How important is TJ for college?

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Anonymous wrote:Depends. If you aim at UVA, TJ is a way to go. If your child is an average or below average at TJ (your class rank could be a lot better at a regular home base high school, then you may not get into your first choice.

We have 4 kids in our street who went to UVA. They did not go to tj.

In your street? Do you mean on your street?

"In British English, the name of the street without any further precision is preceded by in when you’re talking about where someone lives: he lives in Oxford Street. "

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Well, thank God for the American Revolution.

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Anonymous wrote:Also a 1300/ 4.2 for a junior? That can’t be right. I thought that was the freshman year 8/9 PSAT number. And a junior should have some APs and have a higher number. My sophomore has a 1450, FFS. No wonder the UVA number is so low. And no way an unhooked kid with only a 1300/4.2 in 11th grade has any real chance at Northwestern, any of the Big 10 Engineering schools or the UCs. That’s just not happening.

She has taked 1 AP in 10, is taking 4 AP's now. I am not including the 4 AP's.

I am reporting what Navience said. The whole point is, based on the college addmitances, comparable kids do just as well at the base. 15% of JMHS class is admitted to UVA. And anyone at TJ *should* be in the top 10%. And kids do get admitted to elite schools, aka, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, etc.

As for the GPA, the peak GPA for a junior (not counting the junior year) is 4.34. My DD got a 2 B's...

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PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

4.2/1300 as a junior gets almost everyone into VT engineering? I doubt it.

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What is TJ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

4.2/1300 as a junior gets almost everyone into VT engineering? I doubt it.

I did not say VT engineer. I said VT. In my DD's case, she wants physics, not engineering.

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In my McLean neighborhood of about 40 houses over the past 5 years:

TJ: GA Tech 2, UNC, W&M, unknown (currently a senior)
MHS: UVA, VaTech 3, W&M, GMU, RPI, Purdue 2, UPenn (early action senior),

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

4.2/1300 as a junior gets almost everyone into VT engineering? I doubt it.

I did not say VT engineer. I said VT. In my DD's case, she wants physics, not engineering.

Oh FFS. You can’t count VT, and take out the engineering numbers. If you want people to take you seriously, you have to provide actual numbers. Not cull them in the best possible light.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

4.2/1300 as a junior gets almost everyone into VT engineering? I doubt it.

I did not say VT engineer. I said VT. In my DD's case, she wants physics, not engineering.

Oh FFS. You can’t count VT, and take out the engineering numbers. If you want people to take you seriously, you have to provide actual numbers. Not cull them in the best possible light.

If the schools would provide the data on VT engineering I would break it down. I do not have the data. I have data for overall VT: numbers applying and admitted with the GPA. But not broken down by college within Va Tech. This goes for Madison and TJ.

There is no question that the average student at TJ will probably get into a better college than the average student in FCPS. FCPS has about 15000 seniors; TJ has 480 seniors. (400 from FCPS). And all of those went through a rigerous screening process.

I am saying to understand the role of TJ on college, you need to compare apples to apples: similar screening on students at the base school. And if you take the top 15% (75 or so kids) from Madison, Oakton, Langley, Mclean and Woodson (375 students), they do just as well cumulatively as TJ does.

Maybe even a bit better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

4.2/1300 as a junior gets almost everyone into VT engineering? I doubt it.

I did not say VT engineer. I said VT. In my DD's case, she wants physics, not engineering.

Oh FFS. You can’t count VT, and take out the engineering numbers. If you want people to take you seriously, you have to provide actual numbers. Not cull them in the best possible light.

If the schools would provide the data on VT engineering I would break it down. I do not have the data. I have data for overall VT: numbers applying and admitted with the GPA. But not broken down by college within Va Tech. This goes for Madison and TJ.

There is no question that the average student at TJ will probably get into a better college than the average student in FCPS. FCPS has about 15000 seniors; TJ has 480 seniors. (400 from FCPS). And all of those went through a rigerous screening process.

I am saying to understand the role of TJ on college, you need to compare apples to apples: similar screening on students at the base school. And if you take the top 15% (75 or so kids) from Madison, Oakton, Langley, Mclean and Woodson (375 students), they do just as well cumulatively as TJ does.

Maybe even a bit better.

PP Where do you get your info? You're examples have been refuted by numerous posters. Please stop making up numbers. For ex, TJ's senior class is 430 students not 480.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

4.2/1300 as a junior gets almost everyone into VT engineering? I doubt it.

I did not say VT engineer. I said VT. In my DD's case, she wants physics, not engineering.

Oh FFS. You can’t count VT, and take out the engineering numbers. If you want people to take you seriously, you have to provide actual numbers. Not cull them in the best possible light.

If the schools would provide the data on VT engineering I would break it down. I do not have the data. I have data for overall VT: numbers applying and admitted with the GPA. But not broken down by college within Va Tech. This goes for Madison and TJ.

There is no question that the average student at TJ will probably get into a better college than the average student in FCPS. FCPS has about 15000 seniors; TJ has 480 seniors. (400 from FCPS). And all of those went through a rigerous screening process.

I am saying to understand the role of TJ on college, you need to compare apples to apples: similar screening on students at the base school. And if you take the top 15% (75 or so kids) from Madison, Oakton, Langley, Mclean and Woodson (375 students), they do just as well cumulatively as TJ does.

Maybe even a bit better.

PP Where do you get your info? You're examples have been refuted by numerous posters. Please stop making up numbers. For ex, TJ's senior class is 430 students not 480.

+1. And, TJ is only 2/3 Fairfax. There are fewer than 300 TJ grads from Fairfax County.

Plus, are you really implying that the top 10-15% from Chantilly, SLHS & Marshall Full IB, LBSS, Robinson, etc. are not doing as well as Woodson, Oakton, Madison? I’ve looked at the Chantilly vs Oakton numbers when we moved, and they are nearly identical. If their trend continues, in 5 years Chantilly will knock Oakton, and possibly Woodson and/or Madison out of the top 5.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

4.2/1300 as a junior gets almost everyone into VT engineering? I doubt it.

I did not say VT engineer. I said VT. In my DD's case, she wants physics, not engineering.

Oh FFS. You can’t count VT, and take out the engineering numbers. If you want people to take you seriously, you have to provide actual numbers. Not cull them in the best possible light.

If the schools would provide the data on VT engineering I would break it down. I do not have the data. I have data for overall VT: numbers applying and admitted with the GPA. But not broken down by college within Va Tech. This goes for Madison and TJ.

There is no question that the average student at TJ will probably get into a better college than the average student in FCPS. FCPS has about 15000 seniors; TJ has 480 seniors. (400 from FCPS). And all of those went through a rigerous screening process.

I am saying to understand the role of TJ on college, you need to compare apples to apples: similar screening on students at the base school. And if you take the top 15% (75 or so kids) from Madison, Oakton, Langley, Mclean and Woodson (375 students), they do just as well cumulatively as TJ does.

Maybe even a bit better.

PP Where do you get your info? You're examples have been refuted by numerous posters. Please stop making up numbers. For ex, TJ's senior class is 430 students not 480.

I also don’t believe her claim that 15% of Madison gets into UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

4.2/1300 as a junior gets almost everyone into VT engineering? I doubt it.

I did not say VT engineer. I said VT. In my DD's case, she wants physics, not engineering.

Oh FFS. You can’t count VT, and take out the engineering numbers. If you want people to take you seriously, you have to provide actual numbers. Not cull them in the best possible light.

If the schools would provide the data on VT engineering I would break it down. I do not have the data. I have data for overall VT: numbers applying and admitted with the GPA. But not broken down by college within Va Tech. This goes for Madison and TJ.

There is no question that the average student at TJ will probably get into a better college than the average student in FCPS. FCPS has about 15000 seniors; TJ has 480 seniors. (400 from FCPS). And all of those went through a rigerous screening process.

I am saying to understand the role of TJ on college, you need to compare apples to apples: similar screening on students at the base school. And if you take the top 15% (75 or so kids) from Madison, Oakton, Langley, Mclean and Woodson (375 students), they do just as well cumulatively as TJ does.

Maybe even a bit better.

PP Where do you get your info? You're examples have been refuted by numerous posters. Please stop making up numbers. For ex, TJ's senior class is 430 students not 480.

I also don’t believe her claim that 15% of Madison gets into UVA.

Of course you don’t. Because you are so desperate to believe that you need TJ to get into UVA. You’re embarrassed to admit that TJ is a complete waste of time when your kid just ends up going to UVA anyway. And could just as easily form base school.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. And to make it relevant. TJ does not help in college admittence, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ -- that is the data.

TJ will provide differentiation at the very top -- 4 sigma -- that neither the SAT's will provide nor will the base provide.

What I am saying is 43% of kids with DD's stats got into UVA, 73% into W & M, and nearly 100% into VT, JMU, GMU,etc.

When I listed by conference, it was becasue of small numbers I took all of the applications to Big ten and all of the admittances. UM may be a problem, but Wisconsin was not. (24 of 26 admitted). Ohio State was not. Northwestern, sure.

4.2/1300 as a junior gets almost everyone into VT engineering? I doubt it.

I did not say VT engineer. I said VT. In my DD's case, she wants physics, not engineering.

Oh FFS. You can’t count VT, and take out the engineering numbers. If you want people to take you seriously, you have to provide actual numbers. Not cull them in the best possible light.

If the schools would provide the data on VT engineering I would break it down. I do not have the data. I have data for overall VT: numbers applying and admitted with the GPA. But not broken down by college within Va Tech. This goes for Madison and TJ.

There is no question that the average student at TJ will probably get into a better college than the average student in FCPS. FCPS has about 15000 seniors; TJ has 480 seniors. (400 from FCPS). And all of those went through a rigerous screening process.

I am saying to understand the role of TJ on college, you need to compare apples to apples: similar screening on students at the base school. And if you take the top 15% (75 or so kids) from Madison, Oakton, Langley, Mclean and Woodson (375 students), they do just as well cumulatively as TJ does.

Maybe even a bit better.

PP Where do you get your info? You're examples have been refuted by numerous posters. Please stop making up numbers. For ex, TJ's senior class is 430 students not 480.

I also don’t believe her claim that 15% of Madison gets into UVA.

Of course you don’t. Because you are so desperate to believe that you need TJ to get into UVA. You’re embarrassed to admit that TJ is a complete waste of time when your kid just ends up going to UVA anyway. And could just as easily form base school.

That's what you want to believe.