Let's talk about opiods and c-sections...

[Anonymous]

I haven't read the entire thread. I used percocet for a brief time after all three of my c-sections. I didn't become addicted. They were helpful when I had to keep on moving because I am mom. I also didn't feel out of it. I took the minimum amount necessary to stay pain free and keep going. BUT - and this is huge - those first BM's after taking percocet are horrible. Awful. Mine all required enemas and gave me hemorrhoids. So, not addicting but not great either!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys, how can we not have a conversation about this? No one is shaming anyone.

If we can't ask questions like this, we're screwed.

OP wasn't shaming anyone as in how dare you take meds. She asked about experiences and clearly the results here show that some women feel like they were given opioids after their c section without explanation on side effects. That proves this is a worthwhile conversation. This is not a cut and dry issue and that's what OP is trying to highlight.

Honestly I can't handle how sensitive some of you are. It prevents rational discussion of complex issues.

Here's a question: What role does the patient and/or patient's spouse and family play in asking questions about prescribed medications and recommended care? Especially for a known likely event like either a delivery (which may/may not involve epidurals and other drugs) and C-sections (which may/may not involve a range of medications during and after the surgery)?

Good question....

I actually don't understand the question. Do you mean something like you should trust your mom and husband more than your doctor about medical care? Because I would disagree with that.

Doctors mostly do and should lay out your options and risks and allow you to make an informed decision. But if you think you have a better understanding than your doctor of the effects of a medicine because you read an article in the post about a woman getting addicted to opioids then you are mistaken. Go to medical school if you would like that same depth of understanding.

Patients should be informed and empowered to make their own decisions. Doctors opinions should inform that decision more than Aunt Sally's opinion.

No, that's not the question.

The question is: If you are preparing for a major procedure or surgery of any kind, don't you bear some responsibility to do some research and to ask questions if you don't feel you are getting enough guidance from your doctor or nurse? When someone recommends pain medication, yes, they should be offering information about possible side effects. But if and when they don't (what with everyone being human and all), you need to ask some questions. If you are out of it, your husband or mom or whomever else is with you might be able to ask some questions, too. This can even be part of your written birth plan, if you have one.

We read countless books and buy countless things to prepare for birth. Maybe we need to come prepared with questions like these written down to make sure that we, ourselves, are asking them, or our partners/helpers can if needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys, how can we not have a conversation about this? No one is shaming anyone.

If we can't ask questions like this, we're screwed.

OP wasn't shaming anyone as in how dare you take meds. She asked about experiences and clearly the results here show that some women feel like they were given opioids after their c section without explanation on side effects. That proves this is a worthwhile conversation. This is not a cut and dry issue and that's what OP is trying to highlight.

Honestly I can't handle how sensitive some of you are. It prevents rational discussion of complex issues.

Here's a question: What role does the patient and/or patient's spouse and family play in asking questions about prescribed medications and recommended care? Especially for a known likely event like either a delivery (which may/may not involve epidurals and other drugs) and C-sections (which may/may not involve a range of medications during and after the surgery)?

Good question....

I actually don't understand the question. Do you mean something like you should trust your mom and husband more than your doctor about medical care? Because I would disagree with that.

Doctors mostly do and should lay out your options and risks and allow you to make an informed decision. But if you think you have a better understanding than your doctor of the effects of a medicine because you read an article in the post about a woman getting addicted to opioids then you are mistaken. Go to medical school if you would like that same depth of understanding.

Patients should be informed and empowered to make their own decisions. Doctors opinions should inform that decision more than Aunt Sally's opinion.

No, that's not the question.

The question is: If you are preparing for a major procedure or surgery of any kind, don't you bear some responsibility to do some research and to ask questions if you don't feel you are getting enough guidance from your doctor or nurse? When someone recommends pain medication, yes, they should be offering information about possible side effects. But if and when they don't (what with everyone being human and all), you need to ask some questions. If you are out of it, your husband or mom or whomever else is with you might be able to ask some questions, too. This can even be part of your written birth plan, if you have one.

We read countless books and buy countless things to prepare for birth. Maybe we need to come prepared with questions like these written down to make sure that we, ourselves, are asking them, or our partners/helpers can if needed.

I don't understand what your conclusion is. Of course you should do your best to become an informed patient. WebMD and even reading some studies isn't going to give you the same understanding of a treatment as a doctor who treats real humans in these scenarios day in and day out but yes, research and ask questions of course. And push back if you aren't comfortable.

The problem with what you're describing is that it is absolutely an essential mindset for a reasonable doctor and a reasonable patient, but on the extreme it is anti vaxxers and people who think drinking green juice cures cancer.

You seem to be implying, since you're posting in this thread, that if everyone did their research than everyone would be concerned about taking opioids. I certainly don't agree with that conclusion.

There is an element of unpredictability to embarking on a journey like childbirth. I really hated being on magnesium after my c section. It made me very sick. I wasn't able to see my baby for almost a day (she was in the NICU and I wasn't allowed to move on the mag). I was on that medicine for an important reason. Neither myself or my husband knew enough about HELLP syndrome to make an informed decision about my treatment outside of the doctor's recommendation. While we can prepare for a lot of things, I don't know that there is more I could have done to prepare for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a planned c's and never needed pain meds.

Same here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys, how can we not have a conversation about this? No one is shaming anyone.

If we can't ask questions like this, we're screwed.

OP wasn't shaming anyone as in how dare you take meds. She asked about experiences and clearly the results here show that some women feel like they were given opioids after their c section without explanation on side effects. That proves this is a worthwhile conversation. This is not a cut and dry issue and that's what OP is trying to highlight.

Honestly I can't handle how sensitive some of you are. It prevents rational discussion of complex issues.

Here's a question: What role does the patient and/or patient's spouse and family play in asking questions about prescribed medications and recommended care? Especially for a known likely event like either a delivery (which may/may not involve epidurals and other drugs) and C-sections (which may/may not involve a range of medications during and after the surgery)?

Good question....

I actually don't understand the question. Do you mean something like you should trust your mom and husband more than your doctor about medical care? Because I would disagree with that.

Doctors mostly do and should lay out your options and risks and allow you to make an informed decision. But if you think you have a better understanding than your doctor of the effects of a medicine because you read an article in the post about a woman getting addicted to opioids then you are mistaken. Go to medical school if you would like that same depth of understanding.

Patients should be informed and empowered to make their own decisions. Doctors opinions should inform that decision more than Aunt Sally's opinion.

No, that's not the question.

The question is: If you are preparing for a major procedure or surgery of any kind, don't you bear some responsibility to do some research and to ask questions if you don't feel you are getting enough guidance from your doctor or nurse? When someone recommends pain medication, yes, they should be offering information about possible side effects. But if and when they don't (what with everyone being human and all), you need to ask some questions. If you are out of it, your husband or mom or whomever else is with you might be able to ask some questions, too. This can even be part of your written birth plan, if you have one.

We read countless books and buy countless things to prepare for birth. Maybe we need to come prepared with questions like these written down to make sure that we, ourselves, are asking them, or our partners/helpers can if needed.

I don't understand what your conclusion is. Of course you should do your best to become an informed patient. WebMD and even reading some studies isn't going to give you the same understanding of a treatment as a doctor who treats real humans in these scenarios day in and day out but yes, research and ask questions of course. And push back if you aren't comfortable.

The problem with what you're describing is that it is absolutely an essential mindset for a reasonable doctor and a reasonable patient, but on the extreme it is anti vaxxers and people who think drinking green juice cures cancer.

You seem to be implying, since you're posting in this thread, that if everyone did their research than everyone would be concerned about taking opioids. I certainly don't agree with that conclusion.

There is an element of unpredictability to embarking on a journey like childbirth. I really hated being on magnesium after my c section. It made me very sick. I wasn't able to see my baby for almost a day (she was in the NICU and I wasn't allowed to move on the mag). I was on that medicine for an important reason. Neither myself or my husband knew enough about HELLP syndrome to make an informed decision about my treatment outside of the doctor's recommendation. While we can prepare for a lot of things, I don't know that there is more I could have done to prepare for that.

You continue to get me wrong, and I think you're doing so because you just have points to make, so go ahead and do what you need to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys, how can we not have a conversation about this? No one is shaming anyone.

If we can't ask questions like this, we're screwed.

OP wasn't shaming anyone as in how dare you take meds. She asked about experiences and clearly the results here show that some women feel like they were given opioids after their c section without explanation on side effects. That proves this is a worthwhile conversation. This is not a cut and dry issue and that's what OP is trying to highlight.

Honestly I can't handle how sensitive some of you are. It prevents rational discussion of complex issues.

Here's a question: What role does the patient and/or patient's spouse and family play in asking questions about prescribed medications and recommended care? Especially for a known likely event like either a delivery (which may/may not involve epidurals and other drugs) and C-sections (which may/may not involve a range of medications during and after the surgery)?

Good question....

I actually don't understand the question. Do you mean something like you should trust your mom and husband more than your doctor about medical care? Because I would disagree with that.

Doctors mostly do and should lay out your options and risks and allow you to make an informed decision. But if you think you have a better understanding than your doctor of the effects of a medicine because you read an article in the post about a woman getting addicted to opioids then you are mistaken. Go to medical school if you would like that same depth of understanding.

Patients should be informed and empowered to make their own decisions. Doctors opinions should inform that decision more than Aunt Sally's opinion.

No, that's not the question.

The question is: If you are preparing for a major procedure or surgery of any kind, don't you bear some responsibility to do some research and to ask questions if you don't feel you are getting enough guidance from your doctor or nurse? When someone recommends pain medication, yes, they should be offering information about possible side effects. But if and when they don't (what with everyone being human and all), you need to ask some questions. If you are out of it, your husband or mom or whomever else is with you might be able to ask some questions, too. This can even be part of your written birth plan, if you have one.

We read countless books and buy countless things to prepare for birth. Maybe we need to come prepared with questions like these written down to make sure that we, ourselves, are asking them, or our partners/helpers can if needed.

I don't understand what your conclusion is. Of course you should do your best to become an informed patient. WebMD and even reading some studies isn't going to give you the same understanding of a treatment as a doctor who treats real humans in these scenarios day in and day out but yes, research and ask questions of course. And push back if you aren't comfortable.

The problem with what you're describing is that it is absolutely an essential mindset for a reasonable doctor and a reasonable patient, but on the extreme it is anti vaxxers and people who think drinking green juice cures cancer.

You seem to be implying, since you're posting in this thread, that if everyone did their research than everyone would be concerned about taking opioids. I certainly don't agree with that conclusion.

There is an element of unpredictability to embarking on a journey like childbirth. I really hated being on magnesium after my c section. It made me very sick. I wasn't able to see my baby for almost a day (she was in the NICU and I wasn't allowed to move on the mag). I was on that medicine for an important reason. Neither myself or my husband knew enough about HELLP syndrome to make an informed decision about my treatment outside of the doctor's recommendation. While we can prepare for a lot of things, I don't know that there is more I could have done to prepare for that.

You continue to get me wrong, and I think you're doing so because you just have points to make, so go ahead and do what you need to do.

Honestly no I don't understand what you're getting at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Then why aren't they concerned about giving drugs after other surgeries like bladder or gallbladder surgery? Surely men don't need pain meds if women don't need them after csections?!

I feel like people would only give newborns to women after csections and tell them to "deal with it". Men would never put up with taking care of a newborn immediately following surgery. Or allowing intrusive visitors in postpartum rooms. I had a 4th degree tear following my vaginal birth. I needed the percocet to move. Every single part of me was sore from a 40+ hour labor. My back muscles have never hurt so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys, how can we not have a conversation about this? No one is shaming anyone.

If we can't ask questions like this, we're screwed.

OP wasn't shaming anyone as in how dare you take meds. She asked about experiences and clearly the results here show that some women feel like they were given opioids after their c section without explanation on side effects. That proves this is a worthwhile conversation. This is not a cut and dry issue and that's what OP is trying to highlight.

Honestly I can't handle how sensitive some of you are. It prevents rational discussion of complex issues.

Here's a question: What role does the patient and/or patient's spouse and family play in asking questions about prescribed medications and recommended care? Especially for a known likely event like either a delivery (which may/may not involve epidurals and other drugs) and C-sections (which may/may not involve a range of medications during and after the surgery)?

Good question....

I actually don't understand the question. Do you mean something like you should trust your mom and husband more than your doctor about medical care? Because I would disagree with that.

Doctors mostly do and should lay out your options and risks and allow you to make an informed decision. But if you think you have a better understanding than your doctor of the effects of a medicine because you read an article in the post about a woman getting addicted to opioids then you are mistaken. Go to medical school if you would like that same depth of understanding.

Patients should be informed and empowered to make their own decisions. Doctors opinions should inform that decision more than Aunt Sally's opinion.

No, that's not the question.

The question is: If you are preparing for a major procedure or surgery of any kind, don't you bear some responsibility to do some research and to ask questions if you don't feel you are getting enough guidance from your doctor or nurse? When someone recommends pain medication, yes, they should be offering information about possible side effects. But if and when they don't (what with everyone being human and all), you need to ask some questions. If you are out of it, your husband or mom or whomever else is with you might be able to ask some questions, too. This can even be part of your written birth plan, if you have one.

We read countless books and buy countless things to prepare for birth. Maybe we need to come prepared with questions like these written down to make sure that we, ourselves, are asking them, or our partners/helpers can if needed.

I don't understand what your conclusion is. Of course you should do your best to become an informed patient. WebMD and even reading some studies isn't going to give you the same understanding of a treatment as a doctor who treats real humans in these scenarios day in and day out but yes, research and ask questions of course. And push back if you aren't comfortable.

The problem with what you're describing is that it is absolutely an essential mindset for a reasonable doctor and a reasonable patient, but on the extreme it is anti vaxxers and people who think drinking green juice cures cancer.

You seem to be implying, since you're posting in this thread, that if everyone did their research than everyone would be concerned about taking opioids. I certainly don't agree with that conclusion.

There is an element of unpredictability to embarking on a journey like childbirth. I really hated being on magnesium after my c section. It made me very sick. I wasn't able to see my baby for almost a day (she was in the NICU and I wasn't allowed to move on the mag). I was on that medicine for an important reason. Neither myself or my husband knew enough about HELLP syndrome to make an informed decision about my treatment outside of the doctor's recommendation. While we can prepare for a lot of things, I don't know that there is more I could have done to prepare for that.

You continue to get me wrong, and I think you're doing so because you just have points to make, so go ahead and do what you need to do.

NP. OP go take a hike. She made valid points you could respond to but you repeat the same drivel over and over again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

Bigger conversation than focusing on women with c sections

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

Bigger conversation than focusing on women with c sections

Except a friend started her opioid addiction with her c section meds.
There has GOT to be an alternative. I hope she doesn’t become one of the 130 dead Americans tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

I am not pushing for anything, you massively overreacted.
Sorry for you loss. But dont start a thread under a false pretence. Just come out and say it - you propose to ban opioids completely, including their use after surgeries and after CS specifically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They gave me percocet after my first vaginal birth. I was surprised and didn't use them. When I asked the pharmacy if they would take them back they told me to just flush it down the toilet. It's shocking.

+1. They prescribed it for me with both vaginal births, 7 and 4 years ago. I only used ibuprofen.

Big Pharma is BIG Business.
Physicians are the drug pushers.

Ok, go ahead. Go through surgeries, dental work, migraines, flu without meds.
Actually, come to think of it - medicine is a big business too. So go without doctors, nurses, medical attention.
Elderberry syrop for everyone, cheers!

130 dead Americans. Every. Single. Day.
Keep pushing your addictive deadly drugs.

I am not pushing for anything, you massively overreacted.
Sorry for you loss. But dont start a thread under a false pretence. Just come out and say it - you propose to ban opioids completely, including their use after surgeries and after CS specifically.

Liar. I’m not even the OP. Opioids simply need to be the LAST resort, not the FIRST.