Catholic confirmation: Were you required to "prove" mass attendance?

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a joke? Seriously? I’m not religious so it’s a serious question. I thought churches were supposed to be full of the honest people and it was the rest of us heathens who were apparently dishonest and dishonorable. I can’t even imagine being called a liar by a priest.

It's not that the priest calls people liars, just that they want proof that you're being truthful.

Missing mass is a mortal sin for Catholics, yet many do it and apparently some will even lie about it -- yet another sin.

It is a mortal sin if the person in question chooses not to go and replaces God with other activities. A kid without someone to take them or guide them is not acting with intent by missing mass. I’m always amazed at how many ‘Christians’ seem to forget the many biblical exhortations to not judge others. Frankly your making assumptions about other people, their motivations and worthiness is a grave sin in and of itself. You know what they say about people in glass houses and such!

Doubt very much that pp is Christian. It’s probably the Jew who comes on here constantly to bash Catholics.

This is not "bashing" - this is simply explaining how the church works

I was referring to the pp who claimed the Catholic Church will send the kid to hell because he can’t get to church, or priests are calling people liars, and the other nasty and untrue accusations.

Wait, what? I'm the PP who asked the question about whether this is some sort of joke. And now you're saying that not only is it apparently NOT a joke, but that the priests are apparently not calling people liars AND that I'm making "nasty and untrue accusations"? So now I'm wondering whether THIS is a joke.

If I go to work and say on my timesheet that I arrived at 9am, and my boss says "I don't believe you. Prove it. Show me your punch card." then I see that as the literal definition of someone calling me a liar. What do YOU call it?

And then if I tell someone that I'm upset my boss doesn't believe me and claims that I'm lying on my timesheet, and that I'm looking for a new job because I don't enjoy being called a liar, then you would say that I'm "making nasty and untrue accusations"?

Do you actually know what an untrue accusation is? Or what it means to be nasty? Because if someone is throwing around nasty and untrue accusations here then it seems to be you.

I can't speak for the other people on this thread but I find this behavior (and indeed the thread) to be totally bizarre. And totally not in keeping with what I'd assume about how a church runs.

It’s how you phrase it all that’s nasty, duh. You yourself said you asked if it’s a “joke.” How would you feel if somebody claimed the requirement that a kid attend Hebrew school is a joke? And then you come out with some assertion that priests are flat-out calling people liars. They aren’t, just like a rabbi may be unhappy that your kid isn’t attending Hebrew school regularly, but he isn’t going to come right out and call the kid a “liar.”

Watch your histrionic and abusive language and you won’t get accused of being nasty. This is really a very basic issue of respect.

Actually I was seriously wondering if it was a joke. As in, I’m honestly having trouble believing that this exists in some church somewhere.

And I don’t know who runs a church if not a priest, but I guess I could have said “I can’t even imagine attending a church where the people running the church think I’m dishonest and would think there’s a chance I’m lying if I say I did something so I need to prove it with signatures”.

You’re the one being histrionic and abusive. Actually the practice of “the people who run a church” insisting that people get signatures from priests so they can be included in religious activities is histrionic and abusive. The fact that you can’t see that is really perplexing.

And for the record, I still don’t think I believe that there’s a church somewhere that makes people get signatures proving attendance. So I guess that means I’m calling someone a liar - you should accuse me of that instead.

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^ and for the record, I also wouldn’t believe this behavior from a Jewish church or a Muslim church or a Buddhist temple or anything else. I thought they were all supposed to be nice places for the people who went there. I can’t imagine people attending any kind of place of worship under those conditions.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and for the record, I also wouldn’t believe this behavior from a Jewish church or a Muslim church or a Buddhist temple or anything else. I thought they were all supposed to be nice places for the people who went there. I can’t imagine people attending any kind of place of worship under those conditions.

Do you seriously not think any Jewish/Muslim house of faith isn’t watching, somehow, to see that kids actually fulfill their requirements? That it’s ok to rarely show up and then throw yourself a big party?

I’m not Catholic, but getting your parents to sign a piece of paper seems super-easy and less harsh than actually taking attendance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ and for the record, I also wouldn’t believe this behavior from a Jewish church or a Muslim church or a Buddhist temple or anything else. I thought they were all supposed to be nice places for the people who went there. I can’t imagine people attending any kind of place of worship under those conditions.

Whatever. Stop using language about “jokes” and priests calling people “liars” and you won’t get flack. And is that’s you on the updating religious traditions calling communion “unbelievably disgusting” —and it sure sounds like you—then maybe a class in respect and diversity would help you.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a joke? Seriously? I’m not religious so it’s a serious question. I thought churches were supposed to be full of the honest people and it was the rest of us heathens who were apparently dishonest and dishonorable. I can’t even imagine being called a liar by a priest.

It's not that the priest calls people liars, just that they want proof that you're being truthful.

Missing mass is a mortal sin for Catholics, yet many do it and apparently some will even lie about it -- yet another sin.

It is a mortal sin if the person in question chooses not to go and replaces God with other activities. A kid without someone to take them or guide them is not acting with intent by missing mass. I’m always amazed at how many ‘Christians’ seem to forget the many biblical exhortations to not judge others. Frankly your making assumptions about other people, their motivations and worthiness is a grave sin in and of itself. You know what they say about people in glass houses and such!

Doubt very much that pp is Christian. It’s probably the Jew who comes on here constantly to bash Catholics.

This is not "bashing" - this is simply explaining how the church works

I was referring to the pp who claimed the Catholic Church will send the kid to hell because he can’t get to church, or priests are calling people liars, and the other nasty and untrue accusations.

Wait, what? I'm the PP who asked the question about whether this is some sort of joke. And now you're saying that not only is it apparently NOT a joke, but that the priests are apparently not calling people liars AND that I'm making "nasty and untrue accusations"? So now I'm wondering whether THIS is a joke.

If I go to work and say on my timesheet that I arrived at 9am, and my boss says "I don't believe you. Prove it. Show me your punch card." then I see that as the literal definition of someone calling me a liar. What do YOU call it?

And then if I tell someone that I'm upset my boss doesn't believe me and claims that I'm lying on my timesheet, and that I'm looking for a new job because I don't enjoy being called a liar, then you would say that I'm "making nasty and untrue accusations"?

Do you actually know what an untrue accusation is? Or what it means to be nasty? Because if someone is throwing around nasty and untrue accusations here then it seems to be you.

I can't speak for the other people on this thread but I find this behavior (and indeed the thread) to be totally bizarre. And totally not in keeping with what I'd assume about how a church runs.

It’s how you phrase it all that’s nasty, duh. You yourself said you asked if it’s a “joke.” How would you feel if somebody claimed the requirement that a kid attend Hebrew school is a joke? And then you come out with some assertion that priests are flat-out calling people liars. They aren’t, just like a rabbi may be unhappy that your kid isn’t attending Hebrew school regularly, but he isn’t going to come right out and call the kid a “liar.”

Watch your histrionic and abusive language and you won’t get accused of being nasty. This is really a very basic issue of respect.

Actually I was seriously wondering if it was a joke. As in, I’m honestly having trouble believing that this exists in some church somewhere.

And I don’t know who runs a church if not a priest, but I guess I could have said “I can’t even imagine attending a church where the people running the church think I’m dishonest and would think there’s a chance I’m lying if I say I did something so I need to prove it with signatures”.

You’re the one being histrionic and abusive. Actually the practice of “the people who run a church” insisting that people get signatures from priests so they can be included in religious activities is histrionic and abusive. The fact that you can’t see that is really perplexing.

And for the record, I still don’t think I believe that there’s a church somewhere that makes people get signatures proving attendance. So I guess that means I’m calling someone a liar - you should accuse me of that instead.

So you’re saying rabbis don’t care if kids don’t show up to Hebrew school? Good to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And for the record, I still don’t think I believe that there’s a church somewhere that makes people get signatures proving attendance. So I guess that means I’m calling someone a liar - you should accuse me of that instead.

NP. I’ve seen it firsthand and also heard it from several relatives in different parts of the country. So there...you’re a liar.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and for the record, I also wouldn’t believe this behavior from a Jewish church or a Muslim church or a Buddhist temple or anything else. I thought they were all supposed to be nice places for the people who went there. I can’t imagine people attending any kind of place of worship under those conditions.

Whatever. Stop using language about “jokes” and priests calling people “liars” and you won’t get flack. And is that’s you on the updating religious traditions calling communion “unbelievably disgusting” —and it sure sounds like you—then maybe a class in respect and diversity would help you.

If this is the same pp calling the Catholic celebration “creepy” above on this thread, then get her to diversity training stat.

She’ll be back soon to claim innocence and ignore criticism of her language, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and for the record, I also wouldn’t believe this behavior from a Jewish church or a Muslim church or a Buddhist temple or anything else. I thought they were all supposed to be nice places for the people who went there. I can’t imagine people attending any kind of place of worship under those conditions.

Whatever. Stop using language about “jokes” and priests calling people “liars” and you won’t get flack. And is that’s you on the updating religious traditions calling communion “unbelievably disgusting” —and it sure sounds like you—then maybe a class in respect and diversity would help you.

If this is the same pp calling the Catholic celebration “creepy” above on this thread, then get her to diversity training stat.

She’ll be back soon to claim innocence and ignore criticism of her language, though.

I'm the PP who asked if this whole idea is a joke. This post is my 4th post. I have not posted on other threads. I have no idea who you are all referring to, but it honestly seems like you have some issues on your side that you need to work through.

This has been an eye-opening experience about religious people and the way you treat people, so thanks for that, I guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and for the record, I also wouldn’t believe this behavior from a Jewish church or a Muslim church or a Buddhist temple or anything else. I thought they were all supposed to be nice places for the people who went there. I can’t imagine people attending any kind of place of worship under those conditions.

Whatever. Stop using language about “jokes” and priests calling people “liars” and you won’t get flack. And is that’s you on the updating religious traditions calling communion “unbelievably disgusting” —and it sure sounds like you—then maybe a class in respect and diversity would help you.

If this is the same pp calling the Catholic celebration “creepy” above on this thread, then get her to diversity training stat.

She’ll be back soon to claim innocence and ignore criticism of her language, though.

I'm the PP who asked if this whole idea is a joke. This post is my 4th post. I have not posted on other threads. I have no idea who you are all referring to, but it honestly seems like you have some issues on your side that you need to work through.

This has been an eye-opening experience about religious people and the way you treat people, so thanks for that, I guess.

You come on this thread, you insult people, you lie (the “joke” thing has been in more than 4 posts) and then you blame everybody else.

Impressive track record.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ and for the record, I also wouldn’t believe this behavior from a Jewish church or a Muslim church or a Buddhist temple or anything else. I thought they were all supposed to be nice places for the people who went there. I can’t imagine people attending any kind of place of worship under those conditions.

I am pretty sure that Muslims and Jews who value religious education don’t attend “Jewish church” or “Muslim church”.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and for the record, I also wouldn’t believe this behavior from a Jewish church or a Muslim church or a Buddhist temple or anything else. I thought they were all supposed to be nice places for the people who went there. I can’t imagine people attending any kind of place of worship under those conditions.

Whatever. Stop using language about “jokes” and priests calling people “liars” and you won’t get flack. And is that’s you on the updating religious traditions calling communion “unbelievably disgusting” —and it sure sounds like you—then maybe a class in respect and diversity would help you.

If this is the same pp calling the Catholic celebration “creepy” above on this thread, then get her to diversity training stat.

She’ll be back soon to claim innocence and ignore criticism of her language, though.

I'm the PP who asked if this whole idea is a joke. This post is my 4th post. I have not posted on other threads. I have no idea who you are all referring to, but it honestly seems like you have some issues on your side that you need to work through.

This has been an eye-opening experience about religious people and the way you treat people, so thanks for that, I guess.

You come on this thread, you insult people, you lie (the “joke” thing has been in more than 4 posts) and then you blame everybody else.

Impressive track record.

I've insulted nobody and if others have also thought it must be a joke that a priest is running around checking signatures to make sure people are praying enough then maybe it's because it sounds completely incredible.

You're completely unhinged. This is my fifth and final post in this strange forum. I hope you find whatever peace you're looking for at your church.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and for the record, I also wouldn’t believe this behavior from a Jewish church or a Muslim church or a Buddhist temple or anything else. I thought they were all supposed to be nice places for the people who went there. I can’t imagine people attending any kind of place of worship under those conditions.

Whatever. Stop using language about “jokes” and priests calling people “liars” and you won’t get flack. And is that’s you on the updating religious traditions calling communion “unbelievably disgusting” —and it sure sounds like you—then maybe a class in respect and diversity would help you.

If this is the same pp calling the Catholic celebration “creepy” above on this thread, then get her to diversity training stat.

She’ll be back soon to claim innocence and ignore criticism of her language, though.

I'm the PP who asked if this whole idea is a joke. This post is my 4th post. I have not posted on other threads. I have no idea who you are all referring to, but it honestly seems like you have some issues on your side that you need to work through.

This has been an eye-opening experience about religious people and the way you treat people, so thanks for that, I guess.

You come on this thread, you insult people, you lie (the “joke” thing has been in more than 4 posts) and then you blame everybody else.

Impressive track record.

I've insulted nobody and if others have also thought it must be a joke that a priest is running around checking signatures to make sure people are praying enough then maybe it's because it sounds completely incredible.

You're completely unhinged. This is my fifth and final post in this strange forum. I hope you find whatever peace you're looking for at your church.

You’re completely unable to take responsibility for your own actions, aren’t you? You accused priests of calling people liars and said an innocuous paper thing was a “joke.” And here you are blaming everybody else.

Thanks for teaching us how not to adult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How would your home parish even know if you forged the signature of the priest on the bulletin from the other church?

Surely you see the issue with this.

It's a mortal sin, but so is not attending mass for most other reasons (e.g., excepting health issues).

When I was a kid decades ago, if you are meat on Friday you went to hell. If your parents were divorced, straight to hell. Depending on what you confessed in the confessional. priest might open your door to identify you. I can't tell you how terrified that my parents were going to hell. I was a wreck remembering I ate a tiny piece of sausage. I was only 9-years ago.

So when I hear PP say "it's a mortal sin", it takes me back to a dictatorial time where fear was the way to control. I and family belong to a non-denomination church. Good for those whose Catholic church experience is what they need. I can never go back.

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*I was only 9 years old*

[Anonymous]

“I and family belong to a non-denomination church. Good for those whose Catholic church experience is what they need. I can never go back.”

Same but I’m Protestant, now. OP, show me where Jesus requires these ridiculous hoops through which to jump, to follow him.