US News 2020 rankings

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?

Because Stanford lags behind the schools ahead for the faculty resources and alumni giving component.

Both of these are east-coast/other region favoring, given alumni traditions for donating funds and the cost of leaving penalty against California schools for faculty salaries.

Add +1 to +3 for most California schools and you'll have a more accurate ranking.

USNWR doesn't really matter to Stanford. Regardless of what USNWR says, Stanford is at top level in prestige with Harvard (and MIT in tech).

Not that it would happen but they’d sure care if they started to really tank. As silly as it all is the perception of excellence matters to a whole lot of people.

I think the USNWR reputation would go before Stanford. While Princeton is a great school and has been top ranked for 8 years or so, I don't know of anyone who really thinks it has overtaken Harvard at the pinnacle of the Ivy League. I'm sure cross-admit choices would show that.

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First time for Elon in the National Rankings.


#84 in National Universities (tie)
#2 in Best Undergraduate Teaching
#11 in Most Innovative Schools
#2 in First-Year Experiences
#1 in Learning Communities
#5 in Senior Capstone
#2 in Service Learning
#4 in Co-ops/Internships
#10 in Writing in the Disciplines (tie)
#1 in Study Abroad
#4 in Undergraduate Research/Creative Projects
#370 in Top Performers on Social Mobility (tie)


Santa Clara also made the move into the National Ramkings, appearing at #54.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?

Because Stanford lags behind the schools ahead for the faculty resources and alumni giving component.

Both of these are east-coast/other region favoring, given alumni traditions for donating funds and the cost of leaving penalty against California schools for faculty salaries.

Add +1 to +3 for most California schools and you'll have a more accurate ranking.

USNWR doesn't really matter to Stanford. Regardless of what USNWR says, Stanford is at top level in prestige with Harvard (and MIT in tech).

Not that it would happen but they’d sure care if they started to really tank. As silly as it all is the perception of excellence matters to a whole lot of people.

I think the USNWR reputation would go before Stanford. While Princeton is a great school and has been top ranked for 8 years or so, I don't know of anyone who really thinks it has overtaken Harvard at the pinnacle of the Ivy League. I'm sure cross-admit choices would show that.

Agreed. As far as what impresses the average person on the street (which really what people who care about rankings care about), Harvard is #1 and it will take a seismic shift to shake that. Dropping the H bomb.

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Anonymous wrote:Crickets. Where are the UVA boosters? Congrats to Michigan pushing UVA out.

UVA and W&M really dropped. Big change in just one year.

UVA’s is not what one hopes for, but no big deal. W&M’s, however, is a BIG problem.

W&M is always a "weird" school for rankings because it's grouped with national universities because it is public and has a handful of grad programs, but its aims are more like a SLAC with its focus on undergraduate teaching/research. But as a public institution it doesn't have the flexibility/resources of equivalent private SLACs (e.g., it has to take 2/3 in-state, it can't raise tuition without state approval, it can't make financial changes/adaptations without state approval). Whenever the formulas of rankings change, W&M is a bit more susceptible due to its "weirdness." I think dropping selectivity as a metric, and lessening the relative importance of SAT scores in overall formula is what hurt W&M's ranking here.

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Well, W&M doesn't have a medical school. That really hurts on the "resources" assessment, even thought it may be more or less irrelevant to undergraduate education. Most of the top ranked schools have medical schools and the ones that don't (e.g. Princeton) tend to be super rich. Wake is perhaps the school most similar to W&M but it still has a medical school. I wonder how much that contributes to the difference in ranking because I think in areas like selectivity and reputation, W&M has been at least on the same level.

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Anonymous wrote:What is Washington University in St. Louis?

The best private school in the midwest other than Northwestern, and has been for generations.

Bro? Ever heard of University of Chicago?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?

Because Stanford lags behind the schools ahead for the faculty resources and alumni giving component.

Both of these are east-coast/other region favoring, given alumni traditions for donating funds and the cost of leaving penalty against California schools for faculty salaries.

Add +1 to +3 for most California schools and you'll have a more accurate ranking.

USNWR doesn't really matter to Stanford. Regardless of what USNWR says, Stanford is at top level in prestige with Harvard (and MIT in tech).

Not that it would happen but they’d sure care if they started to really tank. As silly as it all is the perception of excellence matters to a whole lot of people.

I think the USNWR reputation would go before Stanford. While Princeton is a great school and has been top ranked for 8 years or so, I don't know of anyone who really thinks it has overtaken Harvard at the pinnacle of the Ivy League. I'm sure cross-admit choices would show that.

Agreed. As far as what impresses the average person on the street (which really what people who care about rankings care about), Harvard is #1 and it will take a seismic shift to shake that. Dropping the H bomb.

I think there is a slower to change reputation ranking in people's heads. (I think Forbes is probably closer to that.) If USNWR gets too far out of line from that (e.g. drop Stanford to 23) it will seem illegitimate. So they are toeing a line as this is their only cash cow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is Washington University in St. Louis?

The best private school in the midwest other than Northwestern, and has been for generations.

Bro? Ever heard of University of Chicago?

I'm a WUSTL alum and Chicago is definitely a better school. WUSTL is a better student experience, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?

Because Stanford lags behind the schools ahead for the faculty resources and alumni giving component.

Both of these are east-coast/other region favoring, given alumni traditions for donating funds and the cost of leaving penalty against California schools for faculty salaries.

Add +1 to +3 for most California schools and you'll have a more accurate ranking.

USNWR doesn't really matter to Stanford. Regardless of what USNWR says, Stanford is at top level in prestige with Harvard (and MIT in tech).

Not that it would happen but they’d sure care if they started to really tank. As silly as it all is the perception of excellence matters to a whole lot of people.

I think the USNWR reputation would go before Stanford. While Princeton is a great school and has been top ranked for 8 years or so, I don't know of anyone who really thinks it has overtaken Harvard at the pinnacle of the Ivy League. I'm sure cross-admit choices would show that.

Agreed. As far as what impresses the average person on the street (which really what people who care about rankings care about), Harvard is #1 and it will take a seismic shift to shake that. Dropping the H bomb.

I think there is a slower to change reputation ranking in people's heads. (I think Forbes is probably closer to that.) If USNWR gets too far out of line from that (e.g. drop Stanford to 23) it will seem illegitimate. So they are toeing a line as this is their only cash
cow.

Yeah Money Magazine has UC Riverside or something as number one over like Princeton or something. WTF, bros?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vermont and Miami of Ohio are dismally ranked Public Ivies.

UT-Austin and UW-Madison seem really undervalued. William and Mary is just an odd fit. Never thought I’d see the day Wake Forest overtook UVA. No serious person thinks Wake Forest is a better school than UVA. George Mason is still up and coming very very slowly.

I’m convinced now, finally, they’ve jumped the shark. Elon is ranked as having better teaching than Yale and Georgetown! No way. Elon utilises a number or poorly paid adjuncts - they went on strike recently. This USNews list is trash.

[Anonymous]

What a joke how did Michigan rise to 25

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First time for Elon in the National Rankings.


#84 in National Universities (tie)
#2 in Best Undergraduate Teaching
#11 in Most Innovative Schools
#2 in First-Year Experiences
#1 in Learning Communities
#5 in Senior Capstone
#2 in Service Learning
#4 in Co-ops/Internships
#10 in Writing in the Disciplines (tie)
#1 in Study Abroad
#4 in Undergraduate Research/Creative Projects
#370 in Top Performers on Social Mobility (tie)


Santa Clara also made the move into the National Ramkings, appearing at #54.

Not about Elon, but what do those categories even mean? Does being #1 in study abroad mean you have the most programs? The greatest percentage of students going abroad? Or, is it some statement about the quality of the programs?

It’s as if they create more and more categories so more schools (and alumni) can claim to be the best at something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a joke how did Michigan rise to 25

By crushing UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is Stanford not ranked top 5?

Because Stanford lags behind the schools ahead for the faculty resources and alumni giving component.

Both of these are east-coast/other region favoring, given alumni traditions for donating funds and the cost of leaving penalty against California schools for faculty salaries.

Add +1 to +3 for most California schools and you'll have a more accurate ranking.

USNWR doesn't really matter to Stanford. Regardless of what USNWR says, Stanford is at top level in prestige with Harvard (and MIT in tech).

Not that it would happen but they’d sure care if they started to really tank. As silly as it all is the perception of excellence matters to a whole lot of people.

I think the USNWR reputation would go before Stanford. While Princeton is a great school and has been top ranked for 8 years or so, I don't know of anyone who really thinks it has overtaken Harvard at the pinnacle of the Ivy League. I'm sure cross-admit choices would show that.

Many people think Princeton offers a better undergraduate education than Harvard, so it all depends on what the ranking is purporting to measure. Other rankings may be more focused on the prestige of the entire university, including its graduate and professional schools, or the research prowess of different schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vermont and Miami of Ohio are dismally ranked Public Ivies.

UT-Austin and UW-Madison seem really undervalued. William and Mary is just an odd fit. Never thought I’d see the day Wake Forest overtook UVA. No serious person thinks Wake Forest is a better school than UVA. George Mason is still up and coming very very slowly.

I’m convinced now, finally, they’ve jumped the shark. Elon is ranked as having better teaching than Yale and Georgetown! No way. Elon utilises a number or poorly paid adjuncts - they went on strike recently. This USNews list is trash.

Perhaps because most national universities could care less about teaching. Publish, bring in research, or perish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vermont and Miami of Ohio are dismally ranked Public Ivies.

UT-Austin and UW-Madison seem really undervalued. William and Mary is just an odd fit. Never thought I’d see the day Wake Forest overtook UVA. No serious person thinks Wake Forest is a better school than UVA. George Mason is still up and coming very very slowly.

I’m convinced now, finally, they’ve jumped the shark. Elon is ranked as having better teaching than Yale and Georgetown! No way. Elon utilises a number or poorly paid adjuncts - they went on strike recently. This USNews list is trash.

Fake news - no strike.