drug police dogs in APS HS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say something for AEM: At least those people put their names behind what they say rather than us cowards in the DCUM ghetto.

I do both. However, I will only call you a bitch here.

I'm on both too - and have been called a bitch there - must have been you

But seriously, most of the people on AEM seem to have an agenda on this topic that shifts almost all responsibility to APS while at the same time not wanting APS to enforce the law. Let's just change what those letters stand for - Arlington Public Social workers.

Naw I think most of those people clamoring for the drug dogs are more of your run-of-the-mill law and order types. I wouldn't read that like you are that they're interested in abdicating parental responsibility to the school. At least that's my take.

I do find it interesting that evidently this was initiated by ACPD, not the school itself. At least that claim was made today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say something for AEM: At least those people put their names behind what they say rather than us cowards in the DCUM ghetto.

I do both. However, I will only call you a bitch here.

I'm on both too - and have been called a bitch there - must have been you

But seriously, most of the people on AEM seem to have an agenda on this topic that shifts almost all responsibility to APS while at the same time not wanting APS to enforce the law. Let's just change what those letters stand for - Arlington Public Social workers.

Naw I think most of those people clamoring for the drug dogs are more of your run-of-the-mill law and order types. I wouldn't read that like you are that they're interested in abdicating parental responsibility to the school. At least that's my take.

I do find it interesting that evidently this was initiated by ACPD, not the school itself. At least that claim was made today.

Dude. Please try that again. This time with punctuation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say something for AEM: At least those people put their names behind what they say rather than us cowards in the DCUM ghetto.

I do both. However, I will only call you a bitch here.

I'm on both too - and have been called a bitch there - must have been you

But seriously, most of the people on AEM seem to have an agenda on this topic that shifts almost all responsibility to APS while at the same time not wanting APS to enforce the law. Let's just change what those letters stand for - Arlington Public Social workers.

Naw I think most of those people clamoring for the drug dogs are more of your run-of-the-mill law and order types. I wouldn't read that like you are that they're interested in abdicating parental responsibility to the school. At least that's my take.

I do find it interesting that evidently this was initiated by ACPD, not the school itself. At least that claim was made today.

Dude. Please try that again. This time with punctuation.

Fine.

1) A pp seemed to suggest a lot of people cheering the drug dogs are really just absentee parents who think APS should stand for "Arlington Public Social workers." I said I don't think that's the case -- that they seem to be more reactionary law and order types. I'm sure they're good parents.

2) Separately, it was posted today that this is happening at the request of the POLICE DEPARTMENT. The schools did not initiated it and apparently the School Board didn't even know.

[Anonymous]

It was funny how one person was asked if she drinks alcohol, the subtext being that the nonsense she was posting suggested day drinking was involved. But I think the slam went over her head.

[Anonymous]

ACPD doesn't owe parents a heads up. That's the only thing that went wrong in this scenario. APS shouldn't have announced it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ACPD doesn't owe parents a heads up. That's the only thing that went wrong in this scenario. APS shouldn't have announced it.

Why not? How is this any different than announcing DUI checkpoints? The goal is to get the drugs out of the school -- announcing the drug dogs will accomplish that goal. The goal isn't to catch the bad guys and incarcerate students. At least I don't think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say something for AEM: At least those people put their names behind what they say rather than us cowards in the DCUM ghetto.

I do both. However, I will only call you a bitch here.

I'm on both too - and have been called a bitch there - must have been you

But seriously, most of the people on AEM seem to have an agenda on this topic that shifts almost all responsibility to APS while at the same time not wanting APS to enforce the law. Let's just change what those letters stand for - Arlington Public Social workers.

Naw I think most of those people clamoring for the drug dogs are more of your run-of-the-mill law and order types. I wouldn't read that like you are that they're interested in abdicating parental responsibility to the school. At least that's my take.

I do find it interesting that evidently this was initiated by ACPD, not the school itself. At least that claim was made today.

Dude. Please try that again. This time with punctuation.

Fine.

1) A pp seemed to suggest a lot of people cheering the drug dogs are really just absentee parents who think APS should stand for "Arlington Public Social workers." I said I don't think that's the case -- that they seem to be more reactionary law and order types. I'm sure they're good parents.

2) Separately, it was posted today that this is happening at the request of the POLICE DEPARTMENT. The schools did not initiated it and apparently the School Board didn't even know.

They did not initiate it but they did approve it and I don't think it's unreasonable to believe the school administration knows a whole lot more than parents do about the drug problems in their schools. A lot of the AEM comments come off as parents trying their hardest to believe that the drug problem can't be that bad. I have no reason to distrust the police department and school administration judgement that it is a problem. Are dogs the right step now, I don't know but I'm willing to go with them knowing more than I do. I'd like to hear more from the district about next steps and, now that they have parents' attention, more education as to how the district handles drug/alcohol issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say something for AEM: At least those people put their names behind what they say rather than us cowards in the DCUM ghetto.

I do both. However, I will only call you a bitch here.

I'm on both too - and have been called a bitch there - must have been you

But seriously, most of the people on AEM seem to have an agenda on this topic that shifts almost all responsibility to APS while at the same time not wanting APS to enforce the law. Let's just change what those letters stand for - Arlington Public Social workers.

Naw I think most of those people clamoring for the drug dogs are more of your run-of-the-mill law and order types. I wouldn't read that like you are that they're interested in abdicating parental responsibility to the school. At least that's my take.

I do find it interesting that evidently this was initiated by ACPD, not the school itself. At least that claim was made today.

Dude. Please try that again. This time with punctuation.

Fine.

1) A pp seemed to suggest a lot of people cheering the drug dogs are really just absentee parents who think APS should stand for "Arlington Public Social workers." I said I don't think that's the case -- that they seem to be more reactionary law and order types. I'm sure they're good parents.

2) Separately, it was posted today that this is happening at the request of the POLICE DEPARTMENT. The schools did not initiated it and apparently the School Board didn't even know.

They did not initiate it but they did approve it and I don't think it's unreasonable to believe the school administration knows a whole lot more than parents do about the drug problems in their schools. A lot of the AEM comments come off as parents trying their hardest to believe that the drug problem can't be that bad. I have no reason to distrust the police department and school administration judgement that it is a problem. Are dogs the right step now, I don't know but I'm willing to go with them knowing more than I do. I'd like to hear more from the district about next steps and, now that they have parents' attention, more education as to how the district handles drug/alcohol issues.

As do I. The difference between us is no, I *don't* trust APS on this. I might trust ACPD a little more, but in general I harbor a distrust for law enforcement agencies these days. And we *are* owed a better explanation of just how extensive the problem is before this step is taken. Note: I don't disagree with the dogs. I just want to know why they're necessary at this time.

[Anonymous]

Without getting into the bickering back and forth, here are a few points:

- The drug problem at YHS and WMS is bad. If you don't think so you are fooling yourself. Ask kids who are at either school -- if they are honest and aware they will tell you drug use is prevalent. It also is an unneeded social pressure that many of these kids feel.

- The drug dog tours after school are useless. My child, a YHS student, when she heard about this said "most kids don't even use their lockers. And they certainly aren't going to leave drugs in a locker overnight. Especially now that the use of drug sniffing dogs has been announced." I think this is pretty obvious and makes me believe this is just a way for APS to say "see -- no drugs -- no problem here."

- The schools can play a role in fighting the drug problem, but parents have to take the lead. The casual attitude about drugs/alcohol/sex that you see from the average N. Arlington parent is shocking. Until more parents change their attitude and become more actively involved in their kids' lives, the problem will not get better. Yes, a lot of 2 working parent households in demanding careers, but you have to make parenting your number one job. I'm not sure I agree with these "police state" comments in this thread. Best thing you can do is develop an open, honest relationship with your kids. You want them talking to you, especially when sh!t gets real, not afraid of you. I'm not saying be soft -- make sure they understand that you have zero tolerance for certain things. But your kids need to know that you know they are going to screw up sometimes, and you are there to support them when they do. Parenting isn't easy -- the vast majority of us need to put more effort into it.

[Anonymous]

ACPD has an exemplary reputation. This isn't some podunk back water with Barney Fife.
Of course what did I expect from Arlington parents? Of course some shmuck who "thinks big" for a living is much more qualified to deal with our drug problems.
Golly, why aren't the ACPD inviting them over to help strategize. It's a mystery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say something for AEM: At least those people put their names behind what they say rather than us cowards in the DCUM ghetto.

I do both. However, I will only call you a bitch here.

I'm on both too - and have been called a bitch there - must have been you

But seriously, most of the people on AEM seem to have an agenda on this topic that shifts almost all responsibility to APS while at the same time not wanting APS to enforce the law. Let's just change what those letters stand for - Arlington Public Social workers.

Naw I think most of those people clamoring for the drug dogs are more of your run-of-the-mill law and order types. I wouldn't read that like you are that they're interested in abdicating parental responsibility to the school. At least that's my take.

I do find it interesting that evidently this was initiated by ACPD, not the school itself. At least that claim was made today.

Dude. Please try that again. This time with punctuation.

Fine.

1) A pp seemed to suggest a lot of people cheering the drug dogs are really just absentee parents who think APS should stand for "Arlington Public Social workers." I said I don't think that's the case -- that they seem to be more reactionary law and order types. I'm sure they're good parents.

2) Separately, it was posted today that this is happening at the request of the POLICE DEPARTMENT. The schools did not initiated it and apparently the School Board didn't even know.

No, that was not what I meant. I meant that many of the parents commenting on the AEM threads seem to want to minimize the extent of the problem and abdicate any personal or parental responsibility but then at the same time seem to think it's up to APS to solve it with a lot of policy that doesn't involve any repercussions. And no dogs either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Without getting into the bickering back and forth, here are a few points:

- The drug problem at YHS and WMS is bad. If you don't think so you are fooling yourself. Ask kids who are at either school -- if they are honest and aware they will tell you drug use is prevalent. It also is an unneeded social pressure that many of these kids feel.

- The drug dog tours after school are useless. My child, a YHS student, when she heard about this said "most kids don't even use their lockers. And they certainly aren't going to leave drugs in a locker overnight. Especially now that the use of drug sniffing dogs has been announced." I think this is pretty obvious and makes me believe this is just a way for APS to say "see -- no drugs -- no problem here."

- The schools can play a role in fighting the drug problem, but parents have to take the lead. The casual attitude about drugs/alcohol/sex that you see from the average N. Arlington parent is shocking. Until more parents change their attitude and become more actively involved in their kids' lives, the problem will not get better. Yes, a lot of 2 working parent households in demanding careers, but you have to make parenting your number one job. I'm not sure I agree with these "police state" comments in this thread. Best thing you can do is develop an open, honest relationship with your kids. You want them talking to you, especially when sh!t gets real, not afraid of you. I'm not saying be soft -- make sure they understand that you have zero tolerance for certain things. But your kids need to know that you know they are going to screw up sometimes, and you are there to support them when they do. Parenting isn't easy -- the vast majority of us need to put more effort into it.

+1

This same group of parents are saying it is perfectly normal for a 40-60 year old man to ask a 12-year old if he needs a ride at 8am. I was astonished when I read a thread after the police report about a man trying to lure a kid into his car on N.Harrison St---was that it's too bad we expect the worst of people and it could all be innocent.

What f*cking word are these idiots living in? No drugs and no predators. Gotcha.

[Anonymous]

^^ 8am last Thursday. 4-door silver sedan pulled up alongside kid. arlnow has info.

[Anonymous]

Umm... I'm gonna need to see more data on how many old dudes in silver cars are trying to ass rape minors. I just can't see the need for hysterics until I know some concrete numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say something for AEM: At least those people put their names behind what they say rather than us cowards in the DCUM ghetto.

I do both. However, I will only call you a bitch here.

I'm on both too - and have been called a bitch there - must have been you

But seriously, most of the people on AEM seem to have an agenda on this topic that shifts almost all responsibility to APS while at the same time not wanting APS to enforce the law. Let's just change what those letters stand for - Arlington Public Social workers.

Naw I think most of those people clamoring for the drug dogs are more of your run-of-the-mill law and order types. I wouldn't read that like you are that they're interested in abdicating parental responsibility to the school. At least that's my take.

I do find it interesting that evidently this was initiated by ACPD, not the school itself. At least that claim was made today.

Dude. Please try that again. This time with punctuation.

Fine.

1) A pp seemed to suggest a lot of people cheering the drug dogs are really just absentee parents who think APS should stand for "Arlington Public Social workers." I said I don't think that's the case -- that they seem to be more reactionary law and order types. I'm sure they're good parents.

2) Separately, it was posted today that this is happening at the request of the POLICE DEPARTMENT. The schools did not initiated it and apparently the School Board didn't even know.

No, that was not what I meant. I meant that many of the parents commenting on the AEM threads seem to want to minimize the extent of the problem and abdicate any personal or parental responsibility but then at the same time seem to think it's up to APS to solve it with a lot of policy that doesn't involve any repercussions. And no dogs either.

Ok, well, that's a really twisted logic process, so it's no wonder no one understood you. I didn't see anyone criticizing drug searches advocating abdicating parental responsibility. On the contrary,, one was saying very strongly to look at the parents.