The Serena cartoon — too much, too far?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you lived under a rock but still knew 2 things about Osaka, you’d know her parents are Japanese/Black (may have known Haitian). To come here and defend the cartoon on the basis that “you thought she was Hawaiian” is idiotic. Goodbye.

I had no idea who Osaka was until this incident. I really don't watch much in the way of tennis these days.

I clicked on a thread to find out why Serena was being called a baby and bully and that is when I first heard of what happened. I've since watched a video of her meltdown so I'm aware of what happened. You don't need to be an expert on tennis to see that Serena had a bad day. Osaka's heritage has nothing to do with it although people are sure trying to make it an issue...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you lived under a rock but still knew 2 things about Osaka, you’d know her parents are Japanese/Black (may have known Haitian). To come here and defend the cartoon on the basis that “you thought she was Hawaiian” is idiotic. Goodbye.

I had no idea who Osaka was until this incident. I really don't watch much in the way of tennis these days.

I clicked on a thread to find out why Serena was being called a baby and bully and that is when I first heard of what happened. I've since watched a video of her meltdown so I'm aware of what happened. You don't need to be an expert on tennis to see that Serena had a bad day. Osaka's heritage has nothing to do with it although people are sure trying to make it an issue...

If you actually watched tennis you would know that what happened with serena has happened with dozens and dozens of men but you don't know about that because when men in tennis do what Serena did... it's not in the news because it is considered strong and passionate ... never described as a meltdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you lived under a rock but still knew 2 things about Osaka, you’d know her parents are Japanese/Black (may have known Haitian). To come here and defend the cartoon on the basis that “you thought she was Hawaiian” is idiotic. Goodbye.

I had no idea who Osaka was until this incident. I really don't watch much in the way of tennis these days.

I clicked on a thread to find out why Serena was being called a baby and bully and that is when I first heard of what happened. I've since watched a video of her meltdown so I'm aware of what happened. You don't need to be an expert on tennis to see that Serena had a bad day. Osaka's heritage has nothing to do with it although people are sure trying to make it an issue...

If you actually watched tennis you would know that what happened with serena has happened with dozens and dozens of men but you don't know about that because when men in tennis do what Serena did... it's not in the news because it is considered strong and passionate ... never described as a meltdown.

I watch other sports like football and men get benched and their teams get penalized if they behave like that.

I remember McEnroe being penalized and made of fun of when he acted like a big baby, too.

If men are regularly behaving like Serena did w/o being penalized then the rules need better enforcement. It does not mean that what Serena did was right or that she should not have been called out for it.

If somebody pulled that crap in figure skating they would never skate in front of the judges again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you lived under a rock but still knew 2 things about Osaka, you’d know her parents are Japanese/Black (may have known Haitian). To come here and defend the cartoon on the basis that “you thought she was Hawaiian” is idiotic. Goodbye.

I had no idea who Osaka was until this incident. I really don't watch much in the way of tennis these days.

I clicked on a thread to find out why Serena was being called a baby and bully and that is when I first heard of what happened. I've since watched a video of her meltdown so I'm aware of what happened. You don't need to be an expert on tennis to see that Serena had a bad day. Osaka's heritage has nothing to do with it although people are sure trying to make it an issue...

That explains why you don’t understand the outrage at depicting Serena as an ugly angry black lady and in contrast showing Osaka as a calm, perky, blonde, sane white woman.

[Anonymous]

It's a caricature of a person who happens to be black. Was the artist supposed to depict her with thin lips and a bob?

[Anonymous]

It’s the white hat good black hat bad tired stereotype.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a caricature of a person who happens to be black. Was the artist supposed to depict her with thin lips and a bob?

Hmm, let’s see if we can find another example of this cartoonist drawing another (half) black lady. Oh, I know. In the same cartoon when he drew Osaka. As a skinny white blonde.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you lived under a rock but still knew 2 things about Osaka, you’d know her parents are Japanese/Black (may have known Haitian). To come here and defend the cartoon on the basis that “you thought she was Hawaiian” is idiotic. Goodbye.

I had no idea who Osaka was until this incident. I really don't watch much in the way of tennis these days.

I clicked on a thread to find out why Serena was being called a baby and bully and that is when I first heard of what happened. I've since watched a video of her meltdown so I'm aware of what happened. You don't need to be an expert on tennis to see that Serena had a bad day. Osaka's heritage has nothing to do with it although people are sure trying to make it an issue...

If you actually watched tennis you would know that what happened with serena has happened with dozens and dozens of men but you don't know about that because when men in tennis do what Serena did... it's not in the news because it is considered strong and passionate ... never described as a meltdown.

I watch other sports like football and men get benched and their teams get penalized if they behave like that.

I remember McEnroe being penalized and made of fun of when he acted like a big baby, too.

If men are regularly behaving like Serena did w/o being penalized then the rules need better enforcement. It does not mean that what Serena did was right or that she should not have been called out for it.

If somebody pulled that crap in figure skating they would never skate in front of the judges again.

Football players do not get benched for getting in the face of the referee, nor do they get fined. You can google Tom Brady yells at ref and watch video after video after video.

Yes. They either need to enforce the rules for men or treat women the same. Nobody is asking for special treatment, people are asking that the rules be the same.

Have you ever seen a hockey game?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a caricature of a person who happens to be black. Was the artist supposed to depict her with thin lips and a bob?

Hmm, let’s see if we can find another example of this cartoonist drawing another (half) black lady. Oh, I know. In the same cartoon when he drew Osaka. As a skinny white blonde.

Walked right into that one.

[Anonymous]

Loved the pacifier. Best part of the cartoon.

I don’t think the other woman in the cartoon is necessarily Osaka. I think it depicts a generic opponent because this is not the first (and possibly not the last) time Serena has had a melt down on the court.

I don’t think it is racist at all. It is a caricature and captured her features.

[Anonymous]

I love all the comments claiming Osaka is being depicted as white and blonde when A) her hair is dyed blonde IRL and B) the cartoonist used THE EXACT SAME SHADE OF BROWN for her as he did in his depiction of Williams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you lived under a rock but still knew 2 things about Osaka, you’d know her parents are Japanese/Black (may have known Haitian). To come here and defend the cartoon on the basis that “you thought she was Hawaiian” is idiotic. Goodbye.

I had no idea who Osaka was until this incident. I really don't watch much in the way of tennis these days.

I clicked on a thread to find out why Serena was being called a baby and bully and that is when I first heard of what happened. I've since watched a video of her meltdown so I'm aware of what happened. You don't need to be an expert on tennis to see that Serena had a bad day. Osaka's heritage has nothing to do with it although people are sure trying to make it an issue...

If you actually watched tennis you would know that what happened with serena has happened with dozens and dozens of men but you don't know about that because when men in tennis do what Serena did... it's not in the news because it is considered strong and passionate ... never described as a meltdown.

Well, actually, if you really followed tennis you would know that men who behave similarly do get penalized as well. Serena gets more attention here because she is a top-ranked woman who happens to be both American and black, and this forum is full of people who love to cry racism and sexism whenever they can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Loved the pacifier. Best part of the cartoon.

I don’t think the other woman in the cartoon is necessarily Osaka. I think it depicts a generic opponent because this is not the first (and possibly not the last) time Serena has had a melt down on the court.

I don’t think it is racist at all. It is a caricature and captured her features.

+1000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a caricature of a person who happens to be black. Was the artist supposed to depict her with thin lips and a bob?

Hmm, let’s see if we can find another example of this cartoonist drawing another (half) black lady. Oh, I know. In the same cartoon when he drew Osaka. As a skinny white blonde.

She is skinny, her hair is dyed blonde, and I cannot see any difference in skin tone between her and Williams in that cartoon - both are brown.

[Anonymous]

Let's put the potential racist implications aside for a moment - for whatever reason that's all y'all wanna talk about - and examine something else...SEXISM.

Billie Jean King, a tennis legend and equal rights advocate tweeted...
"When a woman is emotional, she's "hysterical" and she's penalized for it. When a man does the same, he's "outspoken" & and there are no repercussions. Thank you, Serena Williams, for calling out this double standard. More voices are needed to do the same"

Anybody agree?