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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm white and my problem with it is not that I am offended by it. I think it's bad for where our country is right now and counterproductive to fixing a "divided nation" which people from all races/groups/beliefs are concerned about. Like someone else said, it might feel good, but it's not helping us. Kind of like jabbing an insult at your spouse in a disagreement may feel good in the moment, but it causes damage and is bad for the relationship overall. [/quote]

Well, the solution for dealing with this divided country certainly doesn't begin with pretending the issues don't exist or not allowing anyone to talk about it.  Yes, it's uncomfortable.  But real life requires dealing with uncomfortable situations.  Until people start acknowledging that yes, there are in fact discriminatory behaviors and hate crimes and other things happening because of race, gender, ethnicity and we all start dealing with it in an effective way, nothing will ever change.  Evil happens because good people stand by and do nothing.  When someone on the left condemns racist neo-nazis like Richard Spencer, there really isn't any valid, responsible or ethical reason why good people on the right can't or shouldn't also join in to condemn them other than partisan tribalism - and that partisan tribalism just reinforces the divide.[/quote]

Your points are exactly correct and your conclusions dead wrong.

The way to address discriminatory behavior is to confront it as wrong b/c it is anathema to our ideals.

But the MTV approach is to confront discriminatory behavior by ... being discriminatory.

That approach results in the partisan backlash and absurd hypocrisy by both sides.  
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Hmmm...  Interesting.  So the freakout and hysteria is about a perception of something being discriminatory toward white men.  How awful that is.  And how unacceptable.

Gee, now maybe think about the same thing, except substitute blacks or latinos or gays, et cetera and take note of the fact that you weren't freaking out when the discrimination was targeting them.

See the problem?[/quote]

No.

Your assumptions are incorrect.

The issue is not the target here (white men), but rather the principle of group-based stereotyping and judgment.

I do "freak out" (if by "freak out" you mean speak out against) about discrimination against any group.

Now that we've straightened that out, please explain the problem to me.

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Well there you have it - when there's group-based discrimination against whites the outcry suddenly gets much louder.  It was muzzled and muted and nowhere near as much of a gut response when it was group-based discrimination against minorities...  It's not so much about group-based discrimination as it is about who the victim is.[/quote]

Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

At least one hopes that it's deliberate.[/quote]

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