"we can't have laws because criminals will just break them"

[Anonymous]

Let's look at the failures here, as this kid was screaming "I'm going to kill" both literally and figuratively and was not taken seriously

1) enjoyed killing animals
2) in trouble with the law over 30X
3) expelled from school, could not bring a backpack because he brought bullets in it to school.
4) students thought if anyone was going to do this, it would be him
5) two people told the FBI on two different occasions. The FBI not only dropped the ball, they had to publicly apologize for dropping the ball
6) the killer SAID he was going to be school shooter.

The kid, on some level, wanted to be stopped. The FBI could have investigated further and didn't. Did the local police? Did they know? One armed officer in school over 3K is not even protection, so don't go there. It's like you locking your front door and leaving all other doors open. You have to secure the perimeter, and consider arrival and dismissal time as particularly high-risk.

The Cruz kids were adopted and had emotional issues when adopted, probably due to a horrendous upbringing prior. That's where sociopathy starts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:you people arguing for the status quo sound insane. moreover, you sound like losers who are going to find themselves out of office as soon as these kids come of age.

but please, by all means, keep on shouting. keep on being unreasonable. keep on not listening.

your assh*le in chief goes to nightclubs while kids go to funerals. you've read about marie antoinette, i assume?

I don't get the reference, or the meaning.

There is an out of touch government that is focused on its own comfort and pleasure, and this will be its downfall. I thought the reference was pretty clear.

When I looked at Hillary, I saw someone who could walk on kittens to keep her shoes from getting muddy. Her whole campaign was "I'm with Her." Yeah, that's great. Trump's was making America great, not having people worship him. And since he's been in office that's what he's been doing, putting ordinary Americans first instead of taking orders from Citibank:
https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

Trump isn't out of touch, you are. You can't understand why there are 400 million guns in this country. It's unfathomable to you. Or why people voted for a guy who said he was going to put them first. That's out of touch.

Okey doke. Well I guess we'll see whose interpretation of the current situation is right, in November!

I guess we will. Tom Perez seems more interested in teaching teens new curse words than winning elections though. And not a single Democrat voted for those bumps in everyones' paychecks that people seem to like so much (what Nancy Pelosi keeps calling "crumbs"). In fact, they're talking about how much they want to undo them. Again, out of touch.

I watched the 2016 election live. I saw how Hillary had a 98.1% chance of winning on election day. In case you forgot:
https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/795663593689808896

You believe your polls. Heck, even extrapolate a few special elections. My take, you have a 98.1% chance of being right.

My take: you and your pussy grabbing president are going to see like pathetic historical relics before too long.

IDGAF if you agree with me or want to keep hurling insults at me and every other women who comes before you. In fact, I'd rather you keep talking, because I think it is a good reminder to everyone just how disgusting Trump lovers are and how much we need to get out the vote to make sure you aren't the ones in charge anymore.

He'll be impeached any day now. Unless Jill Stein has another recount, or the "faithless electors" prevent him from getting enough electoral college votes. Or maybe they'll show how he really, truly "colluded" (which isn't a crime btw - ask Hillary) with Russia. Trump and his cronies are working on borrowed time. They'll be out any day now. Just like CNN's year-long MH370 coverage was totally effective at finding it, and not about getting the rubes to keep tuning in.

Since you seem to be bothered by “collusion,” we can all agree that the proper term is conspiracy. Conspiracy to launder money. Conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws. Conspiracy to violate the Hatch Act. Conspiracy to obstruct justice.

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Anonymous wrote:you people arguing for the status quo sound insane. moreover, you sound like losers who are going to find themselves out of office as soon as these kids come of age.

but please, by all means, keep on shouting. keep on being unreasonable. keep on not listening.

your assh*le in chief goes to nightclubs while kids go to funerals. you've read about marie antoinette, i assume?

I don't get the reference, or the meaning.

I think pp was advocating killing everyone she doesn't agree with politically.

Why are liberals so violent?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-liberals-antifa-violence-20170718-story.htm

Don't forget the liberal professor who advocated drowning all conservative students or the liberal stidents who beat up a white guy because he refused to leave campus ,per liberal dictate, for "no whites day" on campus.

Race wars - that's another winning strategy here, Republicans! And can you believe those uppity NFL players and LeBron? Who does he think he is having an opinion on anything other than basketball?

Man, I am just so impressed with how well you're taking the temperature of the current climate. Not that the temperature's gone up. Climate change is a hoax!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's look at the failures here, as this kid was screaming "I'm going to kill" both literally and figuratively and was not taken seriously

1) enjoyed killing animals
2) in trouble with the law over 30X
3) expelled from school, could not bring a backpack because he brought bullets in it to school.
4) students thought if anyone was going to do this, it would be him
5) two people told the FBI on two different occasions. The FBI not only dropped the ball, they had to publicly apologize for dropping the ball
6) the killer SAID he was going to be school shooter.

The kid, on some level, wanted to be stopped. The FBI could have investigated further and didn't. Did the local police? Did they know? One armed officer in school over 3K is not even protection, so don't go there. It's like you locking your front door and leaving all other doors open. You have to secure the perimeter, and consider arrival and dismissal time as particularly high-risk.

The Cruz kids were adopted and had emotional issues when adopted, probably due to a horrendous upbringing prior. That's where sociopathy starts.

And, according to WAPO today, Florida social worker went to house to investigate (after gun threats) and determined that he was not a danger.

The problem is what you do when a kid is a sociopath or psychopath.
Where do you put him?
How do you help him? Some say that we need more counselors in the schools. That may be, but this kid was "getting help" from counselors and other mental health workers. He was placed in a school for troubled youth for two years--and was sent back to the regular school. Was he determined to have become untroubled? He was shortly expelled from the regular school.

One thing for sure, he should not have been able to purchase a gun--but, he was on no list. And, how do you prevent someone like this from making a bomb? Setting a fire? Running a car into a crowd?

This kid needed to be in a safe, secure place--safe for him and away from others. We used to have those places. No more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:you people arguing for the status quo sound insane. moreover, you sound like losers who are going to find themselves out of office as soon as these kids come of age.

but please, by all means, keep on shouting. keep on being unreasonable. keep on not listening.

your assh*le in chief goes to nightclubs while kids go to funerals. you've read about marie antoinette, i assume?

I don't get the reference, or the meaning.

I think pp was advocating killing everyone she doesn't agree with politically.

Why are liberals so violent?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-liberals-antifa-violence-20170718-story.htm

Don't forget the liberal professor who advocated drowning all conservative students or the liberal stidents who beat up a white guy because he refused to leave campus ,per liberal dictate, for "no whites day" on campus.

Race wars - that's another winning strategy here, Republicans! And can you believe those uppity NFL players and LeBron? Who does he think he is having an opinion on anything other than basketball?

Man, I am just so impressed with how well you're taking the temperature of the current climate. Not that the temperature's gone up. Climate change is a hoax!

You're right.....race wars is the only winning strategy that Democrats have. But when they take it to ridiculous extremes - like kicking all whites off campus and attacking any white who doesn't go along with it - it backfires.

Another example is Pelosi's description of Trump's very reasonable DACA fix as "the plan to make America white again." The ON!Y way the Dems will win is by getting blacks to turn out, and they do they by scaring them I to believing this crap. That's also why we hear these ridiculous comparisoms of Trump being like Hitler.

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Anonymous wrote:you people arguing for the status quo sound insane. moreover, you sound like losers who are going to find themselves out of office as soon as these kids come of age.

but please, by all means, keep on shouting. keep on being unreasonable. keep on not listening.

your assh*le in chief goes to nightclubs while kids go to funerals. you've read about marie antoinette, i assume?

I don't get the reference, or the meaning.

There is an out of touch government that is focused on its own comfort and pleasure, and this will be its downfall. I thought the reference was pretty clear.

When I looked at Hillary, I saw someone who could walk on kittens to keep her shoes from getting muddy. Her whole campaign was "I'm with Her." Yeah, that's great. Trump's was making America great, not having people worship him. And since he's been in office that's what he's been doing, putting ordinary Americans first instead of taking orders from Citibank:
https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

Trump isn't out of touch, you are. You can't understand why there are 400 million guns in this country. It's unfathomable to you. Or why people voted for a guy who said he was going to put them first. That's out of touch.

Okey doke. Well I guess we'll see whose interpretation of the current situation is right, in November!

I guess we will. Tom Perez seems more interested in teaching teens new curse words than winning elections though. And not a single Democrat voted for those bumps in everyones' paychecks that people seem to like so much (what Nancy Pelosi keeps calling "crumbs"). In fact, they're talking about how much they want to undo them. Again, out of touch.

I watched the 2016 election live. I saw how Hillary had a 98.1% chance of winning on election day. In case you forgot:
https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/795663593689808896

You believe your polls. Heck, even extrapolate a few special elections. My take, you have a 98.1% chance of being right.

My take: you and your pussy grabbing president are going to see like pathetic historical relics before too long.

IDGAF if you agree with me or want to keep hurling insults at me and every other women who comes before you. In fact, I'd rather you keep talking, because I think it is a good reminder to everyone just how disgusting Trump lovers are and how much we need to get out the vote to make sure you aren't the ones in charge anymore.

He'll be impeached any day now. Unless Jill Stein has another recount, or the "faithless electors" prevent him from getting enough electoral college votes. Or maybe they'll show how he really, truly "colluded" (which isn't a crime btw - ask Hillary) with Russia. Trump and his cronies are working on borrowed time. They'll be out any day now. Just like CNN's year-long MH370 coverage was totally effective at finding it, and not about getting the rubes to keep tuning in.

Since you seem to be bothered by “collusion,” we can all agree that the proper term is conspiracy. Conspiracy to launder money. Conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws. Conspiracy to violate the Hatch Act. Conspiracy to obstruct justice.

This time they'll get him! Any day now!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:you people arguing for the status quo sound insane. moreover, you sound like losers who are going to find themselves out of office as soon as these kids come of age.

but please, by all means, keep on shouting. keep on being unreasonable. keep on not listening.

your assh*le in chief goes to nightclubs while kids go to funerals. you've read about marie antoinette, i assume?

I don't get the reference, or the meaning.

I think pp was advocating killing everyone she doesn't agree with politically.

Why are liberals so violent?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-liberals-antifa-violence-20170718-story.htm

Don't forget the liberal professor who advocated drowning all conservative students or the liberal stidents who beat up a white guy because he refused to leave campus ,per liberal dictate, for "no whites day" on campus.

Race wars - that's another winning strategy here, Republicans! And can you believe those uppity NFL players and LeBron? Who does he think he is having an opinion on anything other than basketball?

Man, I am just so impressed with how well you're taking the temperature of the current climate. Not that the temperature's gone up. Climate change is a hoax!

Unbelievable. You didn't respond to the horrible attitudes and behavior of liberals in the post...you instead come up with your race-baiting NFL "uppity" shit. Exactly who is stirring race problems here?!

And sorry. If people do something I find horrible, I should not have to refrain from criticizing it just because some of the people doing it are black. The liberals have gotten so crazy that we're not allowed to criticize any bad behavior if it's committed by a black person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's look at the failures here, as this kid was screaming "I'm going to kill" both literally and figuratively and was not taken seriously

1) enjoyed killing animals
2) in trouble with the law over 30X
3) expelled from school, could not bring a backpack because he brought bullets in it to school.
4) students thought if anyone was going to do this, it would be him
5) two people told the FBI on two different occasions. The FBI not only dropped the ball, they had to publicly apologize for dropping the ball
6) the killer SAID he was going to be school shooter.

The kid, on some level, wanted to be stopped. The FBI could have investigated further and didn't. Did the local police? Did they know? One armed officer in school over 3K is not even protection, so don't go there. It's like you locking your front door and leaving all other doors open. You have to secure the perimeter, and consider arrival and dismissal time as particularly high-risk.

The Cruz kids were adopted and had emotional issues when adopted, probably due to a horrendous upbringing prior. That's where sociopathy starts.

And, according to WAPO today, Florida social worker went to house to investigate (after gun threats) and determined that he was not a danger.

The problem is what you do when a kid is a sociopath or psychopath.
Where do you put him?
How do you help him? Some say that we need more counselors in the schools. That may be, but this kid was "getting help" from counselors and other mental health workers. He was placed in a school for troubled youth for two years--and was sent back to the regular school. Was he determined to have become untroubled? He was shortly expelled from the regular school.

One thing for sure, he should not have been able to purchase a gun--but, he was on no list. And, how do you prevent someone like this from making a bomb? Setting a fire? Running a car into a crowd?

Funny story about that:

Anonymous wrote:
This kid needed to be in a safe, secure place--safe for him and away from others. We used to have those places. No more.

Yeah, liberals thought it was "unfair" or whatever to have crazies locked away from the rest of society. Now they're mostly living on the street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's look at the failures here, as this kid was screaming "I'm going to kill" both literally and figuratively and was not taken seriously

1) enjoyed killing animals
2) in trouble with the law over 30X
3) expelled from school, could not bring a backpack because he brought bullets in it to school.
4) students thought if anyone was going to do this, it would be him
5) two people told the FBI on two different occasions. The FBI not only dropped the ball, they had to publicly apologize for dropping the ball
6) the killer SAID he was going to be school shooter.

The kid, on some level, wanted to be stopped. The FBI could have investigated further and didn't. Did the local police? Did they know? One armed officer in school over 3K is not even protection, so don't go there. It's like you locking your front door and leaving all other doors open. You have to secure the perimeter, and consider arrival and dismissal time as particularly high-risk.

The Cruz kids were adopted and had emotional issues when adopted, probably due to a horrendous upbringing prior. That's where sociopathy starts.

And, according to WAPO today, Florida social worker went to house to investigate (after gun threats) and determined that he was not a danger.

The problem is what you do when a kid is a sociopath or psychopath.
Where do you put him?
How do you help him? Some say that we need more counselors in the schools. That may be, but this kid was "getting help" from counselors and other mental health workers. He was placed in a school for troubled youth for two years--and was sent back to the regular school. Was he determined to have become untroubled? He was shortly expelled from the regular school.

One thing for sure, he should not have been able to purchase a gun--but, he was on no list. And, how do you prevent someone like this from making a bomb? Setting a fire? Running a car into a crowd?

This kid needed to be in a safe, secure place--safe for him and away from others. We used to have those places. No more.

He had to have been able to present himself as sane (as sociopaths do). Gun shops can refuse to sell a gun to someone if they see that person as unstable. I can see the point of a list, but the question then becomes how do you form one because it's taking away a constitutional right? I guess we start with amount and quality of police encounters - that would help.

My feeling is in this case, the FBI's dropping of the ball is HUGE. The local police department AND the school could have beefed up security. In this case, law enforcement failed "big league". That's REALLY bad, as evidenced by the FBI having to face the nation and apologize.

And no, you can't stop such an individual from targeting people in other, lethal ways. The problem with institutionalizing a sociopath, is they aren't detached from reality in the way a true psychopath is. If someone would commit the same crime(s) in front of a police officer, well then it's easy, right? The way to stop a kid like this is take lesser crimes VERY seriously. We don't do this. For instance, most rapists/sex killers start out as peeping toms and progress to rape at the very least. Recognizing the significance of the earlier crimes in regards to statistical progression is very important. Treating/incarcerating at that point might be necessary.

[Anonymous]

Yup, kid was troubled and all sorts of warning signs.

Yes, social services and FBI shoulda/coulda done more to intervene.

Agree, we need to better treat and address mental illness.

We still need sensible gun laws. Period. Stop deflecting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's look at the failures here, as this kid was screaming "I'm going to kill" both literally and figuratively and was not taken seriously

1) enjoyed killing animals
2) in trouble with the law over 30X
3) expelled from school, could not bring a backpack because he brought bullets in it to school.
4) students thought if anyone was going to do this, it would be him
5) two people told the FBI on two different occasions. The FBI not only dropped the ball, they had to publicly apologize for dropping the ball
6) the killer SAID he was going to be school shooter.

The kid, on some level, wanted to be stopped. The FBI could have investigated further and didn't. Did the local police? Did they know? One armed officer in school over 3K is not even protection, so don't go there. It's like you locking your front door and leaving all other doors open. You have to secure the perimeter, and consider arrival and dismissal time as particularly high-risk.

The Cruz kids were adopted and had emotional issues when adopted, probably due to a horrendous upbringing prior. That's where sociopathy starts.

And, according to WAPO today, Florida social worker went to house to investigate (after gun threats) and determined that he was not a danger.

The problem is what you do when a kid is a sociopath or psychopath.
Where do you put him?
How do you help him? Some say that we need more counselors in the schools. That may be, but this kid was "getting help" from counselors and other mental health workers. He was placed in a school for troubled youth for two years--and was sent back to the regular school. Was he determined to have become untroubled? He was shortly expelled from the regular school.

One thing for sure, he should not have been able to purchase a gun--but, he was on no list. And, how do you prevent someone like this from making a bomb? Setting a fire? Running a car into a crowd?

Funny story about that:

Anonymous wrote:
This kid needed to be in a safe, secure place--safe for him and away from others. We used to have those places. No more.

Yeah, liberals thought it was "unfair" or whatever to have crazies locked away from the rest of society. Now they're mostly living on the street.

Actually no that was Regan, he defunded a lot of Community Mental Health facilities

[Anonymous]

Also with regards to that comic strip, I would be a lot more concerned about strangling knives or baseball bats if people use them for mass murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yup, kid was troubled and all sorts of warning signs.

Yes, social services and FBI shoulda/coulda done more to intervene.

Agree, we need to better treat and address mental illness.

We still need sensible gun laws. Period. Stop deflecting.

Ok, what specific sensible gun law would have prevented this shooting? Before suggesting banning the AR-15 or standard capacity magazines, remember that the Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 people with a 15-round 9mm pistol and a 10-round .22 caliber pistol. And that a waiting period and a one-gun-a-month law didn't stop him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also with regards to that comic strip, I would be a lot more concerned about strangling knives or baseball bats if people use them for mass murder.

"33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree":
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

(China has strict gun laws)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:you people arguing for the status quo sound insane. moreover, you sound like losers who are going to find themselves out of office as soon as these kids come of age.

but please, by all means, keep on shouting. keep on being unreasonable. keep on not listening.

your assh*le in chief goes to nightclubs while kids go to funerals. you've read about marie antoinette, i assume?

I don't get the reference, or the meaning.

I think pp was advocating killing everyone she doesn't agree with politically.

Why are liberals so violent?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-liberals-antifa-violence-20170718-story.htm

Don't forget the liberal professor who advocated drowning all conservative students or the liberal stidents who beat up a white guy because he refused to leave campus ,per liberal dictate, for "no whites day" on campus.

Race wars - that's another winning strategy here, Republicans! And can you believe those uppity NFL players and LeBron? Who does he think he is having an opinion on anything other than basketball?

Man, I am just so impressed with how well you're taking the temperature of the current climate. Not that the temperature's gone up. Climate change is a hoax!

Unbelievable. You didn't respond to the horrible attitudes and behavior of liberals in the post...you instead come up with your race-baiting NFL "uppity" shit. Exactly who is stirring race problems here?!

And sorry. If people do something I find horrible, I should not have to refrain from criticizing it just because some of the people doing it are black. The liberals have gotten so crazy that we're not allowed to criticize any bad behavior if it's committed by a black person.

LOL. I guess I can't tell if you're being serious with this "what? I don't even see race, it just so happens that all the people I criticize are black!" thing or not.

Either way, man - it's sad business.