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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

Ding ding ding

so, I guess I’m delusional, and FCPS just accelerated my kid for no reason. I guess also, the WISC, CogAT, math achievement tests, and observations of the school math specialist are less valuable than the opinion of random idiots on dcum.

What’s delusional is you thinking your kid is the one exception and everyone else is wrong. Don’t you see that everyone thinks that?!

At my kid’s school, he is in fact the one exception. He is double grade skipped in math. No one else is. In fact, no one is even skipped ahead one grade. In this case, other parents who think their kids are outliers in math are flat out wrong. My kid, however, is defined by the school as an extreme outlier. Just because everyone thinks their kids are the exceptions doesn’t mean that there are no exceptions. Why are you struggling so much to understand that?

NP. If you think the best kid in math in each grade at each school is an outlier or has no peer group you're just wrong.

First of all, that's just the kid who has had the most hothousing at home. It's the kid who has a "mathy" parent--usually it's the dad. Usually the kid is male and the dad loves to think his son is a chip off the old block and looks for every example of his son being "mathy" as well. Dad is obsessed with math contests etc. Or it's the kid whose mom is a teacher who takes an interest in making her child look advanced in math. Or it's the kid who has been doing weekend school since she was 3. Only rarely is it the kid who figured out algebra on his own in preschool but gets no enrichment.

Its not really fair to hothouse your kid and then complain about peer group. And it's under the guise of "my kid just demands harder math" or "it's only right that he's challenged" or whatever. And then it's "well, my child was deemed an outlier and advanced 2 grades in math." Nothing about how he was taught those two years of math early at home or in Russian school of math. There isn't anything terrible about working ahead in math (and it really easy to do this in early elementary), but to then complain about peer group...

Sit your kid down with the next highest math kid in his class and watch them attack a novel problem and you'd be surprised.

A kid who enters first grade reading at a 6th grade level doesn't go to 6th grade. Somehow he works with his peers and survives. A somehow the other kids catch up.

Yes, there are outliers! But the 7yo doing long division or the 9yo doing systems of equations isn't one. I personally know a few of these kids, and they are bright kids who were pushed ahead in math. Some were grade skipped. Some were not. For the most part they evened out.

Just keep piling on those assumptions, bitter former teacher. Clearly you know more than the math specialist at school who has worked extensively with my kid. Also, clearly you know better than the psych who administered my kid’s WISC (kid hit ceiling in FRI sections).

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^ I also don’t think the best kid in each grade is an outlier. I think the one kid that they chose to grade skip in math when they pretty much never do that is an outlier. Again, why is this hard for people to understand?

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I’m the Np quoted above not the former teacher you’ve been talking to. I’m a parent of a gifted kid who is like your ds. Nothing you’ve written is something my child hasn’t achieved. It’s just not “outlier” territory. I lurk on DYS and most of that is the same: parents pushing gifted kids 2-3 years ahead. I can’t get excited about it (and my child is the same in math, further ahead in reading) when it’s the norm for average kids in other countries.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the Np quoted above not the former teacher you’ve been talking to. I’m a parent of a gifted kid who is like your ds. Nothing you’ve written is something my child hasn’t achieved. It’s just not “outlier” territory. I lurk on DYS and most of that is the same: parents pushing gifted kids 2-3 years ahead. I can’t get excited about it (and my child is the same in math, further ahead in reading) when it’s the norm for average kids in other countries.

DYS kids are outlier kids. Not prodigies but outliers.

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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

Ding ding ding

so, I guess I’m delusional, and FCPS just accelerated my kid for no reason. I guess also, the WISC, CogAT, math achievement tests, and observations of the school math specialist are less valuable than the opinion of random idiots on dcum.

What’s delusional is you thinking your kid is the one exception and everyone else is wrong. Don’t you see that everyone thinks that?!

At my kid’s school, he is in fact the one exception. He is double grade skipped in math. No one else is. In fact, no one is even skipped ahead one grade. In this case, other parents who think their kids are outliers in math are flat out wrong. My kid, however, is defined by the school as an extreme outlier. Just because everyone thinks their kids are the exceptions doesn’t mean that there are no exceptions. Why are you struggling so much to understand that?

NP. If you think the best kid in math in each grade at each school is an outlier or has no peer group you're just wrong.

First of all, that's just the kid who has had the most hothousing at home. It's the kid who has a "mathy" parent--usually it's the dad. Usually the kid is male and the dad loves to think his son is a chip off the old block and looks for every example of his son being "mathy" as well. Dad is obsessed with math contests etc. Or it's the kid whose mom is a teacher who takes an interest in making her child look advanced in math. Or it's the kid who has been doing weekend school since she was 3. Only rarely is it the kid who figured out algebra on his own in preschool but gets no enrichment.

Its not really fair to hothouse your kid and then complain about peer group. And it's under the guise of "my kid just demands harder math" or "it's only right that he's challenged" or whatever. And then it's "well, my child was deemed an outlier and advanced 2 grades in math." Nothing about how he was taught those two years of math early at home or in Russian school of math. There isn't anything terrible about working ahead in math (and it really easy to do this in early elementary), but to then complain about peer group...

Sit your kid down with the next highest math kid in his class and watch them attack a novel problem and you'd be surprised.

A kid who enters first grade reading at a 6th grade level doesn't go to 6th grade. Somehow he works with his peers and survives. A somehow the other kids catch up.

Yes, there are outliers! But the 7yo doing long division or the 9yo doing systems of equations isn't one. I personally know a few of these kids, and they are bright kids who were pushed ahead in math. Some were grade skipped. Some were not. For the most part they evened out.

Just keep piling on those assumptions, bitter former teacher. Clearly you know more than the math specialist at school who has worked extensively with my kid. Also, clearly you know better than the psych who administered my kid’s WISC (kid hit ceiling in FRI sections).

I’m the former teacher and haven’t even posted in while. These are all different people. I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right... always, always right.

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Anonymous wrote:Please, don’t you get it? Everyone has the best math and reading kid. That’s evident.

Yeah, but a few kids actually are the best at math or reading. People on this forum don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That was the point of my post. Everyone here thinks her kid is the top or gifted or testing above grade level or has no peer group or.... Obviously that can’t be. I mean - the other parents must all be mistaken. After all, the teacher told me so, the tests say so, my kid says he’s bored, my kid hasn’t learned a thing all year...

PP here. Considering that FCPS has accelerated my child to be on track for 5th grade algebra, I can pretty safely say that my kid has no peer group in math in his grade at his school. I agree, though, that many FCPS parents are delusional and have over inflated views of their kids’ intelligence. If teachers, IQ tests, and achievement tests all agree that a kid is an outlier, then the kid probably is an outlier.

How does that work? Algebra I in 5th grade? Is that for high school credit? This doesn’t seem wise unless he’s actually skipped. But I don’t reccomend that IME.

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PP with math gifted kid here: Cool. I’ll be sure to inform the school that they incorrectly identified my kid as an outlier with no peer group (school’s words), and that they incorrectly grade skipped him in math. After all, if random dcum people say so, they must be right and the school must be wrong

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To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

I’ll go really slowly, since you seem to have a poor grasp of reality. Almost every 5th and 6th grader would be in 5th or 6th grade AAP math and on track for 7th grade algebra. My kid is in 6th grade AAP math as a 4th grader. Do you really think a kid who is that far ahead is going to repeat 6th grade math 3 times? It’s possible we would hold him back once and do 6th grade algebra. That’s still pretty rare in FCPS to even have that opportunity.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you? Clearly in your world, hitting the ceiling on WISC FRI, CogAT quantitative, and being skipped ahead 2 grades in math BY THE SCHOOL is commonplace and not at all suggestive of an outlier. Sorry that I’m delusional and didn’t notice that every AAP kid is the same as mine.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the Np quoted above not the former teacher you’ve been talking to. I’m a parent of a gifted kid who is like your ds. Nothing you’ve written is something my child hasn’t achieved. It’s just not “outlier” territory. I lurk on DYS and most of that is the same: parents pushing gifted kids 2-3 years ahead. I can’t get excited about it (and my child is the same in math, further ahead in reading) when it’s the norm for average kids in other countries.

DYS kids are outlier kids. Not prodigies but outliers.

No kidding. 3 standard deviations above the norm is an outlier. Also, if your kid’s appropriate instructional level is high enough that he can’t be grouped with anyone else in the grade, that kid is by definition an outlier.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

I’ll go really slowly, since you seem to have a poor grasp of reality. Almost every 5th and 6th grader would be in 5th or 6th grade AAP math and on track for 7th grade algebra. My kid is in 6th grade AAP math as a 4th grader. Do you really think a kid who is that far ahead is going to repeat 6th grade math 3 times? It’s possible we would hold him back once and do 6th grade algebra. That’s still pretty rare in FCPS to even have that opportunity.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you? Clearly in your world, hitting the ceiling on WISC FRI, CogAT quantitative, and being skipped ahead 2 grades in math BY THE SCHOOL is commonplace and not at all suggestive of an outlier. Sorry that I’m delusional and didn’t notice that every AAP kid is the same as mine.

I’m not the pp who doesn’t think he’s on track for algebra or whatever. I just think it’s weird how you frame things. Say he was skipped from 3rd grade math to 5th grade math a few months ago. You may as well be predicting 10th grade calculus at this point.

Also, it’s the QRI that predicts math ability on the WISC.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair pp, you keep saying on track for algebra I in 5th. Your kid sounds young and not actually in 5th grade yet. It’s weird wording.

Sorry that you find the wording weird. He joined the 5th grade AAP class for math as a 3rd grader. He will join 6th grade class next year.

This does not mean he is on track for algebra. Otherwise every 5th and 6th grader in aap would be in algebra. Oh wait, you’re always right. My mistake.

I’ll go really slowly, since you seem to have a poor grasp of reality. Almost every 5th and 6th grader would be in 5th or 6th grade AAP math and on track for 7th grade algebra. My kid is in 6th grade AAP math as a 4th grader. Do you really think a kid who is that far ahead is going to repeat 6th grade math 3 times? It’s possible we would hold him back once and do 6th grade algebra. That’s still pretty rare in FCPS to even have that opportunity.

But why am I even bothering to argue with you? Clearly in your world, hitting the ceiling on WISC FRI, CogAT quantitative, and being skipped ahead 2 grades in math BY THE SCHOOL is commonplace and not at all suggestive of an outlier. Sorry that I’m delusional and didn’t notice that every AAP kid is the same as mine.

Thanks so much for slowing it down for me.

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At least my opinion is backed by my kid’s teachers and all of the test scores. Your opinions are backed by what, exactly?