ED - Carnage at the Big 3

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aw, poor generic privileged white kids.

There isn’t anything generic about these children. You, on the other hand, are as basic as could be.

How are they not generic? What do they bring to the table that others don’t? Good SAT scores? A laundry list of extracurricular? Generic.

Mostly the size of the pool, right?

Within their cohort, they are generic.

Compared to your kids, they are extraordinary.

Big 3 parents, ladies and gentlemen!
- Big3 grad going public largely because the environment consists of people like this

yeah - because there's no one like this at a wealthy public school in this area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think folks are hopeful that the deferrals will magically turn into acceptances in the spring. It is highly unlikely given the very high numbers of early applicants deferred and the likely numbers of regular decision. Everyone has high stats and great ECs because we all think we have cracked the code on college admissions. There just aren’t enough spots. What was once unusually impressive is the norm now. We’ve given our kids every opportunity and they’ve pushed harder and harder, but there may never be a golden ticket at the end of this difficult journey. I am hugging my kids and making it clear that I was wrong to have such high expectations for college admissions. Their school is not doing enough to stay relevant in the college admissions world and when the word gets out, there are going to be a lot of disappointed families.

What exactly do you want your school to do to stay relevant with top colleges? Why blame the school? Is the school providing a good education? That is all they need to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think folks are hopeful that the deferrals will magically turn into acceptances in the spring. It is highly unlikely given the very high numbers of early applicants deferred and the likely numbers of regular decision. Everyone has high stats and great ECs because we all think we have cracked the code on college admissions. There just aren’t enough spots. What was once unusually impressive is the norm now. We’ve given our kids every opportunity and they’ve pushed harder and harder, but there may never be a golden ticket at the end of this difficult journey. I am hugging my kids and making it clear that I was wrong to have such high expectations for college admissions. Their school is not doing enough to stay relevant in the college admissions world and when the word gets out, there are going to be a lot of disappointed families.

What exactly do you want your school to do to stay relevant with top colleges? Why blame the school? Is the school providing a good education? That is all they need to do.

Exactly. Pretty sure every elite private secondary school tells parents that if you are choosing it to secure a spot at an elite college, you are choosing it for the wrong reason. This is NOT about you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think folks are hopeful that the deferrals will magically turn into acceptances in the spring. It is highly unlikely given the very high numbers of early applicants deferred and the likely numbers of regular decision. Everyone has high stats and great ECs because we all think we have cracked the code on college admissions. There just aren’t enough spots. What was once unusually impressive is the norm now. We’ve given our kids every opportunity and they’ve pushed harder and harder, but there may never be a golden ticket at the end of this difficult journey. I am hugging my kids and making it clear that I was wrong to have such high expectations for college admissions. Their school is not doing enough to stay relevant in the college admissions world and when the word gets out, there are going to be a lot of disappointed families.

What exactly do you want your school to do to stay relevant with top colleges? Why blame the school? Is the school providing a good education? That is all they need to do.

what i don't understand is why you had such high expectations/hopes in the first place AND conveyed them to your child. have you been living under a rock for the past 5 years? admissions have been brutal for quite a few years. Doesn't everyone know this? I have a kid at a big 3 and one at a top public and 90%+ of the elite college acceptances at either school are 1)minority, 2) athletic recruits 3)legacy. Or 2/3 or 3/3. The is no chance that my white, A student, big3, non-athlete, non-legacy kid is going to get into an Ivy in 2 years. I know it. She knows it. Everyone with their head out of the sand knows it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aw, poor generic privileged white kids.

There isn’t anything generic about these children. You, on the other hand, are as basic as could be.

How are they not generic? What do they bring to the table that others don’t? Good SAT scores? A laundry list of extracurricular? Generic.

Mostly the size of the pool, right?

Within their cohort, they are generic.

Compared to your kids, they are extraordinary.

Big 3 parents, ladies and gentlemen!
- Big3 grad going public largely because the environment consists of people like this

yeah - because there's no one like this at a wealthy public school in this area.

If you don't think the kids and parents at these privates are beyond elitist, I have no words.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aw, poor generic privileged white kids.

There isn’t anything generic about these children. You, on the other hand, are as basic as could be.

How are they not generic? What do they bring to the table that others don’t? Good SAT scores? A laundry list of extracurricular? Generic.

Mostly the size of the pool, right?

Within their cohort, they are generic.

Compared to your kids, they are extraordinary.

Big 3 parents, ladies and gentlemen!
- Big3 grad going public largely because the environment consists of people like this

yeah - because there's no one like this at a wealthy public school in this area.

If you don't think the kids and parents at these privates are beyond elitist, I have no words.

not saying that parents at private schools in this area aren't elitist, just that it's not limited to these private schools. go to Whitman/Churchill/Langley and take a look at those parents. you're going to say with a straight face that THESE 1% parents aren't elitist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think folks are hopeful that the deferrals will magically turn into acceptances in the spring. It is highly unlikely given the very high numbers of early applicants deferred and the likely numbers of regular decision. Everyone has high stats and great ECs because we all think we have cracked the code on college admissions. There just aren’t enough spots. What was once unusually impressive is the norm now. We’ve given our kids every opportunity and they’ve pushed harder and harder, but there may never be a golden ticket at the end of this difficult journey. I am hugging my kids and making it clear that I was wrong to have such high expectations for college admissions. Their school is not doing enough to stay relevant in the college admissions world and when the word gets out, there are going to be a lot of disappointed families.

What exactly do you want your school to do to stay relevant with top colleges? Why blame the school? Is the school providing a good education? That is all they need to do.

what i don't understand is why you had such high expectations/hopes in the first place AND conveyed them to your child. have you been living under a rock for the past 5 years? admissions have been brutal for quite a few years. Doesn't everyone know this? I have a kid at a big 3 and one at a top public and 90%+ of the elite college acceptances at either school are 1)minority, 2) athletic recruits 3)legacy. Or 2/3 or 3/3. The is no chance that my white, A student, big3, non-athlete, non-legacy kid is going to get into an Ivy in 2 years. I know it. She knows it. Everyone with their head out of the sand knows it.

Relax. We all know incredibly successful happy people that managed to become so without enrolling in Harvard. Carry on and stop putting more importance on a college name then is warranted. It is important but not worth the current extreme level of angst.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if your smart, motivated, engaged child didn't getting into the elite schools of his or her choice, they will presumably go to another good but not quite as elite school, with all the other smart, motivated, engaged kids who didn't get into Harvard or wherever. They will be taught by all the professors who were top notch scholars but not quite good enough to get a position at those top 10 schools.

Am I getting this right?

Here's the thing. If they don't get into a 1-20, they will be going to those 20-50 ranked schools with a large merit scholarship OR they will be going to a state school with a full merit scholarship. So either I'm footing the bill and my kid is at a 1-20, or someone else is at a 20-50. It's a win-win for my family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The game is up. The bill has come due. Unless you were URM, Questbridge, RA or Alumni you weren’t getting in. Exception were perfect test scores and GPA. Ugly ugly year. Think the scandal from last year changed the game. Normal balanced kids aren’t getting in - don’t kid yourself.
Was a horrible year at STA, Sidwell, NCS and GDS.

Doesn't this pretty much sum up who is getting into the most elite colleges, especially ED/SCEA, regardless of where they went to high school?

URM
Questbridge
Recruited Athlete
Legacy
1600s + 4.0 UW

"Normal balanced" kids are a dime a dozen. And the normal, balanced kids who attend a Big 3 aren't going to be at the top of their class, which makes it even more of a long shot.

Yes, this is why the majority of kids in elite colleges are URMs and Questbridge. No more room for 'normal, balanced kids' which is your way of saying white kids in Trump speak.

Please tell me this is sarcasm. Because the number of first-gen and URMs at top 10 universities and colleges is small https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html

I read it as sarcasm.
I always wonder at people who complain about URMs stealing their kids' spots. If they were right, there would be 100% of URMs at these Ivy league schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:URM = Unser represented minority
Big 3 - refers to 3 supposed best DC private schools. Usually defined as St Albany’s, GDS, Natl Cathedral School and Sidwell (yes that is 4 bc no one agrees on which are the 3)

St Albany’s

[Anonymous]

I do alumni interviews for HYPS in MCPS. I can assure everyone that none of the URM kids I have ever interviewed has ever been accepted. The only kids who have been accepted are the children of Asian immigrants who have national level awards/recognition in some field (plus the usual fantastic grades/scores, ECs, leadership, etc.). I should note that I have never interviewed any white kids, kids of the rich and famous, legacies, or athletes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Questbrige and URM are basically a quota set aside for underachieving applicants.

Not the ones I know - high 1500s, weighted 4.89+, dozens of APs. Good luck thinking they bumped your child for unfair reasons.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The game is up. The bill has come due. Unless you were URM, Questbridge, RA or Alumni you weren’t getting in. Exception were perfect test scores and GPA. Ugly ugly year. Think the scandal from last year changed the game. Normal balanced kids aren’t getting in - don’t kid yourself.
Was a horrible year at STA, Sidwell, NCS and GDS.

Doesn't this pretty much sum up who is getting into the most elite colleges, especially ED/SCEA, regardless of where they went to high school?

URM
Questbridge
Recruited Athlete
Legacy
1600s + 4.0 UW

"Normal balanced" kids are a dime a dozen. And the normal, balanced kids who attend a Big 3 aren't going to be at the top of their class, which makes it even more of a long shot.

Yes, this is why the majority of kids in elite colleges are URMs and Questbridge. No more room for 'normal, balanced kids' which is your way of saying white kids in Trump speak.

Please tell me this is sarcasm. Because the number of first-gen and URMs at top 10 universities and colleges is small https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html

I read it as sarcasm.
I always wonder at people who complain about URMs stealing their kids' spots. If they were right, there would be 100% of URMs at these Ivy league schools.

Agreed, lots of unwarranted vitriol against "URMs."

"Even after decades of affirmative action, black and Hispanic students are more underrepresented at the nation’s top colleges and universities than they were 35 years ago, according to a New York Times analysis.

The share of black freshmen at elite schools is virtually unchanged since 1980. Black students are just 6 percent of freshmen but 15 percent of college-age Americans, as the chart below shows.

More Hispanics are attending elite schools, but the increase has not kept up with the huge growth of young Hispanics in the United States, so the gap between students and the college-age population has widened."

[Anonymous]

I’d like to thank the poster for providing the article from the NYT. I have read several other articles that back up the facts stated in the article. We need to stop making assumptions without doing research about minority admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aw, poor generic privileged white kids.

There isn’t anything generic about these children. You, on the other hand, are as basic as could be.

How are they not generic? What do they bring to the table that others don’t? Good SAT scores? A laundry list of extracurricular? Generic.

Mostly the size of the pool, right?

Within their cohort, they are generic.

Compared to your kids, they are extraordinary.

Big 3 parents, ladies and gentlemen!
- Big3 grad going public largely because the environment consists of people like this

yeah - because there's no one like this at a wealthy public school in this area.

If you don't think the kids and parents at these privates are beyond elitist, I have no words.

not saying that parents at private schools in this area aren't elitist, just that it's not limited to these private schools. go to Whitman/Churchill/Langley and take a look at those parents. you're going to say with a straight face that THESE 1% parents aren't elitist?

I don't think the majority of them would say, as PP did,

"Compared to your kids, they are extraordinary"