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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

I’ll go really slowly, since you seem to have a poor grasp of reality. Almost every 5th and 6th grader would be in 5th or 6th grade AAP math and on track for 7th grade algebra. My kid is in 6th grade AAP math as a 4th grader. Do you really think a kid who is that far ahead is going to repeat 6th grade math 3 times? It’s possible we would hold him back once and do 6th grade algebra. That’s still pretty rare in FCPS to even have that opportunity.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you? Clearly in your world, hitting the ceiling on WISC FRI, CogAT quantitative, and being skipped ahead 2 grades in math BY THE SCHOOL is commonplace and not at all suggestive of an outlier. Sorry that I’m delusional and didn’t notice that every AAP kid is the same as mine.

NP. To PP with math outlier kid, although this is the AAP forum and you'd think that it was a safe place to candidly discuss advanced students, people obviously are very easily triggered by anything that makes it sound like you're bragging (anonymously, which I find funny) or like your child is brighter than theirs (case in point, angry former teacher.) They will jump up and down and say you're wrong, despite all the evidence to the contrary and when that doesn't work they'll say it is because you "hothoused" him and/or none of it really matters in the long run anyway. LOL, classic DCUM. Don't sweat it, you know your child.

Ha ha - the “evidence” is what she claims on this message board. Maybe it’s true and maybe it isn’t. I wouldn’t call it evidence though.

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Every time I stumble into a thread like this, I thank the lord that I do not live in Virginia. Your school system is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time I stumble into a thread like this, I thank the lord that I do not live in Virginia. Your school system is insane.

How do you stumble on a specific website for FCPS, which happens to be in the state of Virginia then? Why didn’t you accidentally stumble onto, say, a Marlyland site? Or a Florida site?

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Anonymous wrote:Every time I stumble into a thread like this, I thank the lord that I do not live in Virginia. Your school system is insane.

I have friends and family in other states. Test scores, gifted programs, all are very important there too.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time I stumble into a thread like this, I thank the lord that I do not live in Virginia. Your school system is insane.

I have friends and family in other states. Test scores, gifted programs, all are very important there too.

Then you didn’t stumble upon this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

I’ll go really slowly, since you seem to have a poor grasp of reality. Almost every 5th and 6th grader would be in 5th or 6th grade AAP math and on track for 7th grade algebra. My kid is in 6th grade AAP math as a 4th grader. Do you really think a kid who is that far ahead is going to repeat 6th grade math 3 times? It’s possible we would hold him back once and do 6th grade algebra. That’s still pretty rare in FCPS to even have that opportunity.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you? Clearly in your world, hitting the ceiling on WISC FRI, CogAT quantitative, and being skipped ahead 2 grades in math BY THE SCHOOL is commonplace and not at all suggestive of an outlier. Sorry that I’m delusional and didn’t notice that every AAP kid is the same as mine.

NP. To PP with math outlier kid, although this is the AAP forum and you'd think that it was a safe place to candidly discuss advanced students, people obviously are very easily triggered by anything that makes it sound like you're bragging (anonymously, which I find funny) or like your child is brighter than theirs (case in point, angry former teacher.) They will jump up and down and say you're wrong, despite all the evidence to the contrary and when that doesn't work they'll say it is because you "hothoused" him and/or none of it really matters in the long run anyway. LOL, classic DCUM. Don't sweat it, you know your child.

This isn’t sour grapes. This is other parents of gifted kids talking about peer groups and what outliers are. I don’t think kids who receive outside enrichment in elementary are nessesarily outliers. I also think AAP provides a sufficient peer group for all gifted kids. No setting is perfect for everyone. It’s public school. And there are always going to be those parents pushing for grade skips. But to teach your kid advanced math and then use that as evidence your kid has no peer group is a little delusional and grasping. Some parents want to push their kid through curriculum because that’s the only way to look advanced. It’s all about winning math contests. It’s competetive math.

Right. What evidence do you have that PP pushed their child "to look advanced"? Are you also asserting that she/he pushed/prepped her kid for all the tests showing outlier scores? Because the child not possibly be advanced/high scoring unless heavily pushed or prepped, according to you.

I think you are obsessed with this word, “outlier”. It doesn’t matter if you did or didn’t. The waters are murky because it’s so easy to prep and do outside enrichment so saying “my kid is one year ahead in math” isn’t enough for an “outlier” status. AAP is full of kids with index scores above 145. Many, many kids in AAP are more than 2 years ahead in math without acceleration. And it’s not unvommon for kids taking algebra in 6th. It’s not uncommon for kids to take algebra through Aops is 5th! You are coming across as someone who desperately needs your kid to be “better” than normal AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

I’ll go really slowly, since you seem to have a poor grasp of reality. Almost every 5th and 6th grader would be in 5th or 6th grade AAP math and on track for 7th grade algebra. My kid is in 6th grade AAP math as a 4th grader. Do you really think a kid who is that far ahead is going to repeat 6th grade math 3 times? It’s possible we would hold him back once and do 6th grade algebra. That’s still pretty rare in FCPS to even have that opportunity.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you? Clearly in your world, hitting the ceiling on WISC FRI, CogAT quantitative, and being skipped ahead 2 grades in math BY THE SCHOOL is commonplace and not at all suggestive of an outlier. Sorry that I’m delusional and didn’t notice that every AAP kid is the same as mine.

NP. To PP with math outlier kid, although this is the AAP forum and you'd think that it was a safe place to candidly discuss advanced students, people obviously are very easily triggered by anything that makes it sound like you're bragging (anonymously, which I find funny) or like your child is brighter than theirs (case in point, angry former teacher.) They will jump up and down and say you're wrong, despite all the evidence to the contrary and when that doesn't work they'll say it is because you "hothoused" him and/or none of it really matters in the long run anyway. LOL, classic DCUM. Don't sweat it, you know your child.

This isn’t sour grapes. This is other parents of gifted kids talking about peer groups and what outliers are. I don’t think kids who receive outside enrichment in elementary are nessesarily outliers. I also think AAP provides a sufficient peer group for all gifted kids. No setting is perfect for everyone. It’s public school. And there are always going to be those parents pushing for grade skips. But to teach your kid advanced math and then use that as evidence your kid has no peer group is a little delusional and grasping. Some parents want to push their kid through curriculum because that’s the only way to look advanced. It’s all about winning math contests. It’s competetive math.

Right. What evidence do you have that PP pushed their child "to look advanced"? Are you also asserting that she/he pushed/prepped her kid for all the tests showing outlier scores? Because the child not possibly be advanced/high scoring unless heavily pushed or prepped, according to you.

I think you are obsessed with this word, “outlier”. It doesn’t matter if you did or didn’t. The waters are murky because it’s so easy to prep and do outside enrichment so saying “my kid is one year ahead in math” isn’t enough for an “outlier” status. AAP is full of kids with index scores above 145. Many, many kids in AAP are more than 2 years ahead in math without acceleration. And it’s not unvommon for kids taking algebra in 6th. It’s not uncommon for kids to take algebra through Aops is 5th! You are coming across as someone who desperately needs your kid to be “better” than normal AAP.

I'm not even the poster with the advanced/outlier/pick a word kid. I was just pointing out how easily people are triggered and pounce on a poster who says their child is an outlier. There seems to be this need for others to jump and insist that a child they no nothing is not/could not possibly be. It is amusing.

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Kids at my AAP center are bright, but not as gifted or advanced as the kids in PP’s center. PP, are you in McLean? If not, I doubt there are that many kids above 145.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids at my AAP center are bright, but not as gifted or advanced as the kids in PP’s center. PP, are you in McLean? If not, I doubt there are that many kids above 145.

What an ignorant thing to say. You're basing this off zip code? You have no way to tell anyone's IQ unless you see their scores. Pretty sure most people would guess my kids are average at best, not even gifted because we're black and neither DH nor I went to college. We own a business. Both my kids took a WISC because we had to appeal for AAP for both of them (one took WISC-IV and one took WISC-V based on when they took it) and both scored over 150.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids at my AAP center are bright, but not as gifted or advanced as the kids in PP’s center. PP, are you in McLean? If not, I doubt there are that many kids above 145.

What an ignorant thing to say. You're basing this off zip code? You have no way to tell anyone's IQ unless you see their scores. Pretty sure most people would guess my kids are average at best, not even gifted because we're black and neither DH nor I went to college. We own a business. Both my kids took a WISC because we had to appeal for AAP for both of them (one took WISC-IV and one took WISC-V based on when they took it) and both scored over 150.

I agree.

1. You cannot possibly know the IQ score for every child in your DS’s school.

2. Even if you did—these numbers are not as perfect and fixed as you think they are. So judging by a number is stupid.

The pp who keeps bringing up a high FRI and quantitative score is really showing all her cards. Her kid has been accelerated in math. Probably for a long time. At home. So that will cause quantitative scores to be high. Does this kid have a 99.9 VCI? No. Is his FSIQ above 145? No. I get what mom is saying about him being particularly good at math and being an outlier in that regard. It doesn’t matter if he was prepped or not. But he has peers who are smarter than him. It’s delusional to think he doesn’t. Her kid isn’t doing calculus in 3rd grade. He’s been studying math a few grades ahead. AAP brings together many smart kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids at my AAP center are bright, but not as gifted or advanced as the kids in PP’s center. PP, are you in McLean? If not, I doubt there are that many kids above 145.

What an ignorant thing to say. You're basing this off zip code? You have no way to tell anyone's IQ unless you see their scores. Pretty sure most people would guess my kids are average at best, not even gifted because we're black and neither DH nor I went to college. We own a business. Both my kids took a WISC because we had to appeal for AAP for both of them (one took WISC-IV and one took WISC-V based on when they took it) and both scored over 150.

NP, and high test scores do tend to correlate with income/socio-economic status, therefore sometimes zip code. Doesn't mean there aren't exceptions and doesn't mean that they are more intelligent than low income kids, but typically test better for a variety of reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids at my AAP center are bright, but not as gifted or advanced as the kids in PP’s center. PP, are you in McLean? If not, I doubt there are that many kids above 145.

What an ignorant thing to say. You're basing this off zip code? You have no way to tell anyone's IQ unless you see their scores. Pretty sure most people would guess my kids are average at best, not even gifted because we're black and neither DH nor I went to college. We own a business. Both my kids took a WISC because we had to appeal for AAP for both of them (one took WISC-IV and one took WISC-V based on when they took it) and both scored over 150.

I agree.

1. You cannot possibly know the IQ score for every child in your DS’s school.

2. Even if you did—these numbers are not as perfect and fixed as you think they are. So judging by a number is stupid.

The pp who keeps bringing up a high FRI and quantitative score is really showing all her cards. Her kid has been accelerated in math. Probably for a long time. At home. So that will cause quantitative scores to be high. Does this kid have a 99.9 VCI? No. Is his FSIQ above 145? No. I get what mom is saying about him being particularly good at math and being an outlier in that regard. It doesn’t matter if he was prepped or not. But he has peers who are smarter than him. It’s delusional to think he doesn’t. Her kid isn’t doing calculus in 3rd grade. He’s been studying math a few grades ahead. AAP brings together many smart kids.

Being is two years ahead in math curriculum is pretty standard for AAP crowd, especially with tutoring. Kids who are doing calculus in 3rd grade are the “outliers”.

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OP, don't worry about your child being identified at this early age. none of my children were 'identified' as anything and all three of them got into AAP because of their test scores. I never put any trust in the teachers to 'identify' my children, i just took them to GMU for IQ tests and then I knew whether or not to advocate for them. FWIW, oldest was the least 'identified'. 2nd grade teacher told me she was worried bc DC never answered any questions in class. DC is now a senior at TJ. Just rely on your own instincts, as I did, for knowing your own children.

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This thread took a different turn, at some point, unrelated to me. LOL.

Here is my update.

1) I actually attended the AAP information session and asked if parents receive a letter if the kid has been flagged for Level II. I was told, NO, they don't send letters about that anymore at our school.

2) I had the fall parent / teacher conference and was told the child already vastly understands the 1st grade concepts so the teacher is providing enrichment. (I learned some new info about what they were doing in school, and as a result, felt like the teacher was providing nice differentiation, which was a nice "surprise"). I suppose that might have been the appropriate time to ask about Level II but because I am loser, I felt scared to ask and nothing was offered up on the topic.

3) Now I will wait and see if the report card says anything.