MTV provides New Years resolutions for white people

[Anonymous]

MTV? That's still on? I havent seen it since the mid-80s, when Thriller was getting heavy play.

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jsteele wrote:Which one of those resolutions do you find offensive? They sound like common sense to me.

The premise itself is offensive and hypocritical. The underlying assumption here that it's accurate and acceptable to attribute behavior/ideology to a group based on race/gender.

It seems to me that you either (a) believe in judging people as individuals, based on their words/actions, or (b) you believe in judging people based on their group "identity".

As a matter of principle, most don't tolerate judging people based on identity--it's anathema to our ideals.

So why then is it acceptable when it comes to white men?

Sincere question--I've never understood how people could justify this apparent inconsistency as a matter of principle.

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Double standards are simply the way in which liberals operate. That, and identity politics.

I'm the poster you quoted, and I'm a liberal-leaning independent.

Neither party has a monopoly on hypocrisy and double standards.

[Anonymous]

Like the Samuel L. Jackson character in Django Unchained.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm white and my problem with it is not that I am offended by it. I think it's bad for where our country is right now and counterproductive to fixing a "divided nation" which people from all races/groups/beliefs are concerned about. Like someone else said, it might feel good, but it's not helping us. Kind of like jabbing an insult at your spouse in a disagreement may feel good in the moment, but it causes damage and is bad for the relationship overall.

Well, the solution for dealing with this divided country certainly doesn't begin with pretending the issues don't exist or not allowing anyone to talk about it. Yes, it's uncomfortable. But real life requires dealing with uncomfortable situations. Until people start acknowledging that yes, there are in fact discriminatory behaviors and hate crimes and other things happening because of race, gender, ethnicity and we all start dealing with it in an effective way, nothing will ever change. Evil happens because good people stand by and do nothing. When someone on the left condemns racist neo-nazis like Richard Spencer, there really isn't any valid, responsible or ethical reason why good people on the right can't or shouldn't also join in to condemn them other than partisan tribalism - and that partisan tribalism just reinforces the divide.

Your points are exactly correct and your conclusions dead wrong.

The way to address discriminatory behavior is to confront it as wrong b/c it is anathema to our ideals.

But the MTV approach is to confront discriminatory behavior by ... being discriminatory.

That approach results in the partisan backlash and absurd hypocrisy by both sides.

Hmmm... Interesting. So the freakout and hysteria is about a perception of something being discriminatory toward white men. How awful that is. And how unacceptable.

Gee, now maybe think about the same thing, except substitute blacks or latinos or gays, et cetera and take note of the fact that you weren't freaking out when the discrimination was targeting them.

See the problem?

No.

Your assumptions are incorrect.

The issue is not the target here (white men), but rather the principle of group-based stereotyping and judgment.

I do "freak out" (if by "freak out" you mean speak out against) about discrimination against any group.

Now that we've straightened that out, please explain the problem to me.

Well there you have it - when there's group-based discrimination against whites the outcry suddenly gets much louder. It was muzzled and muted and nowhere near as much of a gut response when it was group-based discrimination against minorities... It's not so much about group-based discrimination as it is about who the victim is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm white and my problem with it is not that I am offended by it. I think it's bad for where our country is right now and counterproductive to fixing a "divided nation" which people from all races/groups/beliefs are concerned about. Like someone else said, it might feel good, but it's not helping us. Kind of like jabbing an insult at your spouse in a disagreement may feel good in the moment, but it causes damage and is bad for the relationship overall.

Well, the solution for dealing with this divided country certainly doesn't begin with pretending the issues don't exist or not allowing anyone to talk about it. Yes, it's uncomfortable. But real life requires dealing with uncomfortable situations. Until people start acknowledging that yes, there are in fact discriminatory behaviors and hate crimes and other things happening because of race, gender, ethnicity and we all start dealing with it in an effective way, nothing will ever change. Evil happens because good people stand by and do nothing. When someone on the left condemns racist neo-nazis like Richard Spencer, there really isn't any valid, responsible or ethical reason why good people on the right can't or shouldn't also join in to condemn them other than partisan tribalism - and that partisan tribalism just reinforces the divide.

Your points are exactly correct and your conclusions dead wrong.

The way to address discriminatory behavior is to confront it as wrong b/c it is anathema to our ideals.

But the MTV approach is to confront discriminatory behavior by ... being discriminatory.

That approach results in the partisan backlash and absurd hypocrisy by both sides.

Hmmm... Interesting. So the freakout and hysteria is about a perception of something being discriminatory toward white men. How awful that is. And how unacceptable.

Gee, now maybe think about the same thing, except substitute blacks or latinos or gays, et cetera and take note of the fact that you weren't freaking out when the discrimination was targeting them.

See the problem?

No.

Your assumptions are incorrect.

The issue is not the target here (white men), but rather the principle of group-based stereotyping and judgment.

I do "freak out" (if by "freak out" you mean speak out against) about discrimination against any group.

Now that we've straightened that out, please explain the problem to me.

Well there you have it - when there's group-based discrimination against whites the outcry suddenly gets much louder. It was muzzled and muted and nowhere near as much of a gut response when it was group-based discrimination against minorities... It's not so much about group-based discrimination as it is about who the victim is.

Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

At least one hopes that it's deliberate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MTV? That's still on? I havent seen it since the mid-80s, when Thriller was getting heavy play.

[Anonymous]

This clearly show why you need diversity in your management and employees. If MTV had had any white males this racist and sexist tirade would never have made it on air. I bet it was some white Hillaribot woman who green lit this. I am sure the oppressed minorities see her as one of them LOL. Hopefully someone will get fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm white and my problem with it is not that I am offended by it. I think it's bad for where our country is right now and counterproductive to fixing a "divided nation" which people from all races/groups/beliefs are concerned about. Like someone else said, it might feel good, but it's not helping us. Kind of like jabbing an insult at your spouse in a disagreement may feel good in the moment, but it causes damage and is bad for the relationship overall.

Well, the solution for dealing with this divided country certainly doesn't begin with pretending the issues don't exist or not allowing anyone to talk about it. Yes, it's uncomfortable. But real life requires dealing with uncomfortable situations. Until people start acknowledging that yes, there are in fact discriminatory behaviors and hate crimes and other things happening because of race, gender, ethnicity and we all start dealing with it in an effective way, nothing will ever change. Evil happens because good people stand by and do nothing. When someone on the left condemns racist neo-nazis like Richard Spencer, there really isn't any valid, responsible or ethical reason why good people on the right can't or shouldn't also join in to condemn them other than partisan tribalism - and that partisan tribalism just reinforces the divide.

Your points are exactly correct and your conclusions dead wrong.

The way to address discriminatory behavior is to confront it as wrong b/c it is anathema to our ideals.

But the MTV approach is to confront discriminatory behavior by ... being discriminatory.

That approach results in the partisan backlash and absurd hypocrisy by both sides.

Hmmm... Interesting. So the freakout and hysteria is about a perception of something being discriminatory toward white men. How awful that is. And how unacceptable.

Gee, now maybe think about the same thing, except substitute blacks or latinos or gays, et cetera and take note of the fact that you weren't freaking out when the discrimination was targeting them.

See the problem?

NP. There is no problem. When one group is discriminated against, it's the representatives of that group that generally speak against it. Or "the freakout and hysteria" as you called it.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Which one of those resolutions do you find offensive? They sound like common sense to me.

The premise itself is offensive and hypocritical. The underlying assumption here that it's accurate and acceptable to attribute behavior/ideology to a group based on race/gender.

It seems to me that you either (a) believe in judging people as individuals, based on their words/actions, or (b) you believe in judging people based on their group "identity".

As a matter of principle, most don't tolerate judging people based on identity--it's anathema to our ideals.

So why then is it acceptable when it comes to white men?

Sincere question--I've never understood how people could justify this apparent inconsistency as a matter of principle.

First, the video is not a serious political tract but is light-hearted and humorous. It is really aimed at our dominant culture, but identifies white men because of the inordinate role they play in that culture. The video acknowledges that many white men already follow the proposed resolutions. That reflects the understanding that people are individuals, not groups.

Seriously, all of you are going to have heart attacks if you let things like this bother you. You would be much better off, regardless of your race or gender, by giving consideration to the message of the video rather than doing your best to be offended by it.

Translation: It's okay (and somehow not hypocritical) to treat white people as a monolith, but not other racial or ethnic groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This clearly show why you need diversity in your management and employees. If MTV had had any white males this racist and sexist tirade would never have made it on air. I bet it was some white Hillaribot woman who green lit this. I am sure the oppressed minorities see her as one of them LOL. Hopefully someone will get fired.

Because white men (even disabled, gay, or impoverished ones) are seen as empowered, it's considered cool to single them out for derision or condescension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The comments below the video are uniformly negative. People are declaring that this kind of stuff will GUARANTEE trump a second term. http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/21/mtvs-white-guy-resolutions-2017-might-just-earn-trump-second-term

Trump is starting with a 3 million and 2% vote deficit. His party has won 1/7 elections and even the lone popular vote win is by slim margins. Trump himself has won 4 states by avg of less than 1%.

If at all anything, Trump has to gain votes because he is gonna lose votes in those 4 states if manufacturing jobs don't come back in a hurry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This clearly show why you need diversity in your management and employees. If MTV had had any white males this racist and sexist tirade would never have made it on air. I bet it was some white Hillaribot woman who green lit this. I am sure the oppressed minorities see her as one of them LOL. Hopefully someone will get fired.

I don't like the stupid video, but your partisanship is getting in the way of facts.

Viacom's CEO is a white man, MTV upper management is largely white and male, and there was at least one white man in the video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Privileged people seriously need to wake up.

It's a shame that video was taken down.

Is privileged a code word for "white", like urban is a code word for "black"? Or is it specific to white men? Damn it's hard keeping up these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MTV? That's still on? I havent seen it since the mid-80s, when Thriller was getting heavy play.

Wow. Lost my virginity listening to that song on the radio, in the back of my Dad's Chrysler LeBaron with the crushed grey velvet seats. Good times, good times.

[Anonymous]

Found a funny video with regards to MTV's silly video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxYYgyu5XZ8