Let's talk about opiods and c-sections...

[Anonymous]

Haven't read all the posts but no they don't tell you to stay ahead of the pain anymore (they did when I had my first in 2014, though). Last year with #2 I had to beg for IV drugs in the recovery room when whatever they put in my spinal block wore off. They actively discouraged opioid use but gave them to me when I reminded them it was time for my dose. If I had breakthrough pain, oh well...I got a heating pad. It was much more painful the second time around.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually 100% agree with you. I had never taken opioids before my C section so just assumed I was supposed to and was not told of any of the side effects (like constipation so bad you want to cry and die). I honestly wished my nurse would have said look, opioids will help an additional 25% but you’ll pay for it with 60% more butthole pain on your first poop. Honestly. I didn’t poop for 1 week post birth and stopped Day 3 post surgery with opioids when I realized why. It should be communicated as a choice and explained with side effects, not prescribed as a directive.

Constipation is a side effect of CS, not pain meds. Your medical providers are supposed to tell you to take extra fiber and colace in the last week of pregnancy.

Actually constipation IS a major side effect of opioids https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/opioid-constipation-lifestyle-changes

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Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

I am not pushing for anything, you massively overreacted.
Sorry for you loss. But dont start a thread under a false pretence. Just come out and say it - you propose to ban opioids completely, including their use after surgeries and after CS specifically.

Liar. I’m not even the OP. Opioids simply need to be the LAST resort, not the FIRST.

Dumbo, they are for short term use, and in that case, addiction is much less likely. They are not meant for long term chronic pain management - that is what causes addition. If your friend used as directed she wouldn't end up addicted. Where were you with your good advice? After CS noboby gets a long-term prescription with many refills. You get 4-6 days worth. And if you're not in pain then you don't have to use it. Same as with wisdom teeth extraction and any other procedures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Depends. Exactly on how much pain there is and how people handle it. I had opioid prescriptions after wisdom teeth extraction (as an adult) - why not start a conversation about that?

After each IVF I also got a script for an opioid in case of severe cramps. Didn't have them - didn't use it.

It's all good that you have a personal experience of advil helping after CS. But your attempt to push it on others is misguided. In an environment where women don't have enough support (e.g. no paternal leave or finances to hire a nurse while you're healing) staying ahead of the pain is critical because if you don't then you can't care for the baby, and there is nobody else to step in. Why don't you have a thoughtful conversation about that?

Those things all seem worthy of a conversation. When considering the pros and cons of DH/DW taking extra parental leave, it seems like the potential drawbacks of mom needing to take more opioids if she’s alone would be one consideration (among many).

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Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

I am not pushing for anything, you massively overreacted.
Sorry for you loss. But dont start a thread under a false pretence. Just come out and say it - you propose to ban opioids completely, including their use after surgeries and after CS specifically.

Liar. I’m not even the OP. Opioids simply need to be the LAST resort, not the FIRST.

There is no other really effective alternative for moderate-severe pain at the moment. Until pharma companies manage to do something w/ marijuana and its derivatives, but i'm still not sure those will be effective for post-surgery pain and chronic pain.

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Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

Clearly, you have never been in the sort of pain that makes you wish you were dead while simultaneously hope you aren’t actually dying, because then who would take care of your kids?

Please report back when and if you are ever in that sort of pain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Depends. Exactly on how much pain there is and how people handle it. I had opioid prescriptions after wisdom teeth extraction (as an adult) - why not start a conversation about that?

After each IVF I also got a script for an opioid in case of severe cramps. Didn't have them - didn't use it.

It's all good that you have a personal experience of advil helping after CS. But your attempt to push it on others is misguided. In an environment where women don't have enough support (e.g. no paternal leave or finances to hire a nurse while you're healing) staying ahead of the pain is critical because if you don't then you can't care for the baby, and there is nobody else to step in. Why don't you have a thoughtful conversation about that?

Those things all seem worthy of a conversation. When considering the pros and cons of DH/DW taking extra parental leave, it seems like the potential drawbacks of mom needing to take more opioids if she’s alone would be one consideration (among many).

yes, and also: let them eat cake while they consider paternity leave considerations.

What country are you from? a lot of people dont have paternity leave in the us.

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Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

I am not pushing for anything, you massively overreacted.
Sorry for you loss. But dont start a thread under a false pretence. Just come out and say it - you propose to ban opioids completely, including their use after surgeries and after CS specifically.

Liar. I’m not even the OP. Opioids simply need to be the LAST resort, not the FIRST.

There is no other really effective alternative for moderate-severe pain at the moment. Until pharma companies manage to do something w/ marijuana and its derivatives, but i'm still not sure those will be effective for post-surgery pain and chronic pain.

Ok, Mr. Big Pharma. Not your responsibility that opioids are pushed on unsuspecting patients. I almost went to fill my prescription — when my friend warned me: Do NOT touch that poison!

Turns out I managed without it. Imagine that!

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Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

I am not pushing for anything, you massively overreacted.
Sorry for you loss. But dont start a thread under a false pretence. Just come out and say it - you propose to ban opioids completely, including their use after surgeries and after CS specifically.

Liar. I’m not even the OP. Opioids simply need to be the LAST resort, not the FIRST.

There is no other really effective alternative for moderate-severe pain at the moment. Until pharma companies manage to do something w/ marijuana and its derivatives, but i'm still not sure those will be effective for post-surgery pain and chronic pain.

Ok, Mr. Big Pharma. Not your responsibility that opioids are pushed on unsuspecting patients. I almost went to fill my prescription — when my friend warned me: Do NOT touch that poison!

Turns out I managed without it. Imagine that!

Bet you would have done just fine with it too.

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Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

I am not pushing for anything, you massively overreacted.
Sorry for you loss. But dont start a thread under a false pretence. Just come out and say it - you propose to ban opioids completely, including their use after surgeries and after CS specifically.

Liar. I’m not even the OP. Opioids simply need to be the LAST resort, not the FIRST.

There is no other really effective alternative for moderate-severe pain at the moment. Until pharma companies manage to do something w/ marijuana and its derivatives, but i'm still not sure those will be effective for post-surgery pain and chronic pain.

Ok, Mr. Big Pharma. Not your responsibility that opioids are pushed on unsuspecting patients. I almost went to fill my prescription — when my friend warned me: Do NOT touch that poison!

Turns out I managed without it. Imagine that!

Have a knee replacement or heart surgery and see how that goes.

Are you the psycho who also accuses everyone of being a male OBGYN?

[Anonymous]

And if you managed without it, then your pain isn’t severe so this doesn’t even apply to you.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you managed without it, then your pain isn’t severe so this doesn’t even apply to you.

The problem is people so frequently being given the opioid prescriptions before it's clear that the opioids are even needed.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you managed without it, then your pain isn’t severe so this doesn’t even apply to you.

The problem is people so frequently being given the opioid prescriptions before it's clear that the opioids are even needed.

...until the problem becomes clear at 2 a.m. after you've been released.

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Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

Clearly, you have never been in the sort of pain that makes you wish you were dead while simultaneously hope you aren’t actually dying, because then who would take care of your kids?

Please report back when and if you are ever in that sort of pain.

I’ve been in that sort of pain, I’ve spent 6 months of/on oxy and have had multiple surgeries. I considered killing myself. I also work with addiction, so I feel fairly confident in saying that these drugs are national epidemic. I refused them during my csection. I have taken them since for my reoccurring agonizing lifelong pain, but pain management specialists are much more well versed at working on these issues.

And anyone who writes a mass opioid script and tells you to “stay ahead of the pain” should have their MD license revoked.

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Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

Clearly, you have never been in the sort of pain that makes you wish you were dead while simultaneously hope you aren’t actually dying, because then who would take care of your kids?

Please report back when and if you are ever in that sort of pain.

I’ve been in that sort of pain, I’ve spent 6 months of/on oxy and have had multiple surgeries. I considered killing myself. I also work with addiction, so I feel fairly confident in saying that these drugs are national epidemic. I refused them during my csection. I have taken them since for my reoccurring agonizing lifelong pain, but pain management specialists are much more well versed at working on these issues.

And anyone who writes a mass opioid script and tells you to “stay ahead of the pain” should have their MD license revoked.

Giving you a prescription for 5 days or less of medication (standard at Georgetown) is not a mass script ffs. And staying ahead of the pain is good advice for recovering from surgery regardless of your choice of pain medication (it's still applicable if you're taking advil).

Lots of things are dangerous if used willy nilly but very beneficial in controlled settings.