Public School Event Held at Private Swim Club - Is this allowed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone sent this thread to the Barnsley admin?

Wouldn't they already be aware? How are the teachers/staff being invited?

It would seem that if someone sent an invite to the school teachers/staff, then it would be sent to the entire staff. Including the principal.

It's a large school. How else to get a hold of all the staff?

PP again

Also, it appears that lots of schools do this, and most people find it acceptable. Definitely no rule against it, so there's no reason to complain to admin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone sent this thread to the Barnsley admin?

Wouldn't they already be aware? How are the teachers/staff being invited?

It would seem that if someone sent an invite to the school teachers/staff, then it would be sent to the entire staff. Including the principal.

It's a large school. How else to get a hold of all the staff?

PP again

Also, it appears that lots of schools do this, and most people find it acceptable. Definitely no rule against it, so there's no reason to complain to admin.

I would still complain. Community standards change over time, a school that promotes inclusivity as a value should not host exclusive events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone sent this thread to the Barnsley admin?

Wouldn't they already be aware? How are the teachers/staff being invited?

It would seem that if someone sent an invite to the school teachers/staff, then it would be sent to the entire staff. Including the principal.

It's a large school. How else to get a hold of all the staff?

Presumably the point of sending this thread to the Barnsley administration is to send the message: I don't think that this event is appropriate; please do something about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our PTA sponsors a meet and greet at a Private swim club most of the PTA Officers are members of. When we put out the invitation we ask for RSVPs so that the Officers can put them down as guests. Our guest fees in the evenings are minimal so it shouldn't exclude anyone who wants to come.

Is this problematic? Yes, it is.

Why exactly is is problematic? It allows people who are not members of the pool (many who do not have regular access to pools in general) to come and meet kids they are going to go to school with. It gives new parents the opportunity to ask questions to returning parents. The school is over 80% FARMS and we have only had positive feedback about it. It is not sponsored by the school and the teachers who attend are mostly members of the pool as well.

If the invitation has a prominent "All Welcome" and makes clear that non-members are welcome to attend, and provides the process for getting on the guest list, that seems okay to me. But if the location given is membership only and you have to be friends with one of the officers to know that you can get a guest pass-that wouldn't be good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone sent this thread to the Barnsley admin?

Wouldn't they already be aware? How are the teachers/staff being invited?

It would seem that if someone sent an invite to the school teachers/staff, then it would be sent to the entire staff. Including the principal.

It's a large school. How else to get a hold of all the staff?

NP here. All email addresses of staff and teachers are included in a school's website. If this is not a PTA sponsored event, I'm not understanding the issue.
If this was a girls scouts back to school party for the girl scouts families at the school and they invited the staff (but not non-girl scout families), would you be upset?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone sent this thread to the Barnsley admin?

Wouldn't they already be aware? How are the teachers/staff being invited?

It would seem that if someone sent an invite to the school teachers/staff, then it would be sent to the entire staff. Including the principal.

It's a large school. How else to get a hold of all the staff?

PP again

Also, it appears that lots of schools do this, and most people find it acceptable. Definitely no rule against it, so there's no reason to complain to admin.

I would still complain. Community standards change over time, a school that promotes inclusivity as a value should not host exclusive events.

bull. really? The 5th grade families at my school will host a 5th grade picnic and invite teachers each year? Is this exclusive since it's not open to the entire school?

[Anonymous]

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bull. really? The 5th grade families at my school will host a 5th grade picnic and invite teachers each year? Is this exclusive since it's not open to the entire school?

That depends on where they're hosting it, eh? Among other things.

[Anonymous]

Barnsley admin could clarify why it’s ok for their staff to attend. It seems like an ok event to me other than the staff issue which I am less certain about. It might be ok though as the school might see it as community outreach and perhaps the teachers have accepted similar invites to other locations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone sent this thread to the Barnsley admin?

Wouldn't they already be aware? How are the teachers/staff being invited?

It would seem that if someone sent an invite to the school teachers/staff, then it would be sent to the entire staff. Including the principal.

It's a large school. How else to get a hold of all the staff?

PP again

Also, it appears that lots of schools do this, and most people find it acceptable. Definitely no rule against it, so there's no reason to complain to admin.

I would still complain. Community standards change over time, a school that promotes inclusivity as a value should not host exclusive events.

bull. really? The 5th grade families at my school will host a 5th grade picnic and invite teachers each year? Is this exclusive since it's not open to the entire school?

But it’s open to ALL 5th grade families.

Not just the ones who pay the ‘membership dues’.

Do they charge the 5th graders admission? That’s the difference. This event is providing ‘access to teachers and staff’ for people who can pay. Gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our PTA sponsors a meet and greet at a Private swim club most of the PTA Officers are members of. When we put out the invitation we ask for RSVPs so that the Officers can put them down as guests. Our guest fees in the evenings are minimal so it shouldn't exclude anyone who wants to come.

Is this problematic? Yes, it is.

Why exactly is is problematic? It allows people who are not members of the pool (many who do not have regular access to pools in general) to come and meet kids they are going to go to school with. It gives new parents the opportunity to ask questions to returning parents. The school is over 80% FARMS and we have only had positive feedback about it. It is not sponsored by the school and the teachers who attend are mostly members of the pool as well.

If the invitation has a prominent "All Welcome" and makes clear that non-members are welcome to attend, and provides the process for getting on the guest list, that seems okay to me. But if the location given is membership only and you have to be friends with one of the officers to know that you can get a guest pass-that wouldn't be good.

The non-members have to jump through hoops the members do not. The members set themselves up as the gatekeepers permitting non-members access to their private club and to faculty/staff. The non-members have to pay.

Open the event to any child who goes to the school. No member sponsor. No guest fee. Then you can invite faculty/staff and advertise that they will be there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our PTA sponsors a meet and greet at a Private swim club most of the PTA Officers are members of. When we put out the invitation we ask for RSVPs so that the Officers can put them down as guests. Our guest fees in the evenings are minimal so it shouldn't exclude anyone who wants to come.

Is this problematic? Yes, it is.

Why exactly is is problematic? It allows people who are not members of the pool (many who do not have regular access to pools in general) to come and meet kids they are going to go to school with. It gives new parents the opportunity to ask questions to returning parents. The school is over 80% FARMS and we have only had positive feedback about it. It is not sponsored by the school and the teachers who attend are mostly members of the pool as well.

If the invitation has a prominent "All Welcome" and makes clear that non-members are welcome to attend, and provides the process for getting on the guest list, that seems okay to me. But if the location given is membership only and you have to be friends with one of the officers to know that you can get a guest pass-that wouldn't be good.

The non-members have to jump through hoops the members do not. The members set themselves up as the gatekeepers permitting non-members access to their private club and to faculty/staff. The non-members have to pay.

Open the event to any child who goes to the school. No member sponsor. No guest fee. Then you can invite faculty/staff and advertise that they will be there.

So if they asked everyone (even members) to respond to an Evite and paid the guest fee you would be ok with it? Part of the reason to request a RSVP is that folks having parties need to give the pool an approximate head count (members and guests) so that they can plan on having enough staff on board. Also if the PTA is going to serve any sort of snacks/drinks an RSVP helps.

[Anonymous]

I think it's really inappropriate and tone-deaf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's really inappropriate and tone-deaf.

Out of curiosity. Do any of the naysayers have kids in low income schools or participate in organizing PTA events?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's really inappropriate and tone-deaf.

Out of curiosity. Do any of the naysayers have kids in low income schools or participate in organizing PTA events?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here from a Title One school. What's wrong with a Back to School popsicle pool party at a swim club for the members/guests of the swim club? If it is in place of an open event held previously for everyone, that is not cool. Does the school host their own BTS event? If not, why not?

The concern is its sponsored by the school for members only so non-member kids cannot attend. Gross.

It sounds like it’s sponsored by the swim club. No reason there can’t be other meet and greets elsewhere too, but honestly the whole thing sounds like it was arranged by some pretty tone deaf people, and I’m surprised that the teachers and staff are cool with it.

+1 -- The problem here is that teachers are included, so parents and kids who can afford membership have an opportunity to socialize with teachers that excludes families and kids who can't afford membership. That's wrong. I'm a teacher (not public school) and our family belongs to a private tennis and swim club. I would not be in favor of attending this kind of event, either as a teacher or parent.