Muldoon unacceptable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy solution have every MoCo club that uses Muldoons add 2 additional roster spots for each team in the entire organizations. Take those two spots fees on average $2k per year and dedicate it to put quality turf or grass on the farms add in 2 more tournaments with all proceeds going as well and over a 3-5 year period should payoff the fields.

You're on the right track but you're numbers are probably an order of magnitude low.

It's amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that athletic fields cost money. Good fields cost a lot of money. If you look at what field time costs, how much field time a program needs, and what parents are willing to pay, for the most part youth sports programs are not sustainable unless they have someone else footing the bill for their fields. That someone else is usually the local government.

If you live someplace where the local government is unwilling to pay the cost of providing facilities for youth sports -- or more specifically, your sport of choice -- then the choice is going to be playing on poor fields or not playing at all.

Back to my nimby comment. There is A LOT of money in MoCo. It is likely however that in the eastern part of the county no one wants fields, parking, or lights in their mansion’s backyard. So fields get pushed to Poolesville. It is what it is and it won’t change because the people in the county are who they are. Your choice is to invest in better fields (either via county funds or private ones or a mix) or play on crappy ones (or not play). Either change your choices, or just live with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy solution have every MoCo club that uses Muldoons add 2 additional roster spots for each team in the entire organizations. Take those two spots fees on average $2k per year and dedicate it to put quality turf or grass on the farms add in 2 more tournaments with all proceeds going as well and over a 3-5 year period should payoff the fields.

You're on the right track but you're numbers are probably an order of magnitude low.

It's amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that athletic fields cost money. Good fields cost a lot of money. If you look at what field time costs, how much field time a program needs, and what parents are willing to pay, for the most part youth sports programs are not sustainable unless they have someone else footing the bill for their fields. That someone else is usually the local government.

If you live someplace where the local government is unwilling to pay the cost of providing facilities for youth sports -- or more specifically, your sport of choice -- then the choice is going to be playing on poor fields or not playing at all.

Back to my nimby comment. There is A LOT of money in MoCo. It is likely however that in the eastern part of the county no one wants fields, parking, or lights in their mansion’s backyard. So fields get pushed to Poolesville. It is what it is and it won’t change because the people in the county are who they are. Your choice is to invest in better fields (either via county funds or private ones or a mix) or play on crappy ones (or not play). Either change your choices, or just live with it.

You're overthinking things.
Property around the Bethesda area is EXPENSIVE, and a company like BSC can't compete with developers willing to pay a fortune for any empty land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy solution have every MoCo club that uses Muldoons add 2 additional roster spots for each team in the entire organizations. Take those two spots fees on average $2k per year and dedicate it to put quality turf or grass on the farms add in 2 more tournaments with all proceeds going as well and over a 3-5 year period should payoff the fields.

You're on the right track but you're numbers are probably an order of magnitude low.

It's amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that athletic fields cost money. Good fields cost a lot of money. If you look at what field time costs, how much field time a program needs, and what parents are willing to pay, for the most part youth sports programs are not sustainable unless they have someone else footing the bill for their fields. That someone else is usually the local government.

If you live someplace where the local government is unwilling to pay the cost of providing facilities for youth sports -- or more specifically, your sport of choice -- then the choice is going to be playing on poor fields or not playing at all.

Back to my nimby comment. There is A LOT of money in MoCo. It is likely however that in the eastern part of the county no one wants fields, parking, or lights in their mansion’s backyard. So fields get pushed to Poolesville. It is what it is and it won’t change because the people in the county are who they are. Your choice is to invest in better fields (either via county funds or private ones or a mix) or play on crappy ones (or not play). Either change your choices, or just live with it.

You're overthinking things.
Property around the Bethesda area is EXPENSIVE, and a company like BSC can't compete with developers willing to pay a fortune for any empty land.

So build turf (or at least better drained) fields in Gaithersburg/Germantown/Poolesville. SAC did it in Columbia (funded by their tournaments). BSC has been around long enough that it could/should have made the investment and had fields by now.

[Anonymous]

MSI paid millions of dollars to MoCo to build turf fields at Whitman HS, Einstein HS and Julius West MS in MoCo to have exclusive rights to use these fields for 10 years except when the schools need it for sporting events. (This is due to a lawsuit settlement between MSI & MoCo.)

It’s a shame that BSC doesn’t invest to build turf fields themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy solution have every MoCo club that uses Muldoons add 2 additional roster spots for each team in the entire organizations. Take those two spots fees on average $2k per year and dedicate it to put quality turf or grass on the farms add in 2 more tournaments with all proceeds going as well and over a 3-5 year period should payoff the fields.

You're on the right track but you're numbers are probably an order of magnitude low.

It's amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that athletic fields cost money. Good fields cost a lot of money. If you look at what field time costs, how much field time a program needs, and what parents are willing to pay, for the most part youth sports programs are not sustainable unless they have someone else footing the bill for their fields. That someone else is usually the local government.

If you live someplace where the local government is unwilling to pay the cost of providing facilities for youth sports -- or more specifically, your sport of choice -- then the choice is going to be playing on poor fields or not playing at all.

Back to my nimby comment. There is A LOT of money in MoCo. It is likely however that in the eastern part of the county no one wants fields, parking, or lights in their mansion’s backyard. So fields get pushed to Poolesville. It is what it is and it won’t change because the people in the county are who they are. Your choice is to invest in better fields (either via county funds or private ones or a mix) or play on crappy ones (or not play). Either change your choices, or just live with it.

You're overthinking things.
Property around the Bethesda area is EXPENSIVE, and a company like BSC can't compete with developers willing to pay a fortune for any empty land.

You do realize that BSC’s Office is in Gaithersburg, right?

It would be great, but highly unlikely, if Potomac, BSC and MSI teamed up with Rockville City or MoCo to build a SoccerPlex in the Rockville area. It’s being debated to convert the failing Redgate Golf Course into a soccer faculty but there are issues with funding it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy solution have every MoCo club that uses Muldoons add 2 additional roster spots for each team in the entire organizations. Take those two spots fees on average $2k per year and dedicate it to put quality turf or grass on the farms add in 2 more tournaments with all proceeds going as well and over a 3-5 year period should payoff the fields.

You're on the right track but you're numbers are probably an order of magnitude low.

It's amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that athletic fields cost money. Good fields cost a lot of money. If you look at what field time costs, how much field time a program needs, and what parents are willing to pay, for the most part youth sports programs are not sustainable unless they have someone else footing the bill for their fields. That someone else is usually the local government.

If you live someplace where the local government is unwilling to pay the cost of providing facilities for youth sports -- or more specifically, your sport of choice -- then the choice is going to be playing on poor fields or not playing at all.

Please you could fund the field improvement over 10 or 20 years. The usage fees paid by the clubs for these field are very high-ie you could build or redo a the field every 3-5 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy solution have every MoCo club that uses Muldoons add 2 additional roster spots for each team in the entire organizations. Take those two spots fees on average $2k per year and dedicate it to put quality turf or grass on the farms add in 2 more tournaments with all proceeds going as well and over a 3-5 year period should payoff the fields.

You're on the right track but you're numbers are probably an order of magnitude low.

It's amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that athletic fields cost money. Good fields cost a lot of money. If you look at what field time costs, how much field time a program needs, and what parents are willing to pay, for the most part youth sports programs are not sustainable unless they have someone else footing the bill for their fields. That someone else is usually the local government.

If you live someplace where the local government is unwilling to pay the cost of providing facilities for youth sports -- or more specifically, your sport of choice -- then the choice is going to be playing on poor fields or not playing at all.

Please you could fund the field improvement over 10 or 20 years. The usage fees paid by the clubs for these field are very high-ie you could build or redo a the field every 3-5 years.

Take a look a the economics of the Soccerplex. Their fees are high but they teeter on the brink of viability. And the land was donated. And they're run by a non-profit with no need to return profit to investors.

Athletic fields are expensive to build and maintain. Youth sports that are funded entirely by fees paid by families are going to have a hard time generating enough revenue to pay for them.

If you look at places where youth sports have nice facilities, it's because they're subsidized by someone else -- the local government, an affiliated school, or a sponsoring professional league. For the most part youth soccer in the US doesn't have that.

[Anonymous]

If you could have seen the look on our faces after driving all the way out from Anne Arundel County to play at Muldoons. Hands down the worst field DS10 has ever played at.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muldoons wouldnt be offered up if parents chose programs that actually had appropriate facilities is PPs point.

Of course, it's the parents' fault....still falling flat.

Why is that flat? If BSC didnt need muldoons because of numbers, would they still use it?

What really keeps muldoons on the BSC resource list? Program overcapacity? I have no insight into BSC so whats the root of program overcapacity, if that’s what it is? is it because parents/players love the training and teams or convenience of location? just curious for an honest answer. I dont know why teams sign up tournaments that include the potential for paying for the honor of playing at muldoons, thats just lazy. skip the tournament or go somewhere else.

This is occuring, but then those spots are just filled with other teams that dont know better.

BSC is overbooking their tournaments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy solution have every MoCo club that uses Muldoons add 2 additional roster spots for each team in the entire organizations. Take those two spots fees on average $2k per year and dedicate it to put quality turf or grass on the farms add in 2 more tournaments with all proceeds going as well and over a 3-5 year period should payoff the fields.

You're on the right track but you're numbers are probably an order of magnitude low.

It's amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that athletic fields cost money. Good fields cost a lot of money. If you look at what field time costs, how much field time a program needs, and what parents are willing to pay, for the most part youth sports programs are not sustainable unless they have someone else footing the bill for their fields. That someone else is usually the local government.

If you live someplace where the local government is unwilling to pay the cost of providing facilities for youth sports -- or more specifically, your sport of choice -- then the choice is going to be playing on poor fields or not playing at all.

Please you could fund the field improvement over 10 or 20 years. The usage fees paid by the clubs for these field are very high-ie you could build or redo a the field every 3-5 years.

Take a look a the economics of the Soccerplex. Their fees are high but they teeter on the brink of viability. And the land was donated. And they're run by a non-profit with no need to return profit to investors.

Athletic fields are expensive to build and maintain. Youth sports that are funded entirely by fees paid by families are going to have a hard time generating enough revenue to pay for them.

If you look at places where youth sports have nice facilities, it's because they're subsidized by someone else -- the local government, an affiliated school, or a sponsoring professional league. For the most part youth soccer in the US doesn't have that.

Then explain how FC Frederick is building a 10 field complex and Toca Jrs are building a 5 field complex in Frederick County riiiiiight over the Moco lines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy solution have every MoCo club that uses Muldoons add 2 additional roster spots for each team in the entire organizations. Take those two spots fees on average $2k per year and dedicate it to put quality turf or grass on the farms add in 2 more tournaments with all proceeds going as well and over a 3-5 year period should payoff the fields.

You're on the right track but you're numbers are probably an order of magnitude low.

It's amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that athletic fields cost money. Good fields cost a lot of money. If you look at what field time costs, how much field time a program needs, and what parents are willing to pay, for the most part youth sports programs are not sustainable unless they have someone else footing the bill for their fields. That someone else is usually the local government.

If you live someplace where the local government is unwilling to pay the cost of providing facilities for youth sports -- or more specifically, your sport of choice -- then the choice is going to be playing on poor fields or not playing at all.

Please you could fund the field improvement over 10 or 20 years. The usage fees paid by the clubs for these field are very high-ie you could build or redo a the field every 3-5 years.

Take a look a the economics of the Soccerplex. Their fees are high but they teeter on the brink of viability. And the land was donated. And they're run by a non-profit with no need to return profit to investors.

Athletic fields are expensive to build and maintain. Youth sports that are funded entirely by fees paid by families are going to have a hard time generating enough revenue to pay for them.

If you look at places where youth sports have nice facilities, it's because they're subsidized by someone else -- the local government, an affiliated school, or a sponsoring professional league. For the most part youth soccer in the US doesn't have that.

Then explain how FC Frederick is building a 10 field complex and Toca Jrs are building a 5 field complex in Frederick County riiiiiight over the Moco lines.

And SAC's facility in Columbia. I spoke with a director there and they funded it with tournament fees. And they outsource their tournaments (which is why they run so much better than Bethesda's) so not all the registration fees go to SAC. Really makes you wonder where BSC is spending all its tournament fees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MSI paid millions of dollars to MoCo to build turf fields at Whitman HS, Einstein HS and Julius West MS in MoCo to have exclusive rights to use these fields for 10 years except when the schools need it for sporting events. (This is due to a lawsuit settlement between MSI & MoCo.)

It’s a shame that BSC doesn’t invest to build turf fields themselves.

I think BSC financed Wooten and Richard Montgomery

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy solution have every MoCo club that uses Muldoons add 2 additional roster spots for each team in the entire organizations. Take those two spots fees on average $2k per year and dedicate it to put quality turf or grass on the farms add in 2 more tournaments with all proceeds going as well and over a 3-5 year period should payoff the fields.

You're on the right track but you're numbers are probably an order of magnitude low.

It's amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that athletic fields cost money. Good fields cost a lot of money. If you look at what field time costs, how much field time a program needs, and what parents are willing to pay, for the most part youth sports programs are not sustainable unless they have someone else footing the bill for their fields. That someone else is usually the local government.

If you live someplace where the local government is unwilling to pay the cost of providing facilities for youth sports -- or more specifically, your sport of choice -- then the choice is going to be playing on poor fields or not playing at all.

Back to my nimby comment. There is A LOT of money in MoCo. It is likely however that in the eastern part of the county no one wants fields, parking, or lights in their mansion’s backyard. So fields get pushed to Poolesville. It is what it is and it won’t change because the people in the county are who they are. Your choice is to invest in better fields (either via county funds or private ones or a mix) or play on crappy ones (or not play). Either change your choices, or just live with it.

You're overthinking things.
Property around the Bethesda area is EXPENSIVE, and a company like BSC can't compete with developers willing to pay a fortune for any empty land.

You just proved my nimby relative to eastern MoCo. You do realize that, right? There’s no overthinking. It is simple choice and economics. The rich want to use the land in eastern MoCo for something else, AND also don’t want to have their tax dollars go to better fields in western MoCo. So you get Polo, Muldoons and Summerhill. Nothing wrong with this, it is tax payer and resident choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MSI paid millions of dollars to MoCo to build turf fields at Whitman HS, Einstein HS and Julius West MS in MoCo to have exclusive rights to use these fields for 10 years except when the schools need it for sporting events. (This is due to a lawsuit settlement between MSI & MoCo.)

It’s a shame that BSC doesn’t invest to build turf fields themselves.

I think BSC financed Wooten and Richard Montgomery

i know they did for Wooten

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MSI paid millions of dollars to MoCo to build turf fields at Whitman HS, Einstein HS and Julius West MS in MoCo to have exclusive rights to use these fields for 10 years except when the schools need it for sporting events. (This is due to a lawsuit settlement between MSI & MoCo.)

It’s a shame that BSC doesn’t invest to build turf fields themselves.

I think BSC financed Wooten and Richard Montgomery

i know they did for Wooten

Yes, and WJ as well.