Is there a difference between Columbia,Penn and Dartmouth,Brown,Cornell ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Columbia and UPenn tend to rank higher in most rankings and have stronger departments, which is why your GC might be saying that. But does this mean they are better (what does that even mean?) or more prestigious colleges? Hardly.
The ONLY objective difference in prestige is between H vs the rest and HYP vs non-HYP. Parsing any further differences among the lower ivies is just a desperate attempt by certain insecure boosters to elevate their school.

Anonymous wrote:Penn A&S (and Penn in general) has stronger departments and more renowned faculty than Brown and Dartmouth.

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Penn A&S (and Penn in general) has stronger departments and more renowned faculty than Brown and Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:In any case, Penn performs better in practically every ranking out there, it has overall stronger departments, more renowned faculty, stronger research output, higher RD yield rate, and according to the CDS documents Penn admits have a bit higher SATs/ACTs and GPAs/ranks than Brown and Dartmouth admits.

Anonymous wrote:Hardly. Penn has much stronger departments than Brown and Dartmouth even outside of Wharton. I agree about lay prestige though, all non-HYP ivies are similar.

Hey, Penn "stronger departments" person, please give it a rest. I've worked in higher ed for almost 20 years, and "stronger departments" is a meaningless designation that I have literally never heard anyone in academe ever utter at any point. One of the non-Penn schools in this thread has the country's top-ranked programs in Comparative Literature and Brazilian Studies. So for kids interested in those areas, Penn does not have "stronger departments." The same is true for other schools in other fields.

We get it. You love Penn. Also, "Brown is the hottest university in the country" person, we get it - you love trolling people by getting them worked up about Brown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Zeke is probably at Penn because it's closest Ivy to DC.

So what? This doesn’t make pp’s point irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia and UPenn tend to rank higher in most rankings and have stronger departments, which is why your GC might be saying that. But does this mean they are better (what does that even mean?) or more prestigious colleges? Hardly.
The ONLY objective difference in prestige is between H vs the rest and HYP vs non-HYP. Parsing any further differences among the lower ivies is just a desperate attempt by certain insecure boosters to elevate their school.

Anonymous wrote:Penn A&S (and Penn in general) has stronger departments and more renowned faculty than Brown and Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:
Penn A&S (and Penn in general) has stronger departments and more renowned faculty than Brown and Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:In any case, Penn performs better in practically every ranking out there, it has overall stronger departments, more renowned faculty, stronger research output, higher RD yield rate, and according to the CDS documents Penn admits have a bit higher SATs/ACTs and GPAs/ranks than Brown and Dartmouth admits.

Anonymous wrote:Hardly. Penn has much stronger departments than Brown and Dartmouth even outside of Wharton. I agree about lay prestige though, all non-HYP ivies are similar.

Hey, Penn "stronger departments" person, please give it a rest. I've worked in higher ed for almost 20 years, and "stronger departments" is a meaningless designation that I have literally never heard anyone in academe ever utter at any point. One of the non-Penn schools in this thread has the country's top-ranked programs in Comparative Literature and Brazilian Studies. So for kids interested in those areas, Penn does not have "stronger departments." The same is true for other schools in other fields.

We get it. You love Penn. Also, "Brown is the hottest university in the country" person, we get it - you love trolling people by getting them worked up about Brown.

NP. Penn is still higher ranked in the public eye, and it’s on more US and international rankings, than Brown or Dartmouth. Whatever you think of deoaetmentsnon a case-by-case basis, these rankings generally go for broader academic gestalt. I can’t believe we’re still discussing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cornell has the vet school though. And who wouldn’t want to go to hotel school- sounds so fun. Seems like an interesting mix of kids. I also still have all those Ithaca cookbooks (moosewood and all). I’m going to beg my kid to apply there.

I think Cornell is great (and I didn’t go there). This whole “it sucks because it’s at the bottom of the Ivies” thing is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

It's comical how overrated Northwestern, WashU, Penn and Georgetown are by desperate helicopter parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia and UPenn tend to rank higher in most rankings and have stronger departments, which is why your GC might be saying that. But does this mean they are better (what does that even mean?) or more prestigious colleges? Hardly.
The ONLY objective difference in prestige is between H vs the rest and HYP vs non-HYP. Parsing any further differences among the lower ivies is just a desperate attempt by certain insecure boosters to elevate their school.

Anonymous wrote:Penn A&S (and Penn in general) has stronger departments and more renowned faculty than Brown and Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:
Penn A&S (and Penn in general) has stronger departments and more renowned faculty than Brown and Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:In any case, Penn performs better in practically every ranking out there, it has overall stronger departments, more renowned faculty, stronger research output, higher RD yield rate, and according to the CDS documents Penn admits have a bit higher SATs/ACTs and GPAs/ranks than Brown and Dartmouth admits.

Anonymous wrote:Hardly. Penn has much stronger departments than Brown and Dartmouth even outside of Wharton. I agree about lay prestige though, all non-HYP ivies are similar.

Hey, Penn "stronger departments" person, please give it a rest. I've worked in higher ed for almost 20 years, and "stronger departments" is a meaningless designation that I have literally never heard anyone in academe ever utter at any point. One of the non-Penn schools in this thread has the country's top-ranked programs in Comparative Literature and Brazilian Studies. So for kids interested in those areas, Penn does not have "stronger departments." The same is true for other schools in other fields.

We get it. You love Penn. Also, "Brown is the hottest university in the country" person, we get it - you love trolling people by getting them worked up about Brown.

NP. Penn is still higher ranked in the public eye, and it’s on more US and international rankings, than Brown or Dartmouth. Whatever you think of deoaetmentsnon a case-by-case basis, these rankings generally go for broader academic gestalt. I can’t believe we’re still discussing this.

News flash for the Penn booster.... there is no one "public eye". And lets be honest here, most of the public doesn't know the difference between UPenn and Penn State.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's comical how overrated Northwestern, WashU, Penn and Georgetown are by desperate helicopter parents.

It is comical how Brown and Dartmouth parents can't handle simple facts.

[Anonymous]

Save for now MIT should be top 5 with how tech has taken off, this probably most accurate, before us news rigged it.

In 1988, US News published a top-25 list for the first time. It was again based simply on a survey of 1329 college presidents who chose the ten best colleges in their same Carnegie classification.

national universities
(1)Stanford
(2)Harvard
(3)Yale
(4)Princeton
(5)UC Berkeley
(6)Dartmouth
(7)Duke
(8)U Chicago
(8)U Michigan
(10)Brown
(11)Cornell
(11)MIT
(11)UNC Chapel Hill
(14)Rice
(15)UVA
(16)Johns Hopkins
(17)Northwestern
(18)Columbia
(19)U Penn
(20)U Illinois
(21)Caltech
(22)William and Mary
(23)U Wisconsin
(23)Washington U St Louis
(25)Emory
(25)U Texas

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Zeke is probably at Penn because it's closest Ivy to DC.

Probably because it is the second-strongest ivy for busies-medicine combo, and it is much closer to DC than Harvard. Still wouldn't go if Dartmouth or Brown was in Philly instead of Penn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia and UPenn tend to rank higher in most rankings and have stronger departments, which is why your GC might be saying that. But does this mean they are better (what does that even mean?) or more prestigious colleges? Hardly.
The ONLY objective difference in prestige is between H vs the rest and HYP vs non-HYP. Parsing any further differences among the lower ivies is just a desperate attempt by certain insecure boosters to elevate their school.

Anonymous wrote:Penn A&S (and Penn in general) has stronger departments and more renowned faculty than Brown and Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:
Penn A&S (and Penn in general) has stronger departments and more renowned faculty than Brown and Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:In any case, Penn performs better in practically every ranking out there, it has overall stronger departments, more renowned faculty, stronger research output, higher RD yield rate, and according to the CDS documents Penn admits have a bit higher SATs/ACTs and GPAs/ranks than Brown and Dartmouth admits.

Anonymous wrote:Hardly. Penn has much stronger departments than Brown and Dartmouth even outside of Wharton. I agree about lay prestige though, all non-HYP ivies are similar.

Hey, Penn "stronger departments" person, please give it a rest. I've worked in higher ed for almost 20 years, and "stronger departments" is a meaningless designation that I have literally never heard anyone in academe ever utter at any point. One of the non-Penn schools in this thread has the country's top-ranked programs in Comparative Literature and Brazilian Studies. So for kids interested in those areas, Penn does not have "stronger departments." The same is true for other schools in other fields.

We get it. You love Penn. Also, "Brown is the hottest university in the country" person, we get it - you love trolling people by getting them worked up about Brown.

NP. Penn is still higher ranked in the public eye, and it’s on more US and international rankings, than Brown or Dartmouth. Whatever you think of deoaetmentsnon a case-by-case basis, these rankings generally go for broader academic gestalt. I can’t believe we’re still discussing this.

News flash for the Penn booster.... there is no one "public eye". And lets be honest here, most of the public doesn't know the difference between UPenn and Penn State.

Shall we call you the Penn Basher? Or are you the “Brown is so hot” booster or a Dartmouth booster? You seem fairly blinkered yourself.

[Anonymous]

You people are answering the OP's original question.....yes, there is a difference between these schools precisely because they appeal to different kinds of people. To each their own. Now, can we just put this topic to rest because all of you boosters have become gigantic bores.

[Anonymous]

Penn is going to have to work harder to get the Trump stench off.

[Anonymous]

In 2017...

Penn is obnoxious Jewish and Asian kids who will knife you to get ahead. Dartmouth is conservative prep schoolers. Brown is liberal prep schools & Hollywood kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 2017...

Penn is obnoxious Jewish and Asian kids who will knife you to get ahead. Dartmouth is conservative prep schoolers. Brown is liberal prep schools & Hollywood kids.

Didn't you already post this drivel? Move along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2017...

Penn is obnoxious Jewish and Asian kids who will knife you to get ahead. Dartmouth is conservative prep schoolers. Brown is liberal prep schools & Hollywood kids.

Didn't you already post this drivel? Move along.

DP but PP nailed the perception of those schools. Add suburban kids pretending to be miserable urban hipsters for Columbia, and the leftovers for Cornell, and you've got the non-HYP Ivies.