Whitman being evacuated

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Anonymous wrote:Wimps at Whitman. Oceanside NY had a 30 person knife fight yesterday, two stabbed and one critical condition and school went in. Send the frying pan kid to NY they would stab him

Fight was not on school grounds. It was after school at a strip mall a block away.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/09/16/cops-stabbing-outside-oceanside-pizzeria-puts-1-in-hospital/

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Anonymous wrote:My senior ended up taking a freshman class because he thought he could work out a schedule where he didn't need a certain elective. Ended up having classes with freshman his senior year... i think it was an art credit.

Frankly I don't like the 4 year high school system precisely for this reason. There is a world of difference between 14 and 18. I have never liked the fact that you have 14 year old girls socializing with 18 year old men. A 7-9 Junior high would be better. That extra year of maturation would make a big difference.

"18 year old men", indeed.

How do you feel about 14 year old boys socializing with 18 year old women?

Jack Smith wants students staying in high school until 21.

The law provides for students with special needs to be educated until 21.

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Anonymous wrote:Why a 19 year old from a group home is in our public school?

Diversity

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Anonymous wrote:Why a 19 year old from a group home is in our public school?

Diversity

No. The same reason why my kid is in our public school: they reside within the school’s boundaries.

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I believe that the real answer is to arm every teacher with a frying pan. Schools are a soft target for mass head clankers. Banning frying pans will simply lead to law abiding citizens not being able to cook breakfast in the morning for their children. Do you want the children to starve?

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Anonymous wrote:My senior ended up taking a freshman class because he thought he could work out a schedule where he didn't need a certain elective. Ended up having classes with freshman his senior year... i think it was an art credit.

Frankly I don't like the 4 year high school system precisely for this reason. There is a world of difference between 14 and 18. I have never liked the fact that you have 14 year old girls socializing with 18 year old men. A 7-9 Junior high would be better. That extra year of maturation would make a big difference.

"18 year old men", indeed.

How do you feel about 14 year old boys socializing with 18 year old women?

Jack Smith wants students staying in high school until 21.

The law provides for students with special needs to be educated until 21.

Wrong issue. Jack Smith wants all students to be able to stay in until 21. He wants the drops out to stay in school until 21. Catch up.

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The word around school is that the victim said something racist to the attacker the week before. Obviously that doesn't make it less awful. When we teach kids about why you shouldn't be racist, it might help to tell the really determined ones that if nothing else they should shut up so they don't get beaten up.

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Anonymous wrote:The word around school is that the victim said something racist to the attacker the week before. Obviously that doesn't make it less awful. When we teach kids about why you shouldn't be racist, it might help to tell the really determined ones that if nothing else they should shut up so they don't get beaten up.

Victim blaming.

Should we tell women not to dress provocatively or it's their fault if they're raped?

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Anonymous wrote:The word around school is that the victim said something racist to the attacker the week before. Obviously that doesn't make it less awful. When we teach kids about why you shouldn't be racist, it might help to tell the really determined ones that if nothing else they should shut up so they don't get beaten up.

Victim blaming.

Should we tell women not to dress provocatively or it's their fault if they're raped?

Seriously, huh???, I grew up in Bethesda, my kids went to Whitman ( very recently)and we have many friends that still have kids at Whitman. There is a pretty strong racial issue in the school and with some parents. Tell you a quick story , I'm half black but don't look it. There were many times that certain words from parents and students were a bit insensitive at parties, on campus, until (oops) someone found out my racial background and the talk seemed to stop, at least around me...you are stupid if you don't think it is there and happens often.

I hate what you right about the women dressing provocatively, a much different issue and of course women don't deserve it, that is just a stupid correlation.

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Anonymous wrote:The word around school is that the victim said something racist to the attacker the week before. Obviously that doesn't make it less awful. When we teach kids about why you shouldn't be racist, it might help to tell the really determined ones that if nothing else they should shut up so they don't get beaten up.

Victim blaming.

Should we tell women not to dress provocatively or it's their fault if they're raped?

False equivalency. Dressing provocatively is not the same as saying something racist.

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Good luck with that.

Parents at Rockville HS tried to get this message across but were thoroughly shut down by MCPS. You’re not allowed to question why it’s a bad idea to have adult students mixed in with children because it makes you a racist jerk.

There is nothing miraculous that happens on the day of the 18th birthday that makes the person who was a child yesterday an adult today other than they are one day older.

Then why are there laws that are based on age? Do you propose that they are all useless?

What makes an 18year old suddenly able to vote? What makes him suddenly eligible for the draft?

My kid will become an adult halfway through high school senior year. I guess they should kick my kid out when that happens. No adults mixed in with children.

Mine will become an adult less than a month into his senior year (September birthday). I guess he should be kicked out too. Don’t want the big bad adult fraternizing with kiddos.

Do you mean your kid will be 19 next months? Will He be in the same classroom with 15 years old?

Uhh, no. 18. 18=adult, right?

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Anonymous wrote:The word around school is that the victim said something racist to the attacker the week before. Obviously that doesn't make it less awful. When we teach kids about why you shouldn't be racist, it might help to tell the really determined ones that if nothing else they should shut up so they don't get beaten up.

Victim blaming.

Should we tell women not to dress provocatively or it's their fault if they're raped?

False equivalency. Dressing provocatively is not the same as saying something racist.

Violence is never the correct response to speech. Fight speech with more speech.

This student attacked another student and a teacher. I can't believe people are trying to justify this.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I heard, the suspect has been in altercations before.

The overall issue with school violence in MCPS is that they closed down the school for students with behavioral problems (Twain) a couple years ago, to much fanfare. Now, students with issues who are a threat are just shifted around between schools. In the Damascus rape case, the ringleader was on his third high school by that point, since that's all they can do.

There are other alternative schools that MCPS has access to. There's RICA. There's Blair Ewing, although I don't think it's geared for kids with behavioral problems. MCPS needs to do a better job of identifying the kids' needs and sending them to the appropriate schools. Maybe they can even expel a kid from MCPS and use that money to send the kid to a private school like Ridge or Foundations. If MCPS doesn't want to reopen the alternative schools, they should at least do something and not let the kids devolve into WWE in the regular high schools. The BOE has been dropping the ball for years, neglecting money and resources toward behavioral problems (closing Twain). The recent MCPS behavioral incidents in the news are not normal (Richard Montgomery HS hallway sex in 2014, Damascus HS football team, Rockville HS sex in bathroom, now Whitman frying pan). BOE needs to get their heads out of their sand and do something, anything. I get that they want to close the achievement gap, but they can walk and chew gum at the same time right?

You clearly have no understanding of the legal requirements of the special ed process or the nature of these private placements. You talk as if it's just a matter of MCPS assigning problem students to the right schools. It has nothing to do with the BOE. RICA, Ridge, Lourie Center, Pathways, Jefferson, Foundation, etc. are only for kids with IEPs. They have a right under federal law to be in the least restrictive environment. It's very often not until you have an incident like this frying pan attack that you have the evidence you need to demonstrate that a more restrictive placement is warranted. The IEP team isn't clairvoyant. And placing a kid in a 100% special education school is not a simple decision or an easy process--it's months of jumping through hoops, assessments, data collection, etc. and these private schools are not part of MCPS and can reject kids they don't think are a good fit. And they are ludicrously expensive. Blair Ewing is an alternative placement for kids who have been expelled, meaning you actually have to have done something terrible first to get there.

And that's assuming the parents are even on board. MCPS can try its best but parents can wreak havoc on the process. Getting a kid an IEP for Emotional Disability is already difficult because it's widely regarded as the third rail of special ed codes and many parents will do anything they can to avoid it or deny it, even if it's appropriate. Hence, the classrooms often end up filled with FARMS or minority kids because the wealthier parents hire lawyers and advocates to do gymnastics to avoid these placements, which MCPS is rightfully concerned about. Nobody wants to be in the ED classrooms in a comprehensive school, let alone be placed in RICA or Foundation unless the situation is absolutely desperate. Nobody wants their kid to be one of "those" kids (same with Intellectual Disability, sadly). With the Damascus rapist ringleader, all of MCPS's efforts to give him special ed and change his placement were stymied by his mother, who was in total denial of her son's issues and refused consent for services, which MCPS can do absolutely nothing about. Only when he did something truly horrible and was in legal trouble did she suddenly have an epiphany.

You seem to be advocating some kind of Minority Report world where MCPS magically knows who these problem kids are and forces them into 100% self-contained special ed placements before they've done anything to warrant it. IDEA doesn't work that way.

And this sort of support from the school to try to provide help is rare. Most parents of kids with special needs beg for assistance and appropriate supports but are denied until the kid breaks down at school. The incidence of anxiety/ PTSD in children from abuse and lack of supports is astounding. There really should be some sort of liability for educational malpractice.

Actually, every time we’ve tried to provide more support and advocated for a different placement for students who REALLY need it, we can’t get the parents to return phone calls or attend the meetings. We currently have a student who elopes up to 5 times per day, hits staff members and has screaming fits multiple times per day and we’ve had to have a staff member one on one with him, which means that resources are taken from others in order to make that work.

We would like to provide that support for him officially but that requires data collection and many meetings. The parent will not take phone calls and will not respond to meeting requests. This significantly delays the process to get him the services and resources he needs. This has been the pattern with almost every student with these behavioral issues. So staff members continue to be hit and resources that other kids should also have access to are being used for just this one child. —teacher

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Anonymous wrote:The word around school is that the victim said something racist to the attacker the week before. Obviously that doesn't make it less awful. When we teach kids about why you shouldn't be racist, it might help to tell the really determined ones that if nothing else they should shut up so they don't get beaten up.

Victim blaming.

Should we tell women not to dress provocatively or it's their fault if they're raped?

False equivalency. Dressing provocatively is not the same as saying something racist.

Violence is never the correct response to speech. Fight speech with more speech.

This student attacked another student and a teacher. I can't believe people are trying to justify this.

Woah, buddy. I'm not justifying it, just giving more information. I did point out the reality that when you say something racist to someone, you cannot predict how they will respond and it is probably best to just not say something racist. Using violence is wrong, but that doesn't mean that these kids aren't going to live in a world where violence exists.

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Anonymous wrote:A student apparently attacked another student https://twitter.com/abc7kevin/status/1173622721856643073?s=21

Why is it no one on this thread looks at the subject line and has said " why don't people wait until they know the story until they report it" . What does that say about us?