The hubris of the young missionary killed in Sentinel Island

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Anonymous wrote:He wasn't a missionary. He was an Instagram adventurer. Big difference.

+1 I've read many articles and also his Instagram posts. He was definitely a wanna-be instagram celebrity while preaching was just a side gig, in other words it was secondary. He clearly had a very strange and troubling desire for danger since this was not his first brush with death, although it was the last.

No, he was a missionary. His last letters were released. He was all about spreading the Word.

Yeah, even at the expense of exposing a population to diseases to which they had no immunity. Neo-colonialism at its worst.

This has always been the case with missionaries. It has always been about “civilizing’’ the ‘natives’.

Americas, Africa, Asia. All the same story.

Less than 20 years ago, the then Pope made a speech about redoubling conversion efforts in India.
“Just as the first millennium saw the cross firmly planted in the soil of Europe, and the second in that of America and Africa, so may the third Christian millennium witness a great harvest of faith on this vast and vital continent," he told a crowd in a New Delhi sports stadium.”

He was Asian-American. Both his parents were Chinese born. So, stop making this about European Christiandom.

Nice deflection. He was in every way representative of evangelical missionaries of the European-colonial tradition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He did nothing wrong except go there. The fisherman that helped him were arrested. There is something going on there NO ONE wants the public to know about and it has nothing to do with natives.

It has everything to do with the native population. Archeologists and anthropologists want to study them, and they would have more right than a missionary to be there. However! We’ve learned enough (finally!) to understand that indigenous people not exposed to the outside world have NO IMMUNITY to our germs. Do you want people with the flu around your two week old baby? No, because you don’t want your child getting sick. Now, expand that 100 fold. These people don’t speak any language we know, they don’t share customs with anyone still alive in the world. They have a functional society, and we do not have the right to go in and destroy both their way of life and kill them with our germs!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:His family requested that those responsible for transporting him near the island not be punished. It’s pretty clear the hubris runs in the family.

Wrong. They were saying it was his decision and he paid the price--no one else should be held accountable for his actions. This sounds like taking responsibility and no laying blame--the opposite of hubris.

It is absolutely not their place to decide who else should or should not be held accountable for assisting him in breaking the law.

Oh, my gosh. do you say the same things when loved ones of murder victims speak up on the perpetrators behalf at sentencing requesting leniency because the "forgive" them?

There’s a difference. The judge at the trial is still going to hand down a ruling, leniency is asking for a lighter sentence. The fishermen were doing something illegal, but the family asked for them to not get in trouble at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He did nothing wrong except go there. The fisherman that helped him were arrested. There is something going on there NO ONE wants the public to know about and it has nothing to do with natives.

It has everything to do with the native population. Archeologists and anthropologists want to study them, and they would have more right than a missionary to be there. However! We’ve learned enough (finally!) to understand that indigenous people not exposed to the outside world have NO IMMUNITY to our germs. Do you want people with the flu around your two week old baby? No, because you don’t want your child getting sick. Now, expand that 100 fold. These people don’t speak any language we know, they don’t share customs with anyone still alive in the world. They have a functional society, and we do not have the right to go in and destroy both their way of life and kill them with our germs!

How are you all so sure he knew about the germ theory?

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Anonymous wrote:The tribesmen are smart. Contact will mean the end of their sovereignty and way of life. Captain Cook died a similar way. It was not taken for granted that they would welcome back in those times, so why do you think that has changed.

Does anyone know who was Captain Cook?

Brit killed in Hawaii.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:His family requested that those responsible for transporting him near the island not be punished. It’s pretty clear the hubris runs in the family.

Do you know what hubris means? You are saying the opposite. Chau's family is FORGIVING the islanders and the sea crew because they are Christian. They don't want anyone punished. That is what true Christians do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:His family requested that those responsible for transporting him near the island not be punished. It’s pretty clear the hubris runs in the family.

Do you know what hubris means? You are saying the opposite. Chau's family is FORGIVING the islanders and the sea crew because they are Christian. They don't want anyone punished. That is what true Christians do.

Chau’s Family is forgiving the islanders because they see killing Chau as the crime that needs to be forgiving. In reality the forgiveness that is needed is by the islanders for Chau’s parents for raising and indoctrinating a genocidal son. The crime wasn’t murdering Chau, that was self defense. The crime was invading the island.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:His family requested that those responsible for transporting him near the island not be punished. It’s pretty clear the hubris runs in the family.

Do you know what hubris means? You are saying the opposite. Chau's family is FORGIVING the islanders and the sea crew because they are Christian. They don't want anyone punished. That is what true Christians do.

Chau’s Family is forgiving the islanders because they see killing Chau as the crime that needs to be forgiving. In reality the forgiveness that is needed is by the islanders for Chau’s parents for raising and indoctrinating a genocidal son. The crime wasn’t murdering Chau, that was self defense. The crime was invading the island.

You've got it backwards. The Indian government is considering murder charges against the Sentinelese. And the boat people. The family is saying to forgive. There's no proof anywhere that son knew his actions could be genocidal. Earlier contacts didn't result in any deaths. He was trained by a missionary group to go in. No one has any proof that he could have wiped out all the tribe - you are all taking one special interest group's word for it - from one paper. You have to learn to read more critically. An opinion from a special interest group not familiar with the island means nothing. From what I've read it was likely that Chau didn't even know he could be bringing disease with him. Why would the missionary group train him to go in if that was common knowledge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:He did nothing wrong except go there. The fisherman that helped him were arrested. There is something going on there NO ONE wants the public to know about and it has nothing to do with natives.

It has everything to do with the native population. Archeologists and anthropologists want to study them, and they would have more right than a missionary to be there. However! We’ve learned enough (finally!) to understand that indigenous people not exposed to the outside world have NO IMMUNITY to our germs. Do you want people with the flu around your two week old baby? No, because you don’t want your child getting sick. Now, expand that 100 fold. These people don’t speak any language we know, they don’t share customs with anyone still alive in the world. They have a functional society, and we do not have the right to go in and destroy both their way of life and kill them with our germs!

How are you all so sure he knew about the germ theory?

It doesn't matter that he knew or not. Such laws are "strict liability." You are prosecuted whether you knew or not; the government doesn't have to prove that you intentionally broke the law while knowing the law and its purpose. Public safety laws work like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His family requested that those responsible for transporting him near the island not be punished. It’s pretty clear the hubris runs in the family.

Do you know what hubris means? You are saying the opposite. Chau's family is FORGIVING the islanders and the sea crew because they are Christian. They don't want anyone punished. That is what true Christians do.

Chau’s Family is forgiving the islanders because they see killing Chau as the crime that needs to be forgiving. In reality the forgiveness that is needed is by the islanders for Chau’s parents for raising and indoctrinating a genocidal son. The crime wasn’t murdering Chau, that was self defense. The crime was invading the island.

You've got it backwards. The Indian government is considering murder charges against the Sentinelese. And the boat people. The family is saying to forgive. There's no proof anywhere that son knew his actions could be genocidal. Earlier contacts didn't result in any deaths. He was trained by a missionary group to go in. No one has any proof that he could have wiped out all the tribe - you are all taking one special interest group's word for it - from one paper. You have to learn to read more critically. An opinion from a special interest group not familiar with the island means nothing. From what I've read it was likely that Chau didn't even know he could be bringing disease with him. Why would the missionary group train him to go in if that was common knowledge?

The history of first contact leading to the spread of dealt germs is well known. Look at smallpox and Native Americans. Look at the history of indigenous Australians, and groups in the Amazon.

Of thre original tribes that inhabited the Andaman Islands, the population is now 12% what it was before contact. Some groups are completely gone, like the the Bo whose last member died in 2010. Some like the Jarawa are now routinely regularly subjected to rape and abuse.

Chai traveled halfway around the world to do this. Before he went he was trained by an organization that specializes in this sort of thing. He must have known what he was planning was illegal when he went through immigration, because he knew he needed to lie. He spent weeks trying to find someone willing to take him there, another clue that what he wanted to do was illegal.

It seems unlikely that he didn’t know, and more likely that either he thought God would protect his mission, or that the opportunity to save their souls was worth the risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The tribesmen are smart. Contact will mean the end of their sovereignty and way of life. Captain Cook died a similar way. It was not taken for granted that they would welcome back in those times, so why do you think that has changed.

Does anyone know who was Captain Cook?

Yes, I love his peanut butter cereal. Oh, wait, that’s Captain Crunch.

[Anonymous]

One piece I haven't heard mentioned here is that of the specific evangelical sect that this maniac represented - he belongs to a sect that believes the Rapture cannot occur until every person on earth has been given the chance to accept Jesus as their lord and savior.

Obviously, the existence of isolated tribes poses a problem for this particular prophesy.

Enter people like Chau, attemting to hasten the Second Coming by "witnessing" to some of the last uncontacted tribes on the planet.

Oh, and he might kill them in the process? An acceptable price to pay for giving them the chance to accept Christ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tribesmen are smart. Contact will mean the end of their sovereignty and way of life. Captain Cook died a similar way. It was not taken for granted that they would welcome back in those times, so why do you think that has changed.

Does anyone know who was Captain Cook?

Yes, I love his peanut butter cereal. Oh, wait, that’s Captain Crunch.

Goes great with Coke? Oh, wait, that’s Captain Morgan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One piece I haven't heard mentioned here is that of the specific evangelical sect that this maniac represented - he belongs to a sect that believes the Rapture cannot occur until every person on earth has been given the chance to accept Jesus as their lord and savior.

Obviously, the existence of isolated tribes poses a problem for this particular prophesy.

Enter people like Chau, attemting to hasten the Second Coming by "witnessing" to some of the last uncontacted tribes on the planet.

Oh, and he might kill them in the process? An acceptable price to pay for giving them the chance to accept Christ.

Brainwashed nutter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His family requested that those responsible for transporting him near the island not be punished. It’s pretty clear the hubris runs in the family.

Do you know what hubris means? You are saying the opposite. Chau's family is FORGIVING the islanders and the sea crew because they are Christian. They don't want anyone punished. That is what true Christians do.

Chau’s Family is forgiving the islanders because they see killing Chau as the crime that needs to be forgiving. In reality the forgiveness that is needed is by the islanders for Chau’s parents for raising and indoctrinating a genocidal son. The crime wasn’t murdering Chau, that was self defense. The crime was invading the island.

You've got it backwards. The Indian government is considering murder charges against the Sentinelese. And the boat people. The family is saying to forgive. There's no proof anywhere that son knew his actions could be genocidal. Earlier contacts didn't result in any deaths. He was trained by a missionary group to go in. No one has any proof that he could have wiped out all the tribe - you are all taking one special interest group's word for it - from one paper. You have to learn to read more critically. An opinion from a special interest group not familiar with the island means nothing. From what I've read it was likely that Chau didn't even know he could be bringing disease with him. Why would the missionary group train him to go in if that was common knowledge?

What a bunch of garbage. The Indian gov’t is not charging any of the islanders with murder charges. It’s some crazy Christian group that is demanding the Indian govt to prosecute.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/india/christian-group-invites-ridicule-with-demand-of-murder-charges-against-sentinelese/amp_articleshow/66776223.cms

And earlier contact during British colonialism days did in fact cause 2 deaths when they stormed the island and kidnapped several of the tribe.

As far as his ‘training’ by the missionary group- it’s a bunch of ‘‘you are doing god’s work, go save those lost souls, blah blah blah”. You think they care about science? “Jesus will protect you and they will be saved!” Hallelujah.