be fair it might have been through the Steely Dan song that referenced it first...).

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

I'm sure most PhDs missed the "please list all random universities on the US News list" question in their qualifying exams. They should really beef that section up to make sure our professors are adequately trained in the important elements of their field! "Sir, you are the foremost expert on modeling sound and vibration, but DO YOU KNOW OF W&M?! GOOD DAY SIR!"

COME ON! Random university? It's a top 15 public school in the country! Do you carry on through life in a semi-conscious state?

It's ranked #40.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/william-and-mary-3705

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

I completely disagree. Someone who works in academia absolutely should recognize the name of a school that is perennially ranked as one of the best schools in the country. No ifs ands or buts about it.

I'm sure most PhDs missed the "please list all random universities on the US News list" question in their qualifying exams. They should really beef that section up to make sure our professors are adequately trained in the important elements of their field! "Sir, you are the foremost expert on modeling sound and vibration, but DO YOU KNOW OF W&M?! GOOD DAY SIR!"

COME ON! Random university? It's a top 15 public school in the country! Do you carry on through life in a semi-conscious state?

It's ranked #40.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/william-and-mary-3705

It's ranked 40th in the overall national rankings. It's #12 in top public school rankings. Even more reason for someone in academia to know it.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

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Anonymous wrote:So, I am the one that originally questioned the professor's veracity, I think the answer may be field specific. Perhaps he is an engineering professor. I have a PhD in economics from a very highly rated program, but don't work in academia.
Liberal arts schools, which W&M styles itself as, disproportionately send students to graduate school. W&M does so as well. As such, I would expect that most graduate students are well acquainted with top undergraduate programs, including liberal arts colleges. W&M is certainly viewed as a top undergraduate school, with the exception of the Ivy snobs.
This however, is not universally true for engineering schools, which are not a standard pathway from liberal arts schools.

Still, someone who alleges to work in academia should have a basic understanding of nationally ranked colleges, whether those colleges specialize in your field or not. I was an English major, attended a liberal arts college, but I still know that Carnegie Melon is a good school. The "not my field" argument only goes so far.

That's the point though. Everyone knows Carnegie Mellon is good school. Everyone knows Virginia Tech is a good school. Not a lot of people know that William and Mary is a good school or even a school at all. It's probably the most unrecognizable name on the top 100 US News universities outside of maybe Lehigh. Also, saying that "well narrowly focused professions like engineering and business may not have heard of it" just sounds really bad because you might as well say that W&M is not a school for people who want jobs when they graduate.

This is just stupid. There are people who've heard of W&M who aren't familiar with Carnegie Mellon, and vice versa. And the same could be said with respect to Rice, Washington University, University of Rochester, Case Western, and Northeastern (and I haven't even gotten to #50-100 yet).

You should really go back to fine tuning your syllabus rather than keep spouting such inanities here. You are digging a hole for yourself and it's only getting deeper.