3 killed in crash on River Road

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2016 Volt makes me wonder if (i) the driver knew how to handle an electric vehicle, or (ii) there was an issue with the car. It's not like GM is known for its quality control. I don't doubt the BMW driver was speeding - but the speed limit there is 50 right? So 60 or 70 even isn't unusual. Until the investigation is complete there isn't anything anyone should assume other than tragic accident.

Speed limit is 45.

[Anonymous]

It's true electric vehicles have slow-pickup from a complete stop. This could have been a confluence of different factors, e.g. relatively slow turn combined with speed of oncoming driver. If the kid was driving recklessly, there should be witnesses along the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can search his name here if you want to see all the past traffic incidents.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/

One incident for speeding on 495 and one incident that was dismissed... Really that is it... Sorry but he was the victim.

You're looking at the wrong record:

In April 2015 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In Aug. 2013, negligent driving.

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2016 Volt makes me wonder if (i) the driver knew how to handle an electric vehicle, or (ii) there was an issue with the car. It's not like GM is known for its quality control. I don't doubt the BMW driver was speeding - but the speed limit there is 50 right? So 60 or 70 even isn't unusual. Until the investigation is complete there isn't anything anyone should assume other than tragic accident.

Are you kidding me? Speed limit is 45. You're defending 70? And blaming the Volt? I'm speechless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Highly likely the left turn was being made properly, anticipating normal speed of oncoming traffic. One driver going 70+ completely blows those calculations. I hope a camera somewhere caught the oncoming driver's speed somewhere along the road.

+1 Given his history of dangerous driving, this possibility should be considered.

+2. This explanation sounds likely to me.

[jsteele]

Folks, let's leave the investigation to the investigators. Because posters have chosen to include the BMW driver's name here, this thread will come up in future Google searches for his name (unless I remove the thread which I hope to avoid doing). It is unfair to him to create a damaging electronic record when he has not been determined to have done anything wrong in this case.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can search his name here if you want to see all the past traffic incidents.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/

One incident for speeding on 495 and one incident that was dismissed... Really that is it... Sorry but he was the victim.

You're looking at the wrong record:

In April 2015 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In Aug. 2013, negligent driving.

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

Just to clarify, the first in your list should actually say "April 2013". The Sept. 2015 tickets were dismissed. The Aug. 2013 is the same as the April 2013 violation. He appeared in both traffic and criminal courts. So, a more accurate list would be:

In April 2013 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent. All dismissed in court.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can search his name here if you want to see all the past traffic incidents.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/

One incident for speeding on 495 and one incident that was dismissed... Really that is it... Sorry but he was the victim.

You're looking at the wrong record:

In April 2015 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In Aug. 2013, negligent driving.

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

Just to clarify, the first in your list should actually say "April 2013". The Sept. 2015 tickets were dismissed. The Aug. 2013 is the same as the April 2013 violation. He appeared in both traffic and criminal courts. So, a more accurate list would be:

In April 2013 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent. All dismissed in court.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

How old is this person?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Highly likely the left turn was being made properly, anticipating normal speed of oncoming traffic. One driver going 70+ completely blows those calculations. I hope a camera somewhere caught the oncoming driver's speed somewhere along the road.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think newer cars like the BMW involved in this will have data in the on=board computer that will determine how fast it was going before the crash, when/if the brakes were applied and speed at impact. Hopefully investigators will be able to determine if excessive speed was a factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can search his name here if you want to see all the past traffic incidents.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/

One incident for speeding on 495 and one incident that was dismissed... Really that is it... Sorry but he was the victim.

You're looking at the wrong record:

In April 2015 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In Aug. 2013, negligent driving.

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

Just to clarify, the first in your list should actually say "April 2013". The Sept. 2015 tickets were dismissed. The Aug. 2013 is the same as the April 2013 violation. He appeared in both traffic and criminal courts. So, a more accurate list would be:

In April 2013 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent. All dismissed in court.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

How old is this person?

Reports indicate that he is 20

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can search his name here if you want to see all the past traffic incidents.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/

One incident for speeding on 495 and one incident that was dismissed... Really that is it... Sorry but he was the victim.

You're looking at the wrong record:

In April 2015 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In Aug. 2013, negligent driving.

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

Just to clarify, the first in your list should actually say "April 2013". The Sept. 2015 tickets were dismissed. The Aug. 2013 is the same as the April 2013 violation. He appeared in both traffic and criminal courts. So, a more accurate list would be:

In April 2013 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent. All dismissed in court.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

How old is this person?

Reports indicate that he is 20

He is 20, driving for 4 years... 1 speeding ticket, 1 spinning wheels.

[Anonymous]

As the daughter of a retired cop who is now a drivers ed teacher I would encourage you all to stress to yourself and your teens that if the speed limit is 45 -- double it and that is how fast you should assume every oncoming car is traveling. Because at the end of the day, if you turn out in front of them you will die and they may get a ticket. Is that what you want?!?!

[Anonymous]

What do you guys make of the eye witness account listed under Washington Post Comments about this incidence. It's not really eye witness but more hearsay because it is repeated from the person behind the car stopped at intersection. It was one of the first comments made and it goes into great detail over the supposed order of events. Do you think it's real? It puts all blame on the victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can search his name here if you want to see all the past traffic incidents.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/

One incident for speeding on 495 and one incident that was dismissed... Really that is it... Sorry but he was the victim.

You're looking at the wrong record:

In April 2015 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In Aug. 2013, negligent driving.

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

Just to clarify, the first in your list should actually say "April 2013". The Sept. 2015 tickets were dismissed. The Aug. 2013 is the same as the April 2013 violation. He appeared in both traffic and criminal courts. So, a more accurate list would be:

In April 2013 at 6:45 pm, going 85 in a 55 mph zone.
Also charged with changing lanes when unsafe and reckless driving (wanton and willful disregard for safety of persons and property

In Sept. 2015, negligent driving, failure to drive vehicle on right half of roadway when required, failure to obey properly placed traffic control device, and following vehicle closer than reasonable and prudent. All dismissed in court.

In Oct. 2013, driver spinning wheels,

In June 2014, possession of marijuana.

How old is this person?

Reports indicate that he is 20

He is 20, driving for 4 years... 1 speeding ticket, 1 spinning wheels.

I guess you think negligent driving is not a big deal. I've been driving for nearly 30 years and have never plead guilty to negligent driving. He likely needed the lawyer to get the charges knocked down to keep his license.
Can't believe an insurance company would cover him and if they did I can't imagine it would be cheap.

You also forgot the speeding ticket in Arlington.

[Anonymous]

The BMW M235 is advertised as being able to go from 0-60 in 4.4 seconds.