Cox Farms in Nova - "Resist White Supremacy" sign

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is why Trump won and will win again.

LOL, really? Is that why Democrats have picked up 36 seats since Trump?

Hillary Clinton was polling at 95% Chance of winning by both the Washington Post and NYT, so who know what will happen. You guys were crowing pretty loud then too.

Ha, and here you are crowing about how Trump will win again! As you point out, what actual voters do is what matters, and since Trump, actual voters have been selecting Democrats.

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You sound like you're purposefully being obtuse by picking at definitions and technicalities that simply do not matter.

The point is that a group of people can be offended by something even when it doesn't refer to their actual beliefs, either by the way it's used by their opponent. If Cox farms throws up a sign that says "resist Commies," a significant portion of the population understands or assumes that it's a dig on the Left as a whole. We're not here to discuss what's worse - White supremacy or Comminism? Because it's irrelevant. Got it? No, probably not eh?

So, you are offended because you think a sign about white supremacy is a dig at ALL Conservatives?

Read the thread. No, I gave an explanation earlier because someone asked why conservatives are offended by this sign. Personally not offended, but I do find all the Liberal bullsh*t and moral postulating to be irritating, since you are so curious about me.

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And, for the record, Communism, which is an economic theory/system, in and of itself is NOT evil.

The governments who have forced it onto their populations are.

But, I know, Nuance is hard.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is why Trump won and will win again.

LOL, really? Is that why Democrats have picked up 36 seats since Trump?

Hillary Clinton was polling at 95% Chance of winning by both the Washington Post and NYT, so who know what will happen. You guys were crowing pretty loud then too.

Ha, and here you are crowing about how Trump will win again! As you point out, what actual voters do is what matters, and since Trump, actual voters have been selecting Democrats.

Different poster, genius. "What actual voters is what matters" - no sh*t, Sherlock. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Anonymous wrote:And, for the record, Communism, which is an economic theory/system, in and of itself is NOT evil.

The governments who have forced it onto their populations are.

But, I know, Nuance is hard.

You missed the point again. And this was ironic.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is why Trump won and will win again.

LOL, really? Is that why Democrats have picked up 36 seats since Trump?

Hillary Clinton was polling at 95% Chance of winning by both the Washington Post and NYT, so who know what will happen. You guys were crowing pretty loud then too.

Ha, and here you are crowing about how Trump will win again! As you point out, what actual voters do is what matters, and since Trump, actual voters have been selecting Democrats.

Different poster, genius. "What actual voters is what matters" - no sh*t, Sherlock. Thanks for clearing that up.

No sense of the irony? The poster claiming that Trump would win again and ignoring current trends? Sheesh, tough crowd.

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You sound like you're purposefully being obtuse by picking at definitions and technicalities that simply do not matter.

The point is that a group of people can be offended by something even when it doesn't refer to their actual beliefs, either by the way it's used by their opponent. If Cox farms throws up a sign that says "resist Commies," a significant portion of the population understands or assumes that it's a dig on the Left as a whole. We're not here to discuss what's worse - White supremacy or Comminism? Because it's irrelevant. Got it? No, probably not eh?

So, you are offended because you think a sign about white supremacy is a dig at ALL Conservatives?

Read the thread. No, I gave an explanation earlier because someone asked why conservatives are offended by this sign. Personally not offended, but I do find all the Liberal bullsh*t and moral postulating to be irritating, since you are so curious about me.

Are you the minority conservative? I still am looking for the explanation given earlier that keeps being referenced. Seriously, if it was so obvious why many conservatives are offended by the sign, someone should be able to explain it in a way that is coherent.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a moderate conservative and a minority I'm over the massive straw man by the left that is White Supremacy. Let's be against crazies on both sides. And yes, you socialist nutjob lefties are just as bad if not worse than the KKK hicks from the boondocks. F you all.

Fairfax Underground misses you. Feel free to head back anytime.

I'm not from FF Underground. I know it's hard to grasp this with your feeble mind, but there are millions of Conservatives in this country and I'm one of them, with opinions, and we don't hang out on FF underground.

You might be a conservative politically but you are also a white supremacist.

Do you literally call every conservative a white supremacist? Did you miss the part where I am not white?

Different poster. You said lefties are just as bad or worse than the KKK. You called white supremacy a straw man. Who cares if you claim to be a minority? Your stated opinions are those of a white supremacist sympathizer, period.

Having the opinions that *Crazy* *extreme* lefties are just as bad or worse than the KKK does not make me a sympathizer. In fact, I despise the KKK and I despise the extreme Liberals as well. It is poor logic to assume that to be against White Supremacy you MUST believe that there is nothing worse. In fact, there are worse things, in my opinion. It is super irresponsible to be throwing around "white supremacist" as a casual insult like you do.

Nobody said there is *nothing* worse than white supremacy. But calling it a straw man that you are over sure makes you sound like a sympathizer. Frankly, I love that you find this sign so provocative. It's bugging some of my conservative relatives, too; and they're twisting themselves into pretzels trying not to spew their normal soft racism.

Also: you said "You socialist nutjob lefties...F you all." So, you're not in a position to complain about casual insults.

"Nobody" - you said it (if you were the PP) when your only supporting statement to calling me a "white supremacist" was that I said crazy liberals are worse. Notice I said "let's be against crazies on both sides," which you casually ignored. Don't back peddle and stop calling everyone a "White Supremacist."

You said white supremacy is a straw man, too. Talk about back pedaling--you've ignored that part of your quote several times over. Also ignoring the point about getting upset about name calling and then reverting to calling folks in this thread "you socialist nutjob leftties."

Ignored? Do you even understand what "strawman" means? I called White Supremacy a "straw man" because it is a straw man - Liberals take a minuscule, highly unlike able group of people who call themselves "conservative" and not only apply it broadly and to everyone in the party, but to also obscure other practical issues on which more debate should be had. It's just as bad as if I took the violence of ANTIFA and applied it broadly to the rest of the Democratic Party. No, it's not because I personally identify with the KKK - I'm literally faced with a barrage of this sort of mass grouping and strawman long on this site and elsewhere.

You are wrong. "White Supremacy" does not *just* mean the KKK. You don't need to personally identify with KKK to be a white supremacist, and you definitely don't have to be a KKK member to be a racist. Antifa is a false equivalent, because what's controversial about Antifa is not their message (anti-fascism) but their methods (willingness to use violence). White Supremacy is not a controversial method of expressing a reasonable sentiment. There is no White Supremacy philosophy that is or should be acceptable.

You sound like you're purposefully being obtuse by picking at definitions and technicalities that simply do not matter.

The point is that a group of people can be offended by something even when it doesn't refer to their actual beliefs, either by the way it's used by their opponent. If Cox farms throws up a sign that says "resist Commies," a significant portion of the population understands or assumes that it's a dig on the Left as a whole. We're not here to discuss what's worse - White supremacy or Comminism? Because it's irrelevant. Got it? No, probably not eh?

I'm a liberal, most of my friends/family/neighbors are liberal, and we'd all nod our head in agreement with that sign.

Why? Because we don't identify or have really any sympathies with hardcore Commies. Nor do we equate Communism with our views on the role of government in social welfare/the economy. We prefer a nicely balanced approach to government ensuring a safety net but also providing sufficient incentives to get people off their asses.

I guess there's the real rub between Liberals and Conservatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is why Trump won and will win again.

LOL, really? Is that why Democrats have picked up 36 seats since Trump?

Hillary Clinton was polling at 95% Chance of winning by both the Washington Post and NYT, so who know what will happen. You guys were crowing pretty loud then too.

Ha, and here you are crowing about how Trump will win again! As you point out, what actual voters do is what matters, and since Trump, actual voters have been selecting Democrats.

Different poster, genius. "What actual voters is what matters" - no sh*t, Sherlock. Thanks for clearing that up.

No sense of the irony? The poster claiming that Trump would win again and ignoring current trends? Sheesh, tough crowd.

Oh plenty of it. You're not on my side of the fence on DCUM though. You see so much of it coming out of the Liberals you're desensitized to it. Not really LOL worthy at all. Sad really.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a moderate conservative and a minority I'm over the massive straw man by the left that is White Supremacy. Let's be against crazies on both sides. And yes, you socialist nutjob lefties are just as bad if not worse than the KKK hicks from the boondocks. F you all.

Fairfax Underground misses you. Feel free to head back anytime.

I'm not from FF Underground. I know it's hard to grasp this with your feeble mind, but there are millions of Conservatives in this country and I'm one of them, with opinions, and we don't hang out on FF underground.

You might be a conservative politically but you are also a white supremacist.

Do you literally call every conservative a white supremacist? Did you miss the part where I am not white?

Different poster. You said lefties are just as bad or worse than the KKK. You called white supremacy a straw man. Who cares if you claim to be a minority? Your stated opinions are those of a white supremacist sympathizer, period.

Having the opinions that *Crazy* *extreme* lefties are just as bad or worse than the KKK does not make me a sympathizer. In fact, I despise the KKK and I despise the extreme Liberals as well. It is poor logic to assume that to be against White Supremacy you MUST believe that there is nothing worse. In fact, there are worse things, in my opinion. It is super irresponsible to be throwing around "white supremacist" as a casual insult like you do.

Nobody said there is *nothing* worse than white supremacy. But calling it a straw man that you are over sure makes you sound like a sympathizer. Frankly, I love that you find this sign so provocative. It's bugging some of my conservative relatives, too; and they're twisting themselves into pretzels trying not to spew their normal soft racism.

Also: you said "You socialist nutjob lefties...F you all." So, you're not in a position to complain about casual insults.

"Nobody" - you said it (if you were the PP) when your only supporting statement to calling me a "white supremacist" was that I said crazy liberals are worse. Notice I said "let's be against crazies on both sides," which you casually ignored. Don't back peddle and stop calling everyone a "White Supremacist."

You said white supremacy is a straw man, too. Talk about back pedaling--you've ignored that part of your quote several times over. Also ignoring the point about getting upset about name calling and then reverting to calling folks in this thread "you socialist nutjob leftties."

Ignored? Do you even understand what "strawman" means? I called White Supremacy a "straw man" because it is a straw man - Liberals take a minuscule, highly unlike able group of people who call themselves "conservative" and not only apply it broadly and to everyone in the party, but to also obscure other practical issues on which more debate should be had. It's just as bad as if I took the violence of ANTIFA and applied it broadly to the rest of the Democratic Party. No, it's not because I personally identify with the KKK - I'm literally faced with a barrage of this sort of mass grouping and strawman long on this site and elsewhere.

You are wrong. "White Supremacy" does not *just* mean the KKK. You don't need to personally identify with KKK to be a white supremacist, and you definitely don't have to be a KKK member to be a racist. Antifa is a false equivalent, because what's controversial about Antifa is not their message (anti-fascism) but their methods (willingness to use violence). White Supremacy is not a controversial method of expressing a reasonable sentiment. There is no White Supremacy philosophy that is or should be acceptable.

You sound like you're purposefully being obtuse by picking at definitions and technicalities that simply do not matter.

The point is that a group of people can be offended by something even when it doesn't refer to their actual beliefs, either by the way it's used by their opponent. If Cox farms throws up a sign that says "resist Commies," a significant portion of the population understands or assumes that it's a dig on the Left as a whole. We're not here to discuss what's worse - White supremacy or Comminism? Because it's irrelevant. Got it? No, probably not eh?

I'm a liberal, most of my friends/family/neighbors are liberal, and we'd all nod our head in agreement with that sign.

Why? Because we don't identify or have really any sympathies with hardcore Commies. Nor do we equate Communism with our views on the role of government in social welfare/the economy. We prefer a nicely balanced approach to government ensuring a safety net but also providing sufficient incentives to get people off their asses.

I guess there's the real rub between Liberals and Conservatives.

Good for you, and there are Conservatives out there who aren't offended by the cox farms sign too (like me). It goes both ways. People asked why some were and the answer, as much as some Liberals want it to be, is not that they are all White Supremacists.

[Anonymous]

Does this make sense? I'm not a member of either party, but giving this some thought, here's what I think might be going on:

I think that conservatives are aware that liberals think that all conservatives are racist. Now most conservatives are not racists, but conservatives read the newspapers and listen to NPR, so they are aware of what liberals think of them.

So, when they see a business which is very public in its support of more liberal, progressive issues put up a sign saying this, then they kind of figure the business is subtly trying to paint all conservatives with the same brush. Particularly when the sign it replaces previous said to resist the republican president, so that they appear to be setting up an equivalence with any set of words that come after the word "Resist."

So I think there might be a sense that no matter what words the sign owners write after the word "Resist," they are really referring to conservatives/republicans, whether or not those words refer to the beliefs of 99.9% of conservatives or republicans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like you're purposefully being obtuse by picking at definitions and technicalities that simply do not matter.

The point is that a group of people can be offended by something even when it doesn't refer to their actual beliefs, either by the way it's used by their opponent. If Cox farms throws up a sign that says "resist Commies," a significant portion of the population understands or assumes that it's a dig on the Left as a whole. We're not here to discuss what's worse - White supremacy or Comminism? Because it's irrelevant. Got it? No, probably not eh?

So, you are offended because you think a sign about white supremacy is a dig at ALL Conservatives?

Read the thread. No, I gave an explanation earlier because someone asked why conservatives are offended by this sign. Personally not offended, but I do find all the Liberal bullsh*t and moral postulating to be irritating, since you are so curious about me.

Are you the minority conservative? I still am looking for the explanation given earlier that keeps being referenced. Seriously, if it was so obvious why many conservatives are offended by the sign, someone should be able to explain it in a way that is coherent.

I am, and it is coherent. I recommend you carefully read some more and think a bit harder. You can do it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this make sense? I'm not a member of either party, but giving this some thought, here's what I think might be going on:

I think that conservatives are aware that liberals think that all conservatives are racist. Now most conservatives are not racists, but conservatives read the newspapers and listen to NPR, so they are aware of what liberals think of them.

So, when they see a business which is very public in its support of more liberal, progressive issues put up a sign saying this, then they kind of figure the business is subtly trying to paint all conservatives with the same brush. Particularly when the sign it replaces previous said to resist the republican president, so that they appear to be setting up an equivalence with any set of words that come after the word "Resist."

So I think there might be a sense that no matter what words the sign owners write after the word "Resist," they are really referring to conservatives/republicans, whether or not those words refer to the beliefs of 99.9% of conservatives or republicans.

I think this is the most logical explanation on here. But again, this just goes back to conservative delusions of grandeur and their perpetual victimhood mentality.

The farm's owners did state that they wanted to create a sign that most reasonable people, regardless of political ideology, "could agree with." They were actually taken aback by the vitriol received on social media, since most people don't try to actively and publicly empathize with white supremacists.

It's weird that this even became a controversy because conservatives made it all about themselves, when that was never even the intention!

[Anonymous]

The sign itself is not offensive to me. What I find offensive is the blatant PR/marketing that is behind this. It may not have been their initial intent, but when they saw the press it was getting, they ran with it and turned it up a notch or 10000.

This sign was not their first. It's just the latest in a series that began in January 2017 with "We love Our Muslim Neighbors" and then "Fight Ignorance, Not Immigrants." It's not just about fighting white supremacy.

It's much more than the sign. It's the commentary that accompanies it and its use on social media. They are milking this for all its worth. I highly doubt they would be posting these messages if they truly felt it might be risky to their business. They are doing it because they know that, in the area where they are, they safely can, while actually increasing their business. It seems very transparent and the way they are patting themselves on the back for their "bravery" is highly disingenuous.

This was an interesting take on their message from a black farmer in the Charlottesville area:

https://www.facebook.com/sylvanaqua/posts/1195952503869381?hc_location=ufi

"Calling out Trumpism and flag-waving White supremacists from beneath the warm blanket of Virginia’s most liberal county. So brave. Ok, y’all ?

The entire post isn’t shown, but they spend most of it repeating, over and over again, how much of a “risk” they’re taking by displaying this sign (and others like it) and all but screaming “buy from us because we’re the good guys!!!”

I know a bold message like this hits a lot of folks right in the feels, but to a Black farmer who has to deal day in and out with he consequences of racism from both ends of the political spectrum, what I see is White farmers using my pain to make hay. Especially considering that this post only indirectly mentions the actual targets of White supremacy... and even then it’s in reference to how “brave” they are for “taking a stand” on our behalf."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sign itself is not offensive to me. What I find offensive is the blatant PR/marketing that is behind this. It may not have been their initial intent, but when they saw the press it was getting, they ran with it and turned it up a notch or 10000.

This sign was not their first. It's just the latest in a series that began in January 2017 with "We love Our Muslim Neighbors" and then "Fight Ignorance, Not Immigrants." It's not just about fighting white supremacy.

It's much more than the sign. It's the commentary that accompanies it and its use on social media. They are milking this for all its worth. I highly doubt they would be posting these messages if they truly felt it might be risky to their business. They are doing it because they know that, in the area where they are, they safely can, while actually increasing their business. It seems very transparent and the way they are patting themselves on the back for their "bravery" is highly disingenuous.

This was an interesting take on their message from a black farmer in the Charlottesville area:

https://www.facebook.com/sylvanaqua/posts/1195952503869381?hc_location=ufi

"Calling out Trumpism and flag-waving White supremacists from beneath the warm blanket of Virginia’s most liberal county. So brave. Ok, y’all ?

The entire post isn’t shown, but they spend most of it repeating, over and over again, how much of a “risk” they’re taking by displaying this sign (and others like it) and all but screaming “buy from us because we’re the good guys!!!”

I know a bold message like this hits a lot of folks right in the feels, but to a Black farmer who has to deal day in and out with he consequences of racism from both ends of the political spectrum, what I see is White farmers using my pain to make hay. Especially considering that this post only indirectly mentions the actual targets of White supremacy... and even then it’s in reference to how “brave” they are for “taking a stand” on our behalf."

I'm a liberal and I think that this is a very fair criticism. I hope Cox Farm put its money where its mouth is located with the profits it generates. I can totally understand why rural farmers in the heart of conservative southern VA may feel a bit cynical about the entire ploy.