Where did your B student go to college?

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that you also come out of the woodwork.

I think you keep missing the point that many of these schools offer very generous merit aid. But I forgot, you are a on instant replay

+1 What an a$$. My daughter has a 35 ACT 3.9 UW GPA and has just been accepted to a CTCL with very generous merit. She had a great visit and we were both impressed by the school. It is one of her top picks. Not everyone wants to, or can afford to, go to the "Top 20" schools. These are all nationally ranked schools by US News. I don't get the ugliness that comes out when these nationally ranked schools are discussed.

The only people you're hurting with your comments are the kids. Why would you put down their choices of where they choose to go to college - whether it's a CTCL school or any other. What is wrong with you people?

I'm not hurting any kids by expressing my view on CTCL schools on DCUM. I'll tell you who is hurting kids though -- expensive CTCL schools with no name recognition and low graduation rates.

Your ignorance is showing.

I too am a parent of a CTCL student. DS attends Denison. It's been a very positive experience and ironically I am concerned about their recent rise in the rankings as I have one more (child) and I'd like to see her have a shot at attending ideally with a decent discount (merit) package.

And to the parent above congrats to you and your daughter on her hard work and continued success.

I wouldn't worry too much. They're currently only 43rd so they have a long way to go before top students will have any interest in going there.

Considering that only about 7-9 years ago US News ranked Colby in the mid 30s and now in the top 10 (in no small part by playing the US News ranking game), I think PP’s concern about Denison is spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking of CTCL schools, Lynchburg has a beautiful campus and has recently constructed some new buildings. They seem to be gaining momentum with strong merit awards and pathway programs for their DPT and PA grad programs.

And a 56 percent graduation rate. No thanks.

Which is above the national average for private colleges and universities. CTCL schools generally graduate above national average.

Wrong. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that you also come out of the woodwork.

I think you keep missing the point that many of these schools offer very generous merit aid. But I forgot, you are a on instant replay

+1 What an a$$. My daughter has a 35 ACT 3.9 UW GPA and has just been accepted to a CTCL with very generous merit. She had a great visit and we were both impressed by the school. It is one of her top picks. Not everyone wants to, or can afford to, go to the "Top 20" schools. These are all nationally ranked schools by US News. I don't get the ugliness that comes out when these nationally ranked schools are discussed.

The only people you're hurting with your comments are the kids. Why would you put down their choices of where they choose to go to college - whether it's a CTCL school or any other. What is wrong with you people?

I'm not hurting any kids by expressing my view on CTCL schools on DCUM. I'll tell you who is hurting kids though -- expensive CTCL schools with no name recognition and low graduation rates.

Your ignorance is showing.

I too am a parent of a CTCL student. DS attends Denison. It's been a very positive experience and ironically I am concerned about their recent rise in the rankings as I have one more (child) and I'd like to see her have a shot at attending ideally with a decent discount (merit) package.

And to the parent above congrats to you and your daughter on her hard work and continued success.

I wouldn't worry too much. They're currently only 43rd so they have a long way to go before top students will have any interest in going there.

Considering that only about 7-9 years ago US News ranked Colby in the mid 30s and now in the top 10 (in no small part by playing the US News ranking game), I think PP’s concern about Denison is spot on.

Colby was ranked 18th in 2012 and is ranked 11th today. So you're wrong on both ends. (Denison, btw, was 49th eight years ago so isn't exactly shooting up the rankings either)

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Pretty interesting to see so many posts with inaccurate information. Doesn't anybody connected to CTCL know how to do a google search?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking of CTCL schools, Lynchburg has a beautiful campus and has recently constructed some new buildings. They seem to be gaining momentum with strong merit awards and pathway programs for their DPT and PA grad programs.

And a 56 percent graduation rate. No thanks.

Which is above the national average for private colleges and universities. CTCL schools generally graduate above national average.

Wrong. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40

Higher than average graduation and retention when compared to similar institutions:
https://www.lynchburg.edu/about/institutional-effectiveness/measures-of-student-achievement/

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking of CTCL schools, Lynchburg has a beautiful campus and has recently constructed some new buildings. They seem to be gaining momentum with strong merit awards and pathway programs for their DPT and PA grad programs.

And a 56 percent graduation rate. No thanks.

Which is above the national average for private colleges and universities. CTCL schools generally graduate above national average.

Wrong. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40

Higher than average graduation and retention when compared to similar institutions:
https://www.lynchburg.edu/about/institutional-effectiveness/measures-of-student-achievement/

Take a closer look. They're comparing themselves to "similar" institutions -- not all privates. What's a similar institution? Other second tier expensive schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Colleges that Change Lives. It's a book about overpriced second tier colleges for B students for parents who wish their kids could get into top schools but can't. DCUM families drool over the book . . .

OP, instead of believing this nasty post, I suggest you search for other threads on DCUM about CTCL. No need to rehash here what has already been discussed ad nauseum by proponents and opponents of those colleges and the types of students who actually attend them

OP, CTCL schools give very generous merit aid. Get him to study for the SATs. It pays dividends.

OP, CTCL schools are second tier and half their students don't graduate. They're a total scam. Send your kid to a solid Catholic college -- Jesuit if you can -- and they'll actually graduate with a marketable degree and do well. Don't waste your time on second tier liberal arts colleges.

You keep saying that. I do not think the word “half” means what you think it means. I looked it up:
St. Olaf College - 82%
Rhodes College - 82%
Denison University - 82%
Whitman College - 81%
Centre College - 80%
Hillsdale College - 79%
Wheaton College - 77%
Hampshire College - 75%
Juanita College - 74%
Kalamazoo College - 73%
Beloit College - 72%
Clark University - 71%
The College of Wooster - 70%
Hope College - 70%
St. John’s College - 70%
Cornell College - 68%
Knox College - 68%
Southwestern University - 67%
Willamette University - 67%
Puget Sound - 66%
Austin College - 66%
Wabash College - 66%
Lawrence University 66%
Allegheny College - 66%
Bard College - 66%
Hendrix College - 66%
St. Mary’s College - 65%
Agnes Scott College - 64%
Birmingham Southern - 63%
Goucher College - 63%
Eckerd College - 63%
Reed College - 61%
Ohio Wesleyan College - 61%
Millsaps College - 60%
McDaniel College - 59%
Earlham College - 58%
St. John’s College New Mexico - 54%
University of Lynchburg - 52%
New College of Florida - 52%
Guilford College - 51%
Hiram College - 51%
Emory and Henry College - 48%
Evergreen State - 42%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of CTCL schools, Lynchburg has a beautiful campus and has recently constructed some new buildings. They seem to be gaining momentum with strong merit awards and pathway programs for their DPT and PA grad programs.

And a 56 percent graduation rate. No thanks.

Which is above the national average for private colleges and universities. CTCL schools generally graduate above national average.

Wrong. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40

That link references SIX YEAR graduation rates. The average four year graduation rate at private colleges is 52%. So yes Lynchburg, with a 56% four year graduation rate, is above the national average. I’m sorry that whatever university you attend did not teach you how to read or analyze.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of CTCL schools, Lynchburg has a beautiful campus and has recently constructed some new buildings. They seem to be gaining momentum with strong merit awards and pathway programs for their DPT and PA grad programs.

And a 56 percent graduation rate. No thanks.

Which is above the national average for private colleges and universities. CTCL schools generally graduate above national average.

Wrong. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40

That link references SIX YEAR graduation rates. The average four year graduation rate at private colleges is 52%. So yes Lynchburg, with a 56% four year graduation rate, is above the national average. I’m sorry that whatever university you attend did not teach you how to read or analyze.

US News says it's 52, not 56 percent. So, yea, it's only average. Not special. CTCL schools are not special. Half the kids don't graduate in four years!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Colleges that Change Lives. It's a book about overpriced second tier colleges for B students for parents who wish their kids could get into top schools but can't. DCUM families drool over the book . . .

OP, instead of believing this nasty post, I suggest you search for other threads on DCUM about CTCL. No need to rehash here what has already been discussed ad nauseum by proponents and opponents of those colleges and the types of students who actually attend them

OP, CTCL schools give very generous merit aid. Get him to study for the SATs. It pays dividends.

OP, CTCL schools are second tier and half their students don't graduate. They're a total scam. Send your kid to a solid Catholic college -- Jesuit if you can -- and they'll actually graduate with a marketable degree and do well. Don't waste your time on second tier liberal arts colleges.

You keep saying that. I do not think the word “half” means what you think it means. I looked it up:
St. Olaf College - 82%
Rhodes College - 82%
Denison University - 82%
Whitman College - 81%
Centre College - 80%
Hillsdale College - 79%
Wheaton College - 77%
Hampshire College - 75%
Juanita College - 74%
Kalamazoo College - 73%
Beloit College - 72%
Clark University - 71%
The College of Wooster - 70%
Hope College - 70%
St. John’s College - 70%
Cornell College - 68%
Knox College - 68%
Southwestern University - 67%
Willamette University - 67%
Puget Sound - 66%
Austin College - 66%
Wabash College - 66%
Lawrence University 66%
Allegheny College - 66%
Bard College - 66%
Hendrix College - 66%
St. Mary’s College - 65%
Agnes Scott College - 64%
Birmingham Southern - 63%
Goucher College - 63%
Eckerd College - 63%
Reed College - 61%
Ohio Wesleyan College - 61%
Millsaps College - 60%
McDaniel College - 59%
Earlham College - 58%
St. John’s College New Mexico - 54%
University of Lynchburg - 52%
New College of Florida - 52%
Guilford College - 51%
Hiram College - 51%
Emory and Henry College - 48%
Evergreen State - 42%

Thanks for posting all the numbers so folks can see just how low the overall graduation rates are. Here are the Catholic schools I mentioned for comparison:

Providence: 86 percent
Loyola Baltimore: 83 percent
Fairfield: 80 percent
Scranton: 80 percent
St Joe's: 73 percent

I'd go Jesuit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Check out Colleges that Change Lives. It's a book about overpriced second tier colleges for B students for parents who wish their kids could get into top schools but can't. DCUM families drool over the book . . .

OP, instead of believing this nasty post, I suggest you search for other threads on DCUM about CTCL. No need to rehash here what has already been discussed ad nauseum by proponents and opponents of those colleges and the types of students who actually attend them

OP, CTCL schools give very generous merit aid. Get him to study for the SATs. It pays dividends.

OP, CTCL schools are second tier and half their students don't graduate. They're a total scam. Send your kid to a solid Catholic college -- Jesuit if you can -- and they'll actually graduate with a marketable degree and do well. Don't waste your time on second tier liberal arts colleges.

You keep saying that. I do not think the word “half” means what you think it means. I looked it up:
St. Olaf College - 82%
Rhodes College - 82%
Denison University - 82%
Whitman College - 81%
Centre College - 80%
Hillsdale College - 79%
Wheaton College - 77%
Hampshire College - 75%
Juanita College - 74%
Kalamazoo College - 73%
Beloit College - 72%
Clark University - 71%
The College of Wooster - 70%
Hope College - 70%
St. John’s College - 70%
Cornell College - 68%
Knox College - 68%
Southwestern University - 67%
Willamette University - 67%
Puget Sound - 66%
Austin College - 66%
Wabash College - 66%
Lawrence University 66%
Allegheny College - 66%
Bard College - 66%
Hendrix College - 66%
St. Mary’s College - 65%
Agnes Scott College - 64%
Birmingham Southern - 63%
Goucher College - 63%
Eckerd College - 63%
Reed College - 61%
Ohio Wesleyan College - 61%
Millsaps College - 60%
McDaniel College - 59%
Earlham College - 58%
St. John’s College New Mexico - 54%
University of Lynchburg - 52%
New College of Florida - 52%
Guilford College - 51%
Hiram College - 51%
Emory and Henry College - 48%
Evergreen State - 42%

Thanks for posting all the numbers so folks can see just how low the overall graduation rates are. Here are the Catholic schools I mentioned for comparison:

Providence: 86 percent
Loyola Baltimore: 83 percent
Fairfield: 80 percent
Scranton: 80 percent
St Joe's: 73 percent

I'd go Jesuit

Is this comparing 4 year rates to 6 year graduation rates? Some schools calculate a 5 year rate. Please specify to ensure this is a fair comparison.

[Anonymous]

Can you two take it outside?

[Anonymous]

W&L shocked the heck outta me with how academically focused it is. I always thought more preppy, well-off and fun-loving types attended the school. It is definitely a reach school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Check out Colleges that Change Lives. It's a book about overpriced second tier colleges for B students for parents who wish their kids could get into top schools but can't. DCUM families drool over the book . . .

OP, instead of believing this nasty post, I suggest you search for other threads on DCUM about CTCL. No need to rehash here what has already been discussed ad nauseum by proponents and opponents of those colleges and the types of students who actually attend them

OP, CTCL schools give very generous merit aid. Get him to study for the SATs. It pays dividends.

OP, CTCL schools are second tier and half their students don't graduate. They're a total scam. Send your kid to a solid Catholic college -- Jesuit if you can -- and they'll actually graduate with a marketable degree and do well. Don't waste your time on second tier liberal arts colleges.

You keep saying that. I do not think the word “half” means what you think it means. I looked it up:
St. Olaf College - 82%
Rhodes College - 82%
Denison University - 82%
Whitman College - 81%
Centre College - 80%
Hillsdale College - 79%
Wheaton College - 77%
Hampshire College - 75%
Juanita College - 74%
Kalamazoo College - 73%
Beloit College - 72%
Clark University - 71%
The College of Wooster - 70%
Hope College - 70%
St. John’s College - 70%
Cornell College - 68%
Knox College - 68%
Southwestern University - 67%
Willamette University - 67%
Puget Sound - 66%
Austin College - 66%
Wabash College - 66%
Lawrence University 66%
Allegheny College - 66%
Bard College - 66%
Hendrix College - 66%
St. Mary’s College - 65%
Agnes Scott College - 64%
Birmingham Southern - 63%
Goucher College - 63%
Eckerd College - 63%
Reed College - 61%
Ohio Wesleyan College - 61%
Millsaps College - 60%
McDaniel College - 59%
Earlham College - 58%
St. John’s College New Mexico - 54%
University of Lynchburg - 52%
New College of Florida - 52%
Guilford College - 51%
Hiram College - 51%
Emory and Henry College - 48%
Evergreen State - 42%

Thanks for posting all the numbers so folks can see just how low the overall graduation rates are. Here are the Catholic schools I mentioned for comparison:

Providence: 86 percent
Loyola Baltimore: 83 percent
Fairfield: 80 percent
Scranton: 80 percent
St Joe's: 73 percent

I'd go Jesuit

Well since you mention Jesuit, let’s take a look:
St. Peter’s University: 33%?
Canisus: 63%
Regis University: 51%
Loyola Chicago: 67%
Seattle University: 61%
Marquette: 67%
Spring Hill College: 50%
University of Detroit Mercy: 53%

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Loyola New Orleans - 52%
University of San Francisco - 66%
Xavier - 66%