Overcrowding at Wilson
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Anonymous
If I agree to take the time to show you the study, will you agree that it’s a good idea? Otherwise, I’m not wasting my time. |
Anonymous
I don’t agree with this at all. The parent community in AU Park actively tries to keep Wilson admin accountable to some extent. Roosevelt is not comparable because DCPS is a dysfunctional mess and DCPS folk don’t do there job properly. The teacher hiring process is a joke. Ask any teacher about DCPS HR and they will tell you a few choice words. There are many unqualified teachers in the system including some at Wilson. Most AP classes in DCPS schools don’t even cover AP material which is why AP scores are horrendous across DC. Yet, DCPS likes to brag about how many AP classes they offer at every school. Wilson is an ok school primarily because it has a small base of engaged and informed parents. Take that away and Wilson will be no better than Eastern or Roosevelt or Coolidge |
Anonymous
First, I aware of studies that say it is not harmful to the high SES student, but I have never heard of a study that says it is beneficial for a high SES student to commute to a low SES high school. (And the former are questionable.) So I would love to see one of the studies to which you referred. Nonetheless, it wouldn’t change my view. It seems if it is beneficial to everyone to commingle Wilson, Roosevelt, and Coolidge students, then it would be a social injustice not to intermingle Roosevelt, Coolidge, Ballou, and Anacostia instead. |
Anonymous
No harm in test scores + diversity that improves one’s world view = beneficial. No? |
Anonymous
Well, yes and no. When a school building is first built, they will set a capacity number based on the number of learning spaces/classrooms and the union-based/best practices ideal number of student per learning space. That is the number the building is "designed to accommodate," which is different from fire code capacity, which is different from how many they will happily squeeze in there. |
Anonymous
Depends. How's the social emotional? Diversity and test scores can be fine, but a kid can be not fine. You can't boil everything down to test scores. |
Anonymous
Whether the diversity in that particular scenario “improves one’s world view” is a hope, not a fact. The high SES kid may already be exposed to plenty of diversity in his life (school or otherwise); are there diminishing returns? Meanwhile, exposure to diversity can backfire if the experience isn’t positive. But in any event, the studies look at academic outcomes, not at “improving one’s view” (nor at the negatives of commuting). Substituting “beneficial” for “not harmful” is an unsubstantiated leap. |
Anonymous
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I’d start with this article. Shows what they’re doing with Chicago being 85% low income. You can tell that’s where DC is moving towards. I suspect all these re-zoner advocates are going to be in for a rude awakening in 3-5 years. Now is the time to buy in Montgomery County!
“research shows that middle-class students tend to do as well academically in economically mixed schools. But more than that, there's emerging research to suggest that, indeed, middle-class students benefit from both economic and racial diversity.” https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/03/16/515788673/try-this-one-trick-to-improve-student-outcomes https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/19/446085513/the-evidence-that-white-children-benefit-from-integrated-schools https://tcf.org/content/facts/the-benefits-of-socioeconomically-and-racially-integrated-schools-and-classrooms/?session=1 https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ995900.pdf |
Anonymous
I don't think they even looked at square footage, just existing enrollment. It's vaper math. |
Anonymous
It lives! Back from the undead, the idea that cannot be killed no matter how many times a stake is driven through its heart: choice sets! Yes, they way to keep kids in the system is to confuse their parents and hold out false hope about what school their kids are going to go to. Nothing about choice sets increases the number of seats at high-performing schools, it just muddies the waters. |
Anonymous
But Wilson is already the type of income-diverse and racially-diverse school that Kahlenberg is arguing for. His solution for including more and more people in the integrated schools is by creating more Wilsons and by slowly bringing more middle-class families back into the system. Blowing up Wilson by going all-lottery is not consistent with Kahlenberg’s prescriptions. |
Anonymous
If there are 1791 students at a school built to accommodate 1300, then it cannot be argued that the school is NOT overcrowded, at least though the lens of the architects' intent. However, I pulled up Public School Review's "High School Profile," and it says that the student-teacher ratio is 14:1, and if that's true, then at least from my subjective perspective, the attention students are getting wouldn't seem so bad. HOWEVER, yet again, the same site says that this year's 9th-grade class is composed of 608 students, which is AT LEAST 150 MORE students than the prior 3 years. If that increase keeps up, I don't see how anyone's subjective view could result in a conclusion OTHER than, indeed, Woodrow Wilson High School is either presently overcrowded or on track to be very, very overcrowded as soon as next year. Dramatically overcrowded, even. Anyone care to disagree? The source of the information is here: https://www.publicschoolreview.com/wilson-high-school-profile/20016 |
Anonymous
You are in deep deep denial if you think Wilson is going to stay 30% black, 20% Hispanic, and 20% low income in even 4 years. As is, the only way minority or low income students (outside of the handful at WOTP feeder schools) get to Wilson is Hardy, Adams, Shepherd, and Bancroft. Most here are advocated why Bancroft and Shepherd should go away and we all know Hardy is changing rapidly to eliminate that pipeline. If things continue the way they are, and if Shepherd and Bancroft get re-zones, Wilson would be richer and whiter than any of the MoCo HSs. We’re talking 5% low income (maybe) and 80-85% white. |
Anonymous
If you mean the math was done by weed pipe "vapers," then I would agree with you. |
Anonymous
The only way Wilson approaches anywhere near 80–85% white is if Janney is the only feeder. 60-65% white is conceivable. Income diversity is a different matter. Wilson feeders have a low percentage of economically disadvantaged students. One question, though: How does DCPS definition of economically disadvantaged students compare to Kahlenberg’s low-income? Is it the same? |