Rich v Affluent

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. Rich in my opinion means you very very rarely ever need to consider the cost of something. You have SO much money, it almost becomes a nonissue.

We have a HHI > 600k, savings (excluding house) > 3M, and I don't consider us rich.

You agree that a college professor currently vacationing in Spain, owns a four-bedroom 3000 SF colonial, and drives a Lexus, is "poor"?

Not everything is rich or poor, middle class is in between

Agree! The college professor is middle class. But the idea that people with grad degrees earning around $100k and enjoying many niceties of life are "poor" is indicative of the out-of-touch bubble that some DCUMers live in.

....actually, the college professor is upper-middle class.

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Anonymous wrote:In DC, any dual income couple in their 30's or older making less than $150k is flat out poor. There is no other way to properly describe that couple. $150k-400k middle. $400-$1 million upper middle. Million plus is affluent. $2 million plus is rich.

http://www.dcfpi.org/interactive-how-does-your-household-income-compare-to-other-dc-households-2-2

So:

1-85% = poor
85-98% = middle class
98-99.9% = upper middle class
99.9%+ = rich

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Those stats are for all D.C., not NW. It's ridiculous for a couple that lives in NW and has HHI of $150k to think they are 85% income level by counting bc NE Andy i guarantee any couples who make that in NW do consider themselves poor and rightly so. We are mid-40's - by our mid 30's we were at HHI $600k. I haven't met a couple living in NW that makes less than $150 in my life, other than a year or so after grad school when friends were in their 20's. Describing a family that can't afford to send their kids to private as middle class is foolish- that alone qualifies you as poor.

Excuse me while i go bang my head against a wall.
You don't get it and apparently never will.
There are many, many, many families in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond who live on less than this in NW DC.
I know many of them. Lovely, very well educated, professional, well-spoken, well-traveled families.

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN NW DC DOESN'T WORK IN BIG LAW, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, INVESTMENT BANKING OR SUB-SPECIALTY MEDICINE!!!!!

how hard is it to understand that?

+ 1 I can't believe the bubble some of these entitled, ignorant DCUM posters live in!

So not being able to afford the $20k per kid to send them to private school makes you "poor"?! Guess what - 95% of the people can't afford that. Are you saying all Americans, other than the overpaid lawyers and sub-specialty doctors, are poor?

What about the well-educated accountants....architects.....writers.....microbiologists.....who average less than $100,000? Are they all poor? What about me - $110,000 in my 50s, with season theater tickets, biweekly maid service, and trips to Europe? (I posted before.) Am I poor?

What about my friend, who is an assistant professor and earns less than $100,000? She's in Spain right now, on vacation, and drives a premium car. Is she poor?

What about another friend, an editor, who together with her husband pulls in $120,000? Each of her four kids have their own IPhone and Ipad, and the family just went to Disneyworld this week. Are they poor?

Leave your over privileged little enclave and see what middle-class is. YOU, on the other hand, are rich.

Yes dear, you are poor...and sad, because you keep posting about this. Give it a rest. The argument that your poor friends have iPhones and iPads for their kids and went to Disney is a weak one. I work with many people who live in Section 8, are on Medicaid and food stamps, and have iPhones for themselves and their kids. They go to Disney with their tax refunds.

You are crazy. According to you, 98% of Americans are poor, even the ones with $1 million net worth and who enjoy international travel, maid service, and opera tickets.

And I'm not the only one posting about this. You are an out-of-touch snob.

Hm, I've really touched a nerve haven't I? You need to consider why you become so defensive when others express different opinions from yours. I don't know why you keep bringing up random things like opera tickets and travel. Like I said, I work with many people who are on government benefits, and most of them travel and spend money on luxuries now and then. Literally every single one has a smartphone for themselves and their kids. It doesn't mean they're not poor. Face it, most of America is poor.

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Anonymous wrote:In DC, any dual income couple in their 30's or older making less than $150k is flat out poor. There is no other way to properly describe that couple. $150k-400k middle. $400-$1 million upper middle. Million plus is affluent. $2 million plus is rich.

http://www.dcfpi.org/interactive-how-does-your-household-income-compare-to-other-dc-households-2-2

So:

1-85% = poor
85-98% = middle class
98-99.9% = upper middle class
99.9%+ = rich

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Those stats are for all D.C., not NW. It's ridiculous for a couple that lives in NW and has HHI of $150k to think they are 85% income level by counting bc NE Andy i guarantee any couples who make that in NW do consider themselves poor and rightly so. We are mid-40's - by our mid 30's we were at HHI $600k. I haven't met a couple living in NW that makes less than $150 in my life, other than a year or so after grad school when friends were in their 20's. Describing a family that can't afford to send their kids to private as middle class is foolish- that alone qualifies you as poor.

Excuse me while i go bang my head against a wall.
You don't get it and apparently never will.
There are many, many, many families in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond who live on less than this in NW DC.
I know many of them. Lovely, very well educated, professional, well-spoken, well-traveled families.

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN NW DC DOESN'T WORK IN BIG LAW, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, INVESTMENT BANKING OR SUB-SPECIALTY MEDICINE!!!!!

how hard is it to understand that?

+ 1 I can't believe the bubble some of these entitled, ignorant DCUM posters live in!

So not being able to afford the $20k per kid to send them to private school makes you "poor"?! Guess what - 95% of the people can't afford that. Are you saying all Americans, other than the overpaid lawyers and sub-specialty doctors, are poor?

What about the well-educated accountants....architects.....writers.....microbiologists.....who average less than $100,000? Are they all poor? What about me - $110,000 in my 50s, with season theater tickets, biweekly maid service, and trips to Europe? (I posted before.) Am I poor?

What about my friend, who is an assistant professor and earns less than $100,000? She's in Spain right now, on vacation, and drives a premium car. Is she poor?

What about another friend, an editor, who together with her husband pulls in $120,000? Each of her four kids have their own IPhone and Ipad, and the family just went to Disneyworld this week. Are they poor?

Leave your over privileged little enclave and see what middle-class is. YOU, on the other hand, are rich.

Yes dear, you are poor...and sad, because you keep posting about this. Give it a rest. The argument that your poor friends have iPhones and iPads for their kids and went to Disney is a weak one. I work with many people who live in Section 8, are on Medicaid and food stamps, and have iPhones for themselves and their kids. They go to Disney with their tax refunds.

You are crazy. According to you, 98% of Americans are poor, even the ones with $1 million net worth and who enjoy international travel, maid service, and opera tickets.

And I'm not the only one posting about this. You are an out-of-touch snob.

Hm, I've really touched a nerve haven't I? You need to consider why you become so defensive when others express different opinions from yours. I don't know why you keep bringing up random things like opera tickets and travel. Like I said, I work with many people who are on government benefits, and most of them travel and spend money on luxuries now and then. Literally every single one has a smartphone for themselves and their kids. It doesn't mean they're not poor. Face it, most of America is poor.

No...what is touching a nerve is that there is someone who seems to enjoy calling everyone in America "poor" - even those with a seven-figure net worth who live very comfortably. Why do you enjoy calling successful, educated professionals poor? That is not only an extremely snobby and inaccurate portrayal, it's mean. I guess it bothers me that there are bullies who love to tell successful people that they failures.

It would be as if someone with a Ph.D. called people with Master's degrees uneducated, when they probably represent the top 10% in terms of educational attainment.

And most of America is NOT poor. Most of America is lower-middle class. I am upper-middle class. You..in the top 1%....are rich.

[Anonymous]

I live very nicely on less than $100,000. I don't get how people say that's poor.

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Anonymous wrote:In DC, any dual income couple in their 30's or older making less than $150k is flat out poor. There is no other way to properly describe that couple. $150k-400k middle. $400-$1 million upper middle. Million plus is affluent. $2 million plus is rich.

http://www.dcfpi.org/interactive-how-does-your-household-income-compare-to-other-dc-households-2-2

So:

1-85% = poor
85-98% = middle class
98-99.9% = upper middle class
99.9%+ = rich

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Those stats are for all D.C., not NW. It's ridiculous for a couple that lives in NW and has HHI of $150k to think they are 85% income level by counting bc NE Andy i guarantee any couples who make that in NW do consider themselves poor and rightly so. We are mid-40's - by our mid 30's we were at HHI $600k. I haven't met a couple living in NW that makes less than $150 in my life, other than a year or so after grad school when friends were in their 20's. Describing a family that can't afford to send their kids to private as middle class is foolish- that alone qualifies you as poor.

Excuse me while i go bang my head against a wall.
You don't get it and apparently never will.
There are many, many, many families in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond who live on less than this in NW DC.
I know many of them. Lovely, very well educated, professional, well-spoken, well-traveled families.

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN NW DC DOESN'T WORK IN BIG LAW, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, INVESTMENT BANKING OR SUB-SPECIALTY MEDICINE!!!!!

how hard is it to understand that?

+ 1 I can't believe the bubble some of these entitled, ignorant DCUM posters live in!

So not being able to afford the $20k per kid to send them to private school makes you "poor"?! Guess what - 95% of the people can't afford that. Are you saying all Americans, other than the overpaid lawyers and sub-specialty doctors, are poor?

What about the well-educated accountants....architects.....writers.....microbiologists.....who average less than $100,000? Are they all poor? What about me - $110,000 in my 50s, with season theater tickets, biweekly maid service, and trips to Europe? (I posted before.) Am I poor?

What about my friend, who is an assistant professor and earns less than $100,000? She's in Spain right now, on vacation, and drives a premium car. Is she poor?

What about another friend, an editor, who together with her husband pulls in $120,000? Each of her four kids have their own IPhone and Ipad, and the family just went to Disneyworld this week. Are they poor?

Leave your over privileged little enclave and see what middle-class is. YOU, on the other hand, are rich.

Are you liberal or conservative?

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Anonymous wrote:In DC, any dual income couple in their 30's or older making less than $150k is flat out poor. There is no other way to properly describe that couple. $150k-400k middle. $400-$1 million upper middle. Million plus is affluent. $2 million plus is rich.

http://www.dcfpi.org/interactive-how-does-your-household-income-compare-to-other-dc-households-2-2

So:

1-85% = poor
85-98% = middle class
98-99.9% = upper middle class
99.9%+ = rich

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Those stats are for all D.C., not NW. It's ridiculous for a couple that lives in NW and has HHI of $150k to think they are 85% income level by counting bc NE Andy i guarantee any couples who make that in NW do consider themselves poor and rightly so. We are mid-40's - by our mid 30's we were at HHI $600k. I haven't met a couple living in NW that makes less than $150 in my life, other than a year or so after grad school when friends were in their 20's. Describing a family that can't afford to send their kids to private as middle class is foolish- that alone qualifies you as poor.

Excuse me while i go bang my head against a wall.
You don't get it and apparently never will.
There are many, many, many families in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond who live on less than this in NW DC.
I know many of them. Lovely, very well educated, professional, well-spoken, well-traveled families.

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN NW DC DOESN'T WORK IN BIG LAW, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, INVESTMENT BANKING OR SUB-SPECIALTY MEDICINE!!!!!

how hard is it to understand that?

+ 1 I can't believe the bubble some of these entitled, ignorant DCUM posters live in!

So not being able to afford the $20k per kid to send them to private school makes you "poor"?! Guess what - 95% of the people can't afford that. Are you saying all Americans, other than the overpaid lawyers and sub-specialty doctors, are poor?

What about the well-educated accountants....architects.....writers.....microbiologists.....who average less than $100,000? Are they all poor? What about me - $110,000 in my 50s, with season theater tickets, biweekly maid service, and trips to Europe? (I posted before.) Am I poor?

What about my friend, who is an assistant professor and earns less than $100,000? She's in Spain right now, on vacation, and drives a premium car. Is she poor?

What about another friend, an editor, who together with her husband pulls in $120,000? Each of her four kids have their own IPhone and Ipad, and the family just went to Disneyworld this week. Are they poor?

Leave your over privileged little enclave and see what middle-class is. YOU, on the other hand, are rich.

Yes dear, you are poor...and sad, because you keep posting about this. Give it a rest. The argument that your poor friends have iPhones and iPads for their kids and went to Disney is a weak one. I work with many people who live in Section 8, are on Medicaid and food stamps, and have iPhones for themselves and their kids. They go to Disney with their tax refunds.

You are crazy. According to you, 98% of Americans are poor, even the ones with $1 million net worth and who enjoy international travel, maid service, and opera tickets.

And I'm not the only one posting about this. You are an out-of-touch snob.

Hm, I've really touched a nerve haven't I? You need to consider why you become so defensive when others express different opinions from yours. I don't know why you keep bringing up random things like opera tickets and travel. Like I said, I work with many people who are on government benefits, and most of them travel and spend money on luxuries now and then. Literally every single one has a smartphone for themselves and their kids. It doesn't mean they're not poor. Face it, most of America is poor.

No...what is touching a nerve is that there is someone who seems to enjoy calling everyone in America "poor" - even those with a seven-figure net worth who live very comfortably. Why do you enjoy calling successful, educated professionals poor? That is not only an extremely snobby and inaccurate portrayal, it's mean. I guess it bothers me that there are bullies who love to tell successful people that they failures.

It would be as if someone with a Ph.D. called people with Master's degrees uneducated, when they probably represent the top 10% in terms of educational attainment.

And most of America is NOT poor. Most of America is lower-middle class. I am upper-middle class. You..in the top 1%....are rich.

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I'm not certain how best to carve up the American population, or what labels are most appropriate to each economic strata and social class. However, it's just bonkers to label most Americans as "poor." For one thing, this language is highly dismissive of people who work good jobs and live perfectly fine lives. For another thing, its sloppy and obscures the very significant differences in people's economic situations.

Here is poor: living in a house with a roof that leaks, a foreclosure notice waiting the front stoop, with the power turned off 3 weeks ago, and to have an abscess in your mouth. You are taking big doses of ibproferin in order to ignore this urgent health condition, because you have no idea how to pay a dentist and no credit.

This is decidedly different than living in a 1950s rancher, having money for food and mortgage, driving two cars, and an under-funded retirement account.

And that is decidedly different from a young professional who pays a nanny, fully funds a 401k, drives a Lexus, and is looking forward to making the final payment on her student loans next year.

If you want to slap the word poor on all of these people, then you have defined it in such a fuzzy way that its no longer useful.

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Anonymous wrote:Rich is net worth. Income certainly can be conducive to net worth, but it is not the same as net worth. Don't talk to me about incomes and 'rich.' Rich is assets.

That's ridiculous. So someone who makes $1M per year, but spends it all is not rich.

There are several very wealthy athletes and Hollywood celebrities who end up with virtually nothing because they spend it frivolously. That doesn't mean they weren't rich.

Were only rich while the money lasted.

The fact that all the money can be spent means the person/family is not actually rich, but extremely wealthy.

If one has to think about what they purchase (including jets and/or yachts) they are not actually rich. Certainly they are wealthier than the rest of us, but not truly rich like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Saudi princes, etc.

This. If you are worth seven digits you are affluent if you are worth 10 digits you are rich.

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Anonymous wrote:In DC, any dual income couple in their 30's or older making less than $150k is flat out poor. There is no other way to properly describe that couple. $150k-400k middle. $400-$1 million upper middle. Million plus is affluent. $2 million plus is rich.

http://www.dcfpi.org/interactive-how-does-your-household-income-compare-to-other-dc-households-2-2

So:

1-85% = poor
85-98% = middle class
98-99.9% = upper middle class
99.9%+ = rich

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Those stats are for all D.C., not NW. It's ridiculous for a couple that lives in NW and has HHI of $150k to think they are 85% income level by counting bc NE Andy i guarantee any couples who make that in NW do consider themselves poor and rightly so. We are mid-40's - by our mid 30's we were at HHI $600k. I haven't met a couple living in NW that makes less than $150 in my life, other than a year or so after grad school when friends were in their 20's. Describing a family that can't afford to send their kids to private as middle class is foolish- that alone qualifies you as poor.

Excuse me while i go bang my head against a wall.
You don't get it and apparently never will.
There are many, many, many families in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond who live on less than this in NW DC.
I know many of them. Lovely, very well educated, professional, well-spoken, well-traveled families.

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN NW DC DOESN'T WORK IN BIG LAW, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, INVESTMENT BANKING OR SUB-SPECIALTY MEDICINE!!!!!

how hard is it to understand that?

+ 1 I can't believe the bubble some of these entitled, ignorant DCUM posters live in!

So not being able to afford the $20k per kid to send them to private school makes you "poor"?! Guess what - 95% of the people can't afford that. Are you saying all Americans, other than the overpaid lawyers and sub-specialty doctors, are poor?

What about the well-educated accountants....architects.....writers.....microbiologists.....who average less than $100,000? Are they all poor? What about me - $110,000 in my 50s, with season theater tickets, biweekly maid service, and trips to Europe? (I posted before.) Am I poor?

What about my friend, who is an assistant professor and earns less than $100,000? She's in Spain right now, on vacation, and drives a premium car. Is she poor?

What about another friend, an editor, who together with her husband pulls in $120,000? Each of her four kids have their own IPhone and Ipad, and the family just went to Disneyworld this week. Are they poor?

Leave your over privileged little enclave and see what middle-class is. YOU, on the other hand, are rich.

Are you liberal or conservative?

Who are you asking....the woman with the 7-figure net worth who insists she's not poor, or the snob who insists she is?

Regardless, my guess is that the woman worth $1 million is a conservative, and the snob who says she's poor is a liberal.

What is your guess?

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Can any of you who want us to believe $300K is not affluent tell me why you persist in arguing that you are "middle class"? I've asked this before on DCUM -- why are you so deeply ashamed of what you have?

Is it because you know you only have it for reasons that have nothing to do with your merit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can any of you who want us to believe $300K is not affluent tell me why you persist in arguing that you are "middle class"? I've asked this before on DCUM -- why are you so deeply ashamed of what you have?

Is it because you know you only have it for reasons that have nothing to do with your merit?

Because they currently "have" nothing, other than a good income. Which can disappear tomorrow. Now, if they can earn $300k for 20 years and be smart about saving, then they will likely end up affluent. You are confusing income with affluence. They are two very different things.

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Anonymous wrote:In DC, any dual income couple in their 30's or older making less than $150k is flat out poor. There is no other way to properly describe that couple. $150k-400k middle. $400-$1 million upper middle. Million plus is affluent. $2 million plus is rich.

http://www.dcfpi.org/interactive-how-does-your-household-income-compare-to-other-dc-households-2-2

So:

1-85% = poor
85-98% = middle class
98-99.9% = upper middle class
99.9%+ = rich

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Those stats are for all D.C., not NW. It's ridiculous for a couple that lives in NW and has HHI of $150k to think they are 85% income level by counting bc NE Andy i guarantee any couples who make that in NW do consider themselves poor and rightly so. We are mid-40's - by our mid 30's we were at HHI $600k. I haven't met a couple living in NW that makes less than $150 in my life, other than a year or so after grad school when friends were in their 20's. Describing a family that can't afford to send their kids to private as middle class is foolish- that alone qualifies you as poor.

Excuse me while i go bang my head against a wall.
You don't get it and apparently never will.
There are many, many, many families in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond who live on less than this in NW DC.
I know many of them. Lovely, very well educated, professional, well-spoken, well-traveled families.

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN NW DC DOESN'T WORK IN BIG LAW, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, INVESTMENT BANKING OR SUB-SPECIALTY MEDICINE!!!!!

how hard is it to understand that?

+ 1 I can't believe the bubble some of these entitled, ignorant DCUM posters live in!

So not being able to afford the $20k per kid to send them to private school makes you "poor"?! Guess what - 95% of the people can't afford that. Are you saying all Americans, other than the overpaid lawyers and sub-specialty doctors, are poor?

What about the well-educated accountants....architects.....writers.....microbiologists.....who average less than $100,000? Are they all poor? What about me - $110,000 in my 50s, with season theater tickets, biweekly maid service, and trips to Europe? (I posted before.) Am I poor?

What about my friend, who is an assistant professor and earns less than $100,000? She's in Spain right now, on vacation, and drives a premium car. Is she poor?

What about another friend, an editor, who together with her husband pulls in $120,000? Each of her four kids have their own IPhone and Ipad, and the family just went to Disneyworld this week. Are they poor?

Leave your over privileged little enclave and see what middle-class is. YOU, on the other hand, are rich.

It's 40k a year per kid for private and I think the people you describe are low income. Obviously, lpw income doesnt mean they are not smart or uneducated. But in NW, definitely low income.

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Anonymous wrote:In DC, any dual income couple in their 30's or older making less than $150k is flat out poor. There is no other way to properly describe that couple. $150k-400k middle. $400-$1 million upper middle. Million plus is affluent. $2 million plus is rich.

http://www.dcfpi.org/interactive-how-does-your-household-income-compare-to-other-dc-households-2-2

So:

1-85% = poor
85-98% = middle class
98-99.9% = upper middle class
99.9%+ = rich

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Those stats are for all D.C., not NW. It's ridiculous for a couple that lives in NW and has HHI of $150k to think they are 85% income level by counting bc NE Andy i guarantee any couples who make that in NW do consider themselves poor and rightly so. We are mid-40's - by our mid 30's we were at HHI $600k. I haven't met a couple living in NW that makes less than $150 in my life, other than a year or so after grad school when friends were in their 20's. Describing a family that can't afford to send their kids to private as middle class is foolish- that alone qualifies you as poor.

Excuse me while i go bang my head against a wall.
You don't get it and apparently never will.
There are many, many, many families in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond who live on less than this in NW DC.
I know many of them. Lovely, very well educated, professional, well-spoken, well-traveled families.

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN NW DC DOESN'T WORK IN BIG LAW, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, INVESTMENT BANKING OR SUB-SPECIALTY MEDICINE!!!!!

how hard is it to understand that?

+ 1 I can't believe the bubble some of these entitled, ignorant DCUM posters live in!

So not being able to afford the $20k per kid to send them to private school makes you "poor"?! Guess what - 95% of the people can't afford that. Are you saying all Americans, other than the overpaid lawyers and sub-specialty doctors, are poor?

What about the well-educated accountants....architects.....writers.....microbiologists.....who average less than $100,000? Are they all poor? What about me - $110,000 in my 50s, with season theater tickets, biweekly maid service, and trips to Europe? (I posted before.) Am I poor?

What about my friend, who is an assistant professor and earns less than $100,000? She's in Spain right now, on vacation, and drives a premium car. Is she poor?

What about another friend, an editor, who together with her husband pulls in $120,000? Each of her four kids have their own IPhone and Ipad, and the family just went to Disneyworld this week. Are they poor?

Leave your over privileged little enclave and see what middle-class is. YOU, on the other hand, are rich.

It's 40k a year per kid for private and I think the people you describe are low income. Obviously, lpw income doesnt mean they are not smart or uneducated. But in NW, definitely low income.

LOL. An individual earning $100,000 is in the top 15%. Hardly low income. What are you people smoking?

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Please please please for sweet Baby Jesus's sake, stop using international travel or our "nice vacations"
as a marker of wealth. It's so petty and unimpressive- oh, I travel to Paris for vacation, that's an indication that Im well off. No, actually its not. We travel on vacas - prob over $50k a year, but its such an incomsequential amount of money it never occurs to me. Instead of counting petty little vacas, count how many houses you own, or how many people you have working for you inside amd outside your home.

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Anonymous wrote:In DC, any dual income couple in their 30's or older making less than $150k is flat out poor. There is no other way to properly describe that couple. $150k-400k middle. $400-$1 million upper middle. Million plus is affluent. $2 million plus is rich.

http://www.dcfpi.org/interactive-how-does-your-household-income-compare-to-other-dc-households-2-2

So:

1-85% = poor
85-98% = middle class
98-99.9% = upper middle class
99.9%+ = rich

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Those stats are for all D.C., not NW. It's ridiculous for a couple that lives in NW and has HHI of $150k to think they are 85% income level by counting bc NE Andy i guarantee any couples who make that in NW do consider themselves poor and rightly so. We are mid-40's - by our mid 30's we were at HHI $600k. I haven't met a couple living in NW that makes less than $150 in my life, other than a year or so after grad school when friends were in their 20's. Describing a family that can't afford to send their kids to private as middle class is foolish- that alone qualifies you as poor.

Excuse me while i go bang my head against a wall.
You don't get it and apparently never will.
There are many, many, many families in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond who live on less than this in NW DC.
I know many of them. Lovely, very well educated, professional, well-spoken, well-traveled families.

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN NW DC DOESN'T WORK IN BIG LAW, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, INVESTMENT BANKING OR SUB-SPECIALTY MEDICINE!!!!!

how hard is it to understand that?

+ 1 I can't believe the bubble some of these entitled, ignorant DCUM posters live in!

So not being able to afford the $20k per kid to send them to private school makes you "poor"?! Guess what - 95% of the people can't afford that. Are you saying all Americans, other than the overpaid lawyers and sub-specialty doctors, are poor?

What about the well-educated accountants....architects.....writers.....microbiologists.....who average less than $100,000? Are they all poor? What about me - $110,000 in my 50s, with season theater tickets, biweekly maid service, and trips to Europe? (I posted before.) Am I poor?

What about my friend, who is an assistant professor and earns less than $100,000? She's in Spain right now, on vacation, and drives a premium car. Is she poor?

What about another friend, an editor, who together with her husband pulls in $120,000? Each of her four kids have their own IPhone and Ipad, and the family just went to Disneyworld this week. Are they poor?

Leave your over privileged little enclave and see what middle-class is. YOU, on the other hand, are rich.

Yes dear, you are poor...and sad, because you keep posting about this. Give it a rest. The argument that your poor friends have iPhones and iPads for their kids and went to Disney is a weak one. I work with many people who live in Section 8, are on Medicaid and food stamps, and have iPhones for themselves and their kids. They go to Disney with their tax refunds.

You are crazy. According to you, 98% of Americans are poor, even the ones with $1 million net worth and who enjoy international travel, maid service, and opera tickets.

And I'm not the only one posting about this. You are an out-of-touch snob.

Hm, I've really touched a nerve haven't I? You need to consider why you become so defensive when others express different opinions from yours. I don't know why you keep bringing up random things like opera tickets and travel. Like I said, I work with many people who are on government benefits, and most of them travel and spend money on luxuries now and then. Literally every single one has a smartphone for themselves and their kids. It doesn't mean they're not poor. Face it, most of America is poor.

No...what is touching a nerve is that there is someone who seems to enjoy calling everyone in America "poor" - even those with a seven-figure net worth who live very comfortably. Why do you enjoy calling successful, educated professionals poor? That is not only an extremely snobby and inaccurate portrayal, it's mean. I guess it bothers me that there are bullies who love to tell successful people that they failures.

It would be as if someone with a Ph.D. called people with Master's degrees uneducated, when they probably represent the top 10% in terms of educational attainment.

And most of America is NOT poor. Most of America is lower-middle class. I am upper-middle class. You..in the top 1%....are rich.

If it makes you feel better to say you are UMC, then say it. But it doesnt change the reality that in NW, you are the poors. Look, I feel better if I tell people thag Im an astronaut. But it doesnt change the fact that Im not.

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Anonymous wrote:In DC, any dual income couple in their 30's or older making less than $150k is flat out poor. There is no other way to properly describe that couple. $150k-400k middle. $400-$1 million upper middle. Million plus is affluent. $2 million plus is rich.

http://www.dcfpi.org/interactive-how-does-your-household-income-compare-to-other-dc-households-2-2

So:

1-85% = poor
85-98% = middle class
98-99.9% = upper middle class
99.9%+ = rich

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Those stats are for all D.C., not NW. It's ridiculous for a couple that lives in NW and has HHI of $150k to think they are 85% income level by counting bc NE Andy i guarantee any couples who make that in NW do consider themselves poor and rightly so. We are mid-40's - by our mid 30's we were at HHI $600k. I haven't met a couple living in NW that makes less than $150 in my life, other than a year or so after grad school when friends were in their 20's. Describing a family that can't afford to send their kids to private as middle class is foolish- that alone qualifies you as poor.

Excuse me while i go bang my head against a wall.
You don't get it and apparently never will.
There are many, many, many families in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond who live on less than this in NW DC.
I know many of them. Lovely, very well educated, professional, well-spoken, well-traveled families.

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN NW DC DOESN'T WORK IN BIG LAW, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, INVESTMENT BANKING OR SUB-SPECIALTY MEDICINE!!!!!

how hard is it to understand that?

+ 1 I can't believe the bubble some of these entitled, ignorant DCUM posters live in!

So not being able to afford the $20k per kid to send them to private school makes you "poor"?! Guess what - 95% of the people can't afford that. Are you saying all Americans, other than the overpaid lawyers and sub-specialty doctors, are poor?

What about the well-educated accountants....architects.....writers.....microbiologists.....who average less than $100,000? Are they all poor? What about me - $110,000 in my 50s, with season theater tickets, biweekly maid service, and trips to Europe? (I posted before.) Am I poor?

What about my friend, who is an assistant professor and earns less than $100,000? She's in Spain right now, on vacation, and drives a premium car. Is she poor?

What about another friend, an editor, who together with her husband pulls in $120,000? Each of her four kids have their own IPhone and Ipad, and the family just went to Disneyworld this week. Are they poor?

Leave your over privileged little enclave and see what middle-class is. YOU, on the other hand, are rich.

Are you liberal or conservative?

Who are you asking....the woman with the 7-figure net worth who insists she's not poor, or the snob who insists she is?

Regardless, my guess is that the woman worth $1 million is a conservative, and the snob who says she's poor is a liberal.

What is your guess?

Interesting, I guessed the opposite