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FRI is the most relevant of the 5 main indices, as it has sections that overlap with QRI. Arithmetic test is often not administered. Kid had 19s in figure weights (part of QRI) and matrix reasoning.

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Anonymous wrote:At least my opinion is backed by my kid’s teachers and all of the test scores. Your opinions are backed by what, exactly?

We agree. You have the smartest child of anyone else. Ever.

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Anonymous wrote:At least my opinion is backed by my kid’s teachers and all of the test scores. Your opinions are backed by what, exactly?

We agree. You have the smartest child of anyone else. Ever.

Nice straw man. The only claims made were that the child is an outlier. You’re too irrational to merit a response when you’re picking a fight over whether a kid you’ve never met is an outlier.

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Anonymous wrote:At least my opinion is backed by my kid’s teachers and all of the test scores. Your opinions are backed by what, exactly?

We agree. You have the smartest child of anyone else. Ever.

Nice straw man. The only claims made were that the child is an outlier. You’re too irrational to merit a response when you’re picking a fight over whether a kid you’ve never met is an outlier.

No, it was more than that. She said others think their kids are bright but hers really is the brightest. She’s also snarky.

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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

Ding ding ding

so, I guess I’m delusional, and FCPS just accelerated my kid for no reason. I guess also, the WISC, CogAT, math achievement tests, and observations of the school math specialist are less valuable than the opinion of random idiots on dcum.

What’s delusional is you thinking your kid is the one exception and everyone else is wrong. Don’t you see that everyone thinks that?!

At my kid’s school, he is in fact the one exception. He is double grade skipped in math. No one else is. In fact, no one is even skipped ahead one grade. In this case, other parents who think their kids are outliers in math are flat out wrong. My kid, however, is defined by the school as an extreme outlier. Just because everyone thinks their kids are the exceptions doesn’t mean that there are no exceptions. Why are you struggling so much to understand that?

Double grade skipped? Does that mean he went to 4th grade aap in 3rd grade? Or 5th grade aap in 3rd grade (taking the math 6 sol)?

A month ago you claimed your ds was skipped one grade ahead in math. I’m confident it was you because of your writing style and choice of words to describe your ds’s achievement. I can see how you could consider aap math already accelerated so maybe that’s the confusion. But then I don’t know how you get algebra I in 5th.

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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

Ding ding ding

so, I guess I’m delusional, and FCPS just accelerated my kid for no reason. I guess also, the WISC, CogAT, math achievement tests, and observations of the school math specialist are less valuable than the opinion of random idiots on dcum.

What’s delusional is you thinking your kid is the one exception and everyone else is wrong. Don’t you see that everyone thinks that?!

At my kid’s school, he is in fact the one exception. He is double grade skipped in math. No one else is. In fact, no one is even skipped ahead one grade. In this case, other parents who think their kids are outliers in math are flat out wrong. My kid, however, is defined by the school as an extreme outlier. Just because everyone thinks their kids are the exceptions doesn’t mean that there are no exceptions. Why are you struggling so much to understand that?

Double grade skipped? Does that mean he went to 4th grade aap in 3rd grade? Or 5th grade aap in 3rd grade (taking the math 6 sol)?

A month ago you claimed your ds was skipped one grade ahead in math. I’m confident it was you because of your writing style and choice of words to describe your ds’s achievement. I can see how you could consider aap math already accelerated so maybe that’s the confusion. But then I don’t know how you get algebra I in 5th.

Whoever this person is, I think she has made clear in this thread that her 3rd grader was placed in 5th grade AAP math this year and next year as a 4th grader will take 6th grade AAP math. That puts the child on track for Algebra I in 5th grade. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I do think that qualifies as a legit outlier, at least as far as I’m concerned.

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It’s actually pretty unclear. I just read the last few pages of this thread. She said her ds would take 6th grade math in 4th grade. So that’s actually in 5th grade when kids take the 6th grade SOL. That would be one grade skip. I think she’s being unclear on purpose. I do think it’s unusual for a principal to agree to a skip. Not because there aren’t kids capable. There are many kids who are taking algebra in 5th grade either online or in AoPS academy or RSM. They don’t nessesarily take algebra I before 7th. It’s totally luck of the draw which schools do grade skips. And it takes a lot of advocating by the parents. In the other thread this mom sounds like a “squeaky wheel” type who is very vocal about believing kids need to pushed as far as they can go.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s actually pretty unclear. I just read the last few pages of this thread. She said her ds would take 6th grade math in 4th grade. So that’s actually in 5th grade when kids take the 6th grade SOL. That would be one grade skip. I think she’s being unclear on purpose. I do think it’s unusual for a principal to agree to a skip. Not because there aren’t kids capable. There are many kids who are taking algebra in 5th grade either online or in AoPS academy or RSM. They don’t nessesarily take algebra I before 7th. It’s totally luck of the draw which schools do grade skips. And it takes a lot of advocating by the parents. In the other thread this mom sounds like a “squeaky wheel” type who is very vocal about believing kids need to pushed as far as they can go.

My DS is in 5th grade AAP this year, and he and others actually just took 5th grade Math SOL (not 6th grade Math SOL as you assumed). There is one kid in his class has been sent to 6th grade math from beginning of the 5th grade year. So that is evidence for skipping one grade in math (just Math). But we never heard of two grade skipping.
However, kids develops with different speeds at different ages. PP's DS may be exceptional for a few years, but would he steadily progresses with that pace in the next ten years? May be, may be not. At the end of high school years, the differences between him and others may not be a big deal any more.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s actually pretty unclear. I just read the last few pages of this thread. She said her ds would take 6th grade math in 4th grade. So that’s actually in 5th grade when kids take the 6th grade SOL. That would be one grade skip. I think she’s being unclear on purpose. I do think it’s unusual for a principal to agree to a skip. Not because there aren’t kids capable. There are many kids who are taking algebra in 5th grade either online or in AoPS academy or RSM. They don’t nessesarily take algebra I before 7th. It’s totally luck of the draw which schools do grade skips. And it takes a lot of advocating by the parents. In the other thread this mom sounds like a “squeaky wheel” type who is very vocal about believing kids need to pushed as far as they can go.

My DS is in 5th grade AAP this year, and he and others actually just took 5th grade Math SOL (not 6th grade Math SOL as you assumed). There is one kid in his class has been sent to 6th grade math from beginning of the 5th grade year. So that is evidence for skipping one grade in math (just Math). But we never heard of two grade skipping.
However, kids develops with different speeds at different ages. PP's DS may be exceptional for a few years, but would he steadily progresses with that pace in the next ten years? May be, may be not. At the end of high school years, the differences between him and others may not be a big deal any more.

Kids in aap take the 6th grade math sol. It is the fifth grade one that is skipped completely. Check your records.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

I’ll go really slowly, since you seem to have a poor grasp of reality. Almost every 5th and 6th grader would be in 5th or 6th grade AAP math and on track for 7th grade algebra. My kid is in 6th grade AAP math as a 4th grader. Do you really think a kid who is that far ahead is going to repeat 6th grade math 3 times? It’s possible we would hold him back once and do 6th grade algebra. That’s still pretty rare in FCPS to even have that opportunity.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you? Clearly in your world, hitting the ceiling on WISC FRI, CogAT quantitative, and being skipped ahead 2 grades in math BY THE SCHOOL is commonplace and not at all suggestive of an outlier. Sorry that I’m delusional and didn’t notice that every AAP kid is the same as mine.

NP. To PP with math outlier kid, although this is the AAP forum and you'd think that it was a safe place to candidly discuss advanced students, people obviously are very easily triggered by anything that makes it sound like you're bragging (anonymously, which I find funny) or like your child is brighter than theirs (case in point, angry former teacher.) They will jump up and down and say you're wrong, despite all the evidence to the contrary and when that doesn't work they'll say it is because you "hothoused" him and/or none of it really matters in the long run anyway. LOL, classic DCUM. Don't sweat it, you know your child.

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NP. To PP with math outlier kid, although this is the AAP forum and you'd think that it was a safe place to candidly discuss advanced students, people obviously are very easily triggered by anything that makes it sound like you're bragging (anonymously, which I find funny) or like your child is brighter than theirs (case in point, angry former teacher.) They will jump up and down and say you're wrong, despite all the evidence to the contrary and when that doesn't work they'll say it is because you "hothoused" him and/or none of it really matters in the long run anyway. LOL, classic DCUM. Don't sweat it, you know your child.

You sound unfamiliar with the reason why Jeff created a separate AAP forum. It was not to provide a safe space to candidly discuss advanced students.

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NP. To PP with math outlier kid, although this is the AAP forum and you'd think that it was a safe place to candidly discuss advanced students, people obviously are very easily triggered by anything that makes it sound like you're bragging (anonymously, which I find funny) or like your child is brighter than theirs (case in point, angry former teacher.) They will jump up and down and say you're wrong, despite all the evidence to the contrary and when that doesn't work they'll say it is because you "hothoused" him and/or none of it really matters in the long run anyway. LOL, classic DCUM. Don't sweat it, you know your child.

You sound unfamiliar with the reason why Jeff created a separate AAP forum. It was not to provide a safe space to candidly discuss advanced students.

I cannot believe I have to break it down like this.

I did not say that this was the purpose of the creation of this forum. From what I understand, it was created bc many in the DCUM community felt that AAP dominated the VA Public Schools forum and wanted a place to discuss VA schools without constant AAP discussion.

THAT SAID, when discussing Advanced Academic Programs, inevitable discussion regarding advanced students is expected, normal, natural. AND one would THINK that you'd be able to without people getting all out of sorts and making assumptions about kids they don't even know.

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NP. To PP with math outlier kid, although this is the AAP forum and you'd think that it was a safe place to candidly discuss advanced students, people obviously are very easily triggered by anything that makes it sound like you're bragging (anonymously, which I find funny) or like your child is brighter than theirs (case in point, angry former teacher.) They will jump up and down and say you're wrong, despite all the evidence to the contrary and when that doesn't work they'll say it is because you "hothoused" him and/or none of it really matters in the long run anyway. LOL, classic DCUM. Don't sweat it, you know your child.

You sound unfamiliar with the reason why Jeff created a separate AAP forum. It was not to provide a safe space to candidly discuss advanced students.

I cannot believe I have to break it down like this.

I did not say that this was the purpose of the creation of this forum. From what I understand, it was created bc many in the DCUM community felt that AAP dominated the VA Public Schools forum and wanted a place to discuss VA schools without constant AAP discussion.

THAT SAID, when discussing Advanced Academic Programs, inevitable discussion regarding advanced students is expected, normal, natural. AND one would THINK that you'd be able to without people getting all out of sorts and making assumptions about kids they don't even know.

Jeff created a separate AAP forum because proponents and opponents of AAP are all crazy. He gave us a place to contain the crazy, away from the regular VA Schools posters. Of course any discussion would include people getting all out of sorts and making assumptions. Often much worse than that.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

I’ll go really slowly, since you seem to have a poor grasp of reality. Almost every 5th and 6th grader would be in 5th or 6th grade AAP math and on track for 7th grade algebra. My kid is in 6th grade AAP math as a 4th grader. Do you really think a kid who is that far ahead is going to repeat 6th grade math 3 times? It’s possible we would hold him back once and do 6th grade algebra. That’s still pretty rare in FCPS to even have that opportunity.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you? Clearly in your world, hitting the ceiling on WISC FRI, CogAT quantitative, and being skipped ahead 2 grades in math BY THE SCHOOL is commonplace and not at all suggestive of an outlier. Sorry that I’m delusional and didn’t notice that every AAP kid is the same as mine.

NP. To PP with math outlier kid, although this is the AAP forum and you'd think that it was a safe place to candidly discuss advanced students, people obviously are very easily triggered by anything that makes it sound like you're bragging (anonymously, which I find funny) or like your child is brighter than theirs (case in point, angry former teacher.) They will jump up and down and say you're wrong, despite all the evidence to the contrary and when that doesn't work they'll say it is because you "hothoused" him and/or none of it really matters in the long run anyway. LOL, classic DCUM. Don't sweat it, you know your child.

This isn’t sour grapes. This is other parents of gifted kids talking about peer groups and what outliers are. I don’t think kids who receive outside enrichment in elementary are nessesarily outliers. I also think AAP provides a sufficient peer group for all gifted kids. No setting is perfect for everyone. It’s public school. And there are always going to be those parents pushing for grade skips. But to teach your kid advanced math and then use that as evidence your kid has no peer group is a little delusional and grasping. Some parents want to push their kid through curriculum because that’s the only way to look advanced. It’s all about winning math contests. It’s competetive math.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

I’ll go really slowly, since you seem to have a poor grasp of reality. Almost every 5th and 6th grader would be in 5th or 6th grade AAP math and on track for 7th grade algebra. My kid is in 6th grade AAP math as a 4th grader. Do you really think a kid who is that far ahead is going to repeat 6th grade math 3 times? It’s possible we would hold him back once and do 6th grade algebra. That’s still pretty rare in FCPS to even have that opportunity.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you? Clearly in your world, hitting the ceiling on WISC FRI, CogAT quantitative, and being skipped ahead 2 grades in math BY THE SCHOOL is commonplace and not at all suggestive of an outlier. Sorry that I’m delusional and didn’t notice that every AAP kid is the same as mine.

NP. To PP with math outlier kid, although this is the AAP forum and you'd think that it was a safe place to candidly discuss advanced students, people obviously are very easily triggered by anything that makes it sound like you're bragging (anonymously, which I find funny) or like your child is brighter than theirs (case in point, angry former teacher.) They will jump up and down and say you're wrong, despite all the evidence to the contrary and when that doesn't work they'll say it is because you "hothoused" him and/or none of it really matters in the long run anyway. LOL, classic DCUM. Don't sweat it, you know your child.

This isn’t sour grapes. This is other parents of gifted kids talking about peer groups and what outliers are. I don’t think kids who receive outside enrichment in elementary are nessesarily outliers. I also think AAP provides a sufficient peer group for all gifted kids. No setting is perfect for everyone. It’s public school. And there are always going to be those parents pushing for grade skips. But to teach your kid advanced math and then use that as evidence your kid has no peer group is a little delusional and grasping. Some parents want to push their kid through curriculum because that’s the only way to look advanced. It’s all about winning math contests. It’s competetive math.

Right. What evidence do you have that PP pushed their child "to look advanced"? Are you also asserting that she/he pushed/prepped her kid for all the tests showing outlier scores? Because the child not possibly be advanced/high scoring unless heavily pushed or prepped, according to you.