"we can't have laws because criminals will just break them"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Let's look at the failures here, as this kid was screaming "I'm going to kill" both literally and figuratively and was not taken seriously

1) enjoyed killing animals
2) in trouble with the law over 30X
3) expelled from school, could not bring a backpack because he brought bullets in it to school.
4) students thought if anyone was going to do this, it would be him
5) two people told the FBI on two different occasions. The FBI not only dropped the ball, they had to publicly apologize for dropping the ball
6) the killer SAID he was going to be school shooter.

The kid, on some level, wanted to be stopped. The FBI could have investigated further and didn't. Did the local police? Did they know? One armed officer in school over 3K is not even protection, so don't go there. It's like you locking your front door and leaving all other doors open. You have to secure the perimeter, and consider arrival and dismissal time as particularly high-risk.

The Cruz kids were adopted and had emotional issues when adopted, probably due to a horrendous upbringing prior. That's where sociopathy starts.

And, according to WAPO today, Florida social worker went to house to investigate (after gun threats) and determined that he was not a danger.

The problem is what you do when a kid is a sociopath or psychopath.
Where do you put him?
How do you help him? Some say that we need more counselors in the schools. That may be, but this kid was "getting help" from counselors and other mental health workers. He was placed in a school for troubled youth for two years--and was sent back to the regular school. Was he determined to have become untroubled? He was shortly expelled from the regular school.

One thing for sure, he should not have been able to purchase a gun--but, he was on no list. And, how do you prevent someone like this from making a bomb? Setting a fire? Running a car into a crowd?

Funny story about that:

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This kid needed to be in a safe, secure place--safe for him and away from others. We used to have those places. No more.

Yeah, liberals thought it was "unfair" or whatever to have crazies locked away from the rest of society. Now they're mostly living on the street.

Actually no that was Regan, he defunded a lot of Community Mental Health facilities

The ACLU might have something to say about you giving all the credit to Reagan..

[Anonymous]

The people Cruz was.living with are morons and bear some responsibility. They knew he was dangerous and made.him buy a gun safe but let him keep guns in his room anyway. They claim they didn't know he had a key to the.safe. WTF would you let someone like this keep a bunch of guns in your house safe or no safe in.the.first.place? Now they're trying to deny they knew he was dangerous of course they don't want to be sued but they sound like idiots anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also with regards to that comic strip, I would be a lot more concerned about strangling knives or baseball bats if people use them for mass murder.

Do you math?

From 2012:
People murdered by "Rifles" (including, but not limited to AR-15s): 322
People murdered by "Knives or cutting instruments" : 1,589
People murdered by "Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)": 518
People murdered by "Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)": 678
People murdered by "Strangulation": 89

Source:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

But let's focus on rifles because they look scary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, kid was troubled and all sorts of warning signs.

Yes, social services and FBI shoulda/coulda done more to intervene.

Agree, we need to better treat and address mental illness.

We still need sensible gun laws. Period. Stop deflecting.

Ok, what specific sensible gun law would have prevented this shooting? Before suggesting banning the AR-15 or standard capacity magazines, remember that the Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 people with a 15-round 9mm pistol and a 10-round .22 caliber pistol. And that a waiting period and a one-gun-a-month law didn't stop him.

Then let’s eliminate personal gun ownership without a license and licensing requires an extensive waiting period, a comprehensive background check, and registration.

Make it harder to buy a gun then let’s say, get a drivers license or adopt a pet at the local Humane Society. And yes, no more assault rifles. But you don’t like that answer, do you?

Clinging to your guns ..... Americans are such spineless, selfish cowards. Your guns make you feel safe and yet they actually make it more dangerous for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also with regards to that comic strip, I would be a lot more concerned about strangling knives or baseball bats if people use them for mass murder.

Do you math?

From 2012:
People murdered by "Rifles" (including, but not limited to AR-15s): 322
People murdered by "Knives or cutting instruments" : 1,589
People murdered by "Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)": 518
People murdered by "Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)": 678
People murdered by "Strangulation": 89

Source:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

But let's focus on rifles because they look scary.

I’m going to focu in all of it and demand my elected officials do the same. All guns are scary. The only purpose of a gun is to kill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also with regards to that comic strip, I would be a lot more concerned about strangling knives or baseball bats if people use them for mass murder.

Do you math?

From 2012:
People murdered by "Rifles" (including, but not limited to AR-15s): 322
People murdered by "Knives or cutting instruments" : 1,589
People murdered by "Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)": 518
People murdered by "Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)": 678
People murdered by "Strangulation": 89

Source:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

But let's focus on rifles because they look scary.

Stop being so disengenous. We are focused on weapons that can quickly kill DOZENS OF CHILDREN in a few minutes. That means rifles and other assault weapons like the AR 15, which was specifically designed to kill many people quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also with regards to that comic strip, I would be a lot more concerned about strangling knives or baseball bats if people use them for mass murder.

Do you math?

From 2012:
People murdered by "Rifles" (including, but not limited to AR-15s): 322
People murdered by "Knives or cutting instruments" : 1,589
People murdered by "Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)": 518
People murdered by "Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)": 678
People murdered by "Strangulation": 89

Source:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

But let's focus on rifles because they look scary.

I’m going to focu in all of it and demand my elected officials do the same. All guns are scary. The only purpose of a gun is to kill.

False.

The only purpose of a gun is to use the energy released by a chemical propellant to guide a bullet down a rifled barrel with repeatable accuracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

PS the AR 15 is demonstrably more dangerous than other guns. They were designed to kill many people quickly in combat. Any gun that can be used to manu people quickly should be banned. You can keep your 1791 muskets. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2018/02/15/4-basic-questions-about-the-ar-15/

You're joking right.

An AR-15 is not "more dangerous" than an AK74/47. They're about the same in terms of danger, but firearms enthusiasts debate back and forth which is a better riffle.




An AR-15 is not more dangerous than an AR-10 (its big brother which uses a larger round). You could make the argument it is less dangerous due to a smaller calibur.


An AR-15 is not more dangerous than a Mini-14. It just looks "scarier". It too is a high capacity semi auto, but looks like a smaller version of a post ww2 design.


I personally find aimed accurate fire much more scary than "indiscriminate" fire. Something like what happened at the University of Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

The AR-15 is just the one of the more popular designs out there right now. The most popular rifle out there is probably the Ruger 10/22.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PS the AR 15 is demonstrably more dangerous than other guns. They were designed to kill many people quickly in combat. Any gun that can be used to manu people quickly should be banned. You can keep your 1791 muskets. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2018/02/15/4-basic-questions-about-the-ar-15/

You're joking right.

An AR-15 is not "more dangerous" than an AK74/47. They're about the same in terms of danger, but firearms enthusiasts debate back and forth which is a better riffle.




An AR-15 is not more dangerous than an AR-10 (its big brother which uses a larger round). You could make the argument it is less dangerous due to a smaller calibur.


An AR-15 is not more dangerous than a Mini-14. It just looks "scarier". It too is a high capacity semi auto, but looks like a smaller version of a post ww2 design.


I personally find aimed accurate fire much more scary than "indiscriminate" fire. Something like what happened at the University of Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

The AR-15 is just the one of the more popular designs out there right now. The most popular rifle out there is probably the Ruger 10/22.

If any of those is designed or capable of killing 20 children in 5 minutes, they should be banned too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:you people arguing for the status quo sound insane. moreover, you sound like losers who are going to find themselves out of office as soon as these kids come of age.

but please, by all means, keep on shouting. keep on being unreasonable. keep on not listening.

your assh*le in chief goes to nightclubs while kids go to funerals. you've read about marie antoinette, i assume?

I don't get the reference, or the meaning.

There is an out of touch government that is focused on its own comfort and pleasure, and this will be its downfall. I thought the reference was pretty clear.

When I looked at Hillary, I saw someone who could walk on kittens to keep her shoes from getting muddy. Her whole campaign was "I'm with Her." Yeah, that's great. Trump's was making America great, not having people worship him. And since he's been in office that's what he's been doing, putting ordinary Americans first instead of taking orders from Citibank:
https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

Trump isn't out of touch, you are. You can't understand why there are 400 million guns in this country. It's unfathomable to you. Or why people voted for a guy who said he was going to put them first. That's out of touch.

Okey doke. Well I guess we'll see whose interpretation of the current situation is right, in November!

I guess we will. Tom Perez seems more interested in teaching teens new curse words than winning elections though. And not a single Democrat voted for those bumps in everyones' paychecks that people seem to like so much (what Nancy Pelosi keeps calling "crumbs"). In fact, they're talking about how much they want to undo them. Again, out of touch.

I watched the 2016 election live. I saw how Hillary had a 98.1% chance of winning on election day. In case you forgot:
https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/795663593689808896

You believe your polls. Heck, even extrapolate a few special elections. My take, you have a 98.1% chance of being right.

My take: you and your pussy grabbing president are going to see like pathetic historical relics before too long.

IDGAF if you agree with me or want to keep hurling insults at me and every other women who comes before you. In fact, I'd rather you keep talking, because I think it is a good reminder to everyone just how disgusting Trump lovers are and how much we need to get out the vote to make sure you aren't the ones in charge anymore.

He'll be impeached any day now. Unless Jill Stein has another recount, or the "faithless electors" prevent him from getting enough electoral college votes. Or maybe they'll show how he really, truly "colluded" (which isn't a crime btw - ask Hillary) with Russia. Trump and his cronies are working on borrowed time. They'll be out any day now. Just like CNN's year-long MH370 coverage was totally effective at finding it, and not about getting the rubes to keep tuning in.

Yeah, yeah, "nothingburgers" you yell in the face of indictment after indictment.

Stick with Trump! It's how the Republicans will stay in power! He's super popular and doing a great job! Certainly instead of mourning with the Florida shooting victims' families he was totally right to party with his Mar A Lago guests, and get their political advice!

Flynn apparently is changing his plea.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/19/michael-flynns-plea-reversal-uncover-federal-corruption/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PS the AR 15 is demonstrably more dangerous than other guns. They were designed to kill many people quickly in combat. Any gun that can be used to manu people quickly should be banned. You can keep your 1791 muskets. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2018/02/15/4-basic-questions-about-the-ar-15/

You're joking right.

An AR-15 is not "more dangerous" than an AK74/47. They're about the same in terms of danger, but firearms enthusiasts debate back and forth which is a better riffle.




An AR-15 is not more dangerous than an AR-10 (its big brother which uses a larger round). You could make the argument it is less dangerous due to a smaller calibur.


An AR-15 is not more dangerous than a Mini-14. It just looks "scarier". It too is a high capacity semi auto, but looks like a smaller version of a post ww2 design.


I personally find aimed accurate fire much more scary than "indiscriminate" fire. Something like what happened at the University of Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

The AR-15 is just the one of the more popular designs out there right now. The most popular rifle out there is probably the Ruger 10/22.

If any of those is designed or capable of killing 20 children in 5 minutes, they should be banned too.

A bolt action rifle can kill 20 people in 5 minutes.

A 1865 reveolver can kill 20 people in 5 minutes.

Just about any firearm that isn't a 18th century single shot firearm can do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PS the AR 15 is demonstrably more dangerous than other guns. They were designed to kill many people quickly in combat. Any gun that can be used to manu people quickly should be banned. You can keep your 1791 muskets. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2018/02/15/4-basic-questions-about-the-ar-15/

You're joking right.

An AR-15 is not "more dangerous" than an AK74/47. They're about the same in terms of danger, but firearms enthusiasts debate back and forth which is a better riffle.




An AR-15 is not more dangerous than an AR-10 (its big brother which uses a larger round). You could make the argument it is less dangerous due to a smaller calibur.


An AR-15 is not more dangerous than a Mini-14. It just looks "scarier". It too is a high capacity semi auto, but looks like a smaller version of a post ww2 design.


I personally find aimed accurate fire much more scary than "indiscriminate" fire. Something like what happened at the University of Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

The AR-15 is just the one of the more popular designs out there right now. The most popular rifle out there is probably the Ruger 10/22.

If any of those is designed or capable of killing 20 children in 5 minutes, they should be banned too.

A bolt action rifle can kill 20 people in 5 minutes.

A 1865 reveolver can kill 20 people in 5 minutes.

Just about any firearm that isn't a 18th century single shot firearm can do that.

Sorry meant an 1860 colt revolver (think old style cowboy gun seen in all those old western movies).

Just about any firearm can do that even without being a skilled shooter if you are shooting into a crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yup, kid was troubled and all sorts of warning signs.

Yes, social services and FBI shoulda/coulda done more to intervene.

Agree, we need to better treat and address mental illness.

We still need sensible gun laws. Period. Stop deflecting.

Ok, what specific sensible gun law would have prevented this shooting? Before suggesting banning the AR-15 or standard capacity magazines, remember that the Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 people with a 15-round 9mm pistol and a 10-round .22 caliber pistol. And that a waiting period and a one-gun-a-month law didn't stop him.

Then let’s eliminate personal gun ownership without a license and licensing requires an extensive waiting period, a comprehensive background check, and registration.

Make it harder to buy a gun then let’s say, get a drivers license or adopt a pet at the local Humane Society. And yes, no more assault rifles. But you don’t like that answer, do you?

Clinging to your guns ..... Americans are such spineless, selfish cowards. Your guns make you feel safe and yet they actually make it more dangerous for everyone.

Some of your suggestions would literally require an amendment to the constitution. Waiting periods don't do anything - the sure didn't for the Florida shooter. Neither did having his guns - like every gun purchased in a gun store - in a registry. And "comprehensive background checks" are great, until someone just gets their cousin, friend or baby daddy to bypass them (this is how most criminals get their guns btw). In reality, it's just an inconvenience for decent folk, and not an impediment to bad people. It would be like having sober people take a breathalyzer before starting their car.

Back to registrations for a moment - I assume the point would be to make sure criminals and crazies don't have guns, right? The only problem with that is that it's unconstitutional to have criminals and crazies register their guns. That pesky 5th Amendment prevents the government from forcing people to testify against themselves. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

So the only people you can't force to register their guns are the ones you should be concerned about. So again, what's the point of that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PS the AR 15 is demonstrably more dangerous than other guns. They were designed to kill many people quickly in combat. Any gun that can be used to manu people quickly should be banned. You can keep your 1791 muskets. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2018/02/15/4-basic-questions-about-the-ar-15/

You're joking right.

An AR-15 is not "more dangerous" than an AK74/47. They're about the same in terms of danger, but firearms enthusiasts debate back and forth which is a better riffle.




An AR-15 is not more dangerous than an AR-10 (its big brother which uses a larger round). You could make the argument it is less dangerous due to a smaller calibur.


An AR-15 is not more dangerous than a Mini-14. It just looks "scarier". It too is a high capacity semi auto, but looks like a smaller version of a post ww2 design.


I personally find aimed accurate fire much more scary than "indiscriminate" fire. Something like what happened at the University of Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

The AR-15 is just the one of the more popular designs out there right now. The most popular rifle out there is probably the Ruger 10/22.

If any of those is designed or capable of killing 20 children in 5 minutes, they should be banned too.

How many children do you think a Toyota Corolla can kill in 5 minutes? How about an olympic sized swimming pool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PS the AR 15 is demonstrably more dangerous than other guns. They were designed to kill many people quickly in combat. Any gun that can be used to manu people quickly should be banned. You can keep your 1791 muskets. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2018/02/15/4-basic-questions-about-the-ar-15/

You're joking right.

An AR-15 is not "more dangerous" than an AK74/47. They're about the same in terms of danger, but firearms enthusiasts debate back and forth which is a better riffle.




An AR-15 is not more dangerous than an AR-10 (its big brother which uses a larger round). You could make the argument it is less dangerous due to a smaller calibur.


An AR-15 is not more dangerous than a Mini-14. It just looks "scarier". It too is a high capacity semi auto, but looks like a smaller version of a post ww2 design.


I personally find aimed accurate fire much more scary than "indiscriminate" fire. Something like what happened at the University of Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

The AR-15 is just the one of the more popular designs out there right now. The most popular rifle out there is probably the Ruger 10/22.

If any of those is designed or capable of killing 20 children in 5 minutes, they should be banned too.

How many children do you think a Toyota Corolla can kill in 5 minutes? How about an olympic sized swimming pool?

We can have a separate conversation about auto safety and universal swimming instruction. What we're talking about now is keeping combat weapons out of the hands of civilians.