VYS Soccer - better or worse?

[Anonymous]

Bahaha. Heres some "free advice" I recommend that these board members maintain their day jobs bc they certainly cant run a soccer club. In their defense they are volunteers. I am sure they felt that they were doing " the right thing" as THEY saw it. Sadly, they may have wanted to reach out to the VYS membership and possibly others better suited to make sound business decisions. I dont believe any of the board members making these decisions are qualified in business, much less the soccer business. They had a great TD that was well known and like in the community. He brought some very talented trainers to our club that we miss. He had the connections, resources and motivation to keep building our club. That group squeezed him out for reasons I dont understand. Our loss... arlingtons huge gain!

[Anonymous]

Heck, I am still trying to figure out the "mess" that these guys are trying to clean up...
programs were better, fees were less, kids were happy and a visible TD.
help me here.

[Anonymous]

Two things.

1) it Ridiculous. Ridiculous. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. Just let your phone spell it for you.

2) Vienna was a joke when Eddy was at VYS. A joke in the coaching community and an utter wasteland of player development. It was the land of kick and run, wasted potential, and a fertile recruiting ground for BRYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two things.

1) it Ridiculous. Ridiculous. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. Just let your phone spell it for you.

2) Vienna was a joke when Eddy was at VYS. A joke in the coaching community and an utter wasteland of player development. It was the land of kick and run, wasted potential, and a fertile recruiting ground for BRYC.

But it had:

1. A couple of pretty good teams.

2. A good focus on serving the community as a whole.

The new guy doesn't get that. His experience is in a small pro academy in England. He might be good at that -- maybe if he ran a small club like Cugini or CSC, he'd be fine. But he's not good at understanding what the community wants. Case in point: killing Friday night free play, which was HIS decision, despite board objections.

Eddie wasn't perfect, and he may bear responsibility for his departure -- he simply demanded too much. But he's no joke. If he was, Arlington wouldn't have been so eager to bring him in.

His training programs were absolutely not kick and run. If you saw that from VYS teams, I'd be more inclined to blame parents and players. I've coached a ton of VYS kids, and they don't watch soccer. Their parents don't watch soccer, and they yell ignorant stuff from the sidelines. And they sometimes move elsewhere because they're caught up in status and think some other place will be better. I love Vienna and wouldn't live anywhere else, but it's your typical suburban area with a lot of good athletes but no soccer culture. Little wonder Madison is so good at baseball.

NOW, it actually IS better at other clubs for a lot of travel players. They totally botched the rising U9 tryouts under the new staff, and a lot of good players have scattered to other clubs where they're thriving.

I understand why Eddie is gone. I don't blame the board for his departure. But we're definitely not better off without him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: And that 300 votes, I strongly question. As would I with the whole "unanimous" votes we have all heard of that WERENT!

CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!! don't suppose you have any evidence? nah. i am sad the X Files is over too, but don't you think maybe you are projecting a bit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And that 300 votes, I strongly question. As would I with the whole "unanimous" votes we have all heard of that WERENT!

CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!! don't suppose you have any evidence? nah. i am sad the X Files is over too, but don't you think maybe you are projecting a bit?

And I still have no idea what the supposed agenda was/is. Some people have told me the older board members were nice folks who had just lost touch a little with the changing NoVa landscape, and that's all I've heard.

Thousands of posts here, and I still haven't heard any other motive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good point from the above individual! As a matter of fact, from what I understand, Eddies salary was a little more than half of our current TD. Yes, he did have a few of the trainers under his company, (which I might add, was a VYS decsion, "for tax purposes" as a matter of fact some under his umbrella were placed there at the request of the BOD president of the week at that time.

BOD president of the week? VYS had the same president from at least 2010 to 2014, right?

I'm more than a little skeptical of that salary info.

Highest paid TD in Virginia or Maryland outside of Loudoun/Bethesda, with tons of perks. Well over six figures. Large performance bonus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good point from the above individual! As a matter of fact, from what I understand, Eddies salary was a little more than half of our current TD. Yes, he did have a few of the trainers under his company, (which I might add, was a VYS decsion, "for tax purposes" as a matter of fact some under his umbrella were placed there at the request of the BOD president of the week at that time.

BOD president of the week? VYS had the same president from at least 2010 to 2014, right?

I'm more than a little skeptical of that salary info.

Highest paid TD in Virginia or Maryland outside of Loudoun/Bethesda, with tons of perks. Well over six figures. Large performance bonus.

I have also heard that new PM makes nearly as much as most TDs, which is why left Spirit. VYS now paying more than professional clubs for staff.

[Anonymous]

From a VYS House parent's perspective, the animosity and anger on this thread are frightening. It seems like posters are even being hostile toward the posters who AGREE with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things.

1) it Ridiculous. Ridiculous. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. Just let your phone spell it for you.

2) Vienna was a joke when Eddy was at VYS. A joke in the coaching community and an utter wasteland of player development. It was the land of kick and run, wasted potential, and a fertile recruiting ground for BRYC.

But it had:

1. A couple of pretty good teams.

2. A good focus on serving the community as a whole.

The new guy doesn't get that. His experience is in a small pro academy in England. He might be good at that -- maybe if he ran a small club like Cugini or CSC, he'd be fine. But he's not good at understanding what the community wants. Case in point: killing Friday night free play, which was HIS decision, despite board objections.

Eddie wasn't perfect, and he may bear responsibility for his departure -- he simply demanded too much. But he's no joke. If he was, Arlington wouldn't have been so eager to bring him in.

His training programs were absolutely not kick and run. If you saw that from VYS teams, I'd be more inclined to blame parents and players. I've coached a ton of VYS kids, and they don't watch soccer. Their parents don't watch soccer, and they yell ignorant stuff from the sidelines. And they sometimes move elsewhere because they're caught up in status and think some other place will be better. I love Vienna and wouldn't live anywhere else, but it's your typical suburban area with a lot of good athletes but no soccer culture. Little wonder Madison is so good at baseball.

NOW, it actually IS better at other clubs for a lot of travel players. They totally botched the rising U9 tryouts under the new staff, and a lot of good players have scattered to other clubs where they're thriving.

I understand why Eddie is gone. I don't blame the board for his departure. But we're definitely not better off without him.

Nice to hear from an objective sounding source, with what I'm guessing is a good analysis of the situation. It seems from what I've read that the decision to hire the new TD at an eyebrow-raising salary and cede control of the program to him was made with the goal of turning Vienna into a premier travel soccer club. Is that correct? If so, that's a huge and possibly infeasible undertaking given the market saturation factors involved in NoVa. It seems like it would be preferable to continue/improve on the strong community house base, and try to partner with another local club (BRYC maybe?) for the travel offering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From a VYS House parent's perspective, the animosity and anger on this thread are frightening. It seems like posters are even being hostile toward the posters who AGREE with them.

Heh. Welcome to DCUM!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From a VYS House parent's perspective, the animosity and anger on this thread are frightening. It seems like posters are even being hostile toward the posters who AGREE with them.

Heh. Welcome to DCUM!

Unfortunately, thats what happens when you put your trust in a program for your kids and a great deal of $$ to provide the best experience possible...then you find that a small group is ruining a good thing and the clubs throwing money out the window. And the transparency they speak of is a joke

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things.

1) it Ridiculous. Ridiculous. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. Just let your phone spell it for you.

2) Vienna was a joke when Eddy was at VYS. A joke in the coaching community and an utter wasteland of player development. It was the land of kick and run, wasted potential, and a fertile recruiting ground for BRYC.

If ya need to shoot that BS out to feel better, you do that. I think we all know our club was in a much better place with Eddie (its Eddie w/ an ie BTW)

But it had:

1. A couple of pretty good teams.

2. A good focus on serving the community as a whole.

The new guy doesn't get that. His experience is in a small pro academy in England. He might be good at that -- maybe if he ran a small club like Cugini or CSC, he'd be fine. But he's not good at understanding what the community wants. Case in point: killing Friday night free play, which was HIS decision, despite board objections.

Eddie wasn't perfect, and he may bear responsibility for his departure -- he simply demanded too much. But he's no joke. If he was, Arlington wouldn't have been so eager to bring him in.

His training programs were absolutely not kick and run. If you saw that from VYS teams, I'd be more inclined to blame parents and players. I've coached a ton of VYS kids, and they don't watch soccer. Their parents don't watch soccer, and they yell ignorant stuff from the sidelines. And they sometimes move elsewhere because they're caught up in status and think some other place will be better. I love Vienna and wouldn't live anywhere else, but it's your typical suburban area with a lot of good athletes but no soccer culture. Little wonder Madison is so good at baseball.

NOW, it actually IS better at other clubs for a lot of travel players. They totally botched the rising U9 tryouts under the new staff, and a lot of good players have scattered to other clubs where they're thriving.

I understand why Eddie is gone. I don't blame the board for his departure. But we're definitely not better off without him.

Nice to hear from an objective sounding source, with what I'm guessing is a good analysis of the situation. It seems from what I've read that the decision to hire the new TD at an eyebrow-raising salary and cede control of the program to him was made with the goal of turning Vienna into a premier travel soccer club. Is that correct? If so, that's a huge and possibly infeasible undertaking given the market saturation factors involved in NoVa. It seems like it would be preferable to continue/improve on the strong community house base, and try to partner with another local club (BRYC maybe?) for the travel offering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things.

1) it Ridiculous. Ridiculous. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. Just let your phone spell it for you.

2) Vienna was a joke when Eddy was at VYS. A joke in the coaching community and an utter wasteland of player development. It was the land of kick and run, wasted potential, and a fertile recruiting ground for BRYC.

If ya need to shoot that BS out to feel better, you do that. I think we all know our club was in a much better place with Eddie (its Eddie w/ an ie BTW)

But it had:

1. A couple of pretty good teams.

2. A good focus on serving the community as a whole.

The new guy doesn't get that. His experience is in a small pro academy in England. He might be good at that -- maybe if he ran a small club like Cugini or CSC, he'd be fine. But he's not good at understanding what the community wants. Case in point: killing Friday night free play, which was HIS decision, despite board objections.

Eddie wasn't perfect, and he may bear responsibility for his departure -- he simply demanded too much. But he's no joke. If he was, Arlington wouldn't have been so eager to bring him in.

His training programs were absolutely not kick and run. If you saw that from VYS teams, I'd be more inclined to blame parents and players. I've coached a ton of VYS kids, and they don't watch soccer. Their parents don't watch soccer, and they yell ignorant stuff from the sidelines. And they sometimes move elsewhere because they're caught up in status and think some other place will be better. I love Vienna and wouldn't live anywhere else, but it's your typical suburban area with a lot of good athletes but no soccer culture. Little wonder Madison is so good at baseball.

NOW, it actually IS better at other clubs for a lot of travel players. They totally botched the rising U9 tryouts under the new staff, and a lot of good players have scattered to other clubs where they're thriving.

I understand why Eddie is gone. I don't blame the board for his departure. But we're definitely not better off without him.

Nice to hear from an objective sounding source, with what I'm guessing is a good analysis of the situation. It seems from what I've read that the decision to hire the new TD at an eyebrow-raising salary and cede control of the program to him was made with the goal of turning Vienna into a premier travel soccer club. Is that correct? If so, that's a huge and possibly infeasible undertaking given the market saturation factors involved in NoVa. It seems like it would be preferable to continue/improve on the strong community house base, and try to partner with another local club (BRYC maybe?) for the travel offering.

That seems like a much more rational prospective. Eddie was great! The kids loved him and he always provided top of the line training! Miss him!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things.

1) it Ridiculous. Ridiculous. R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S. Just let your phone spell it for you.

2) Vienna was a joke when Eddy was at VYS. A joke in the coaching community and an utter wasteland of player development. It was the land of kick and run, wasted potential, and a fertile recruiting ground for BRYC.

But it had:

1. A couple of pretty good teams.

2. A good focus on serving the community as a whole.

The new guy doesn't get that. His experience is in a small pro academy in England. He might be good at that -- maybe if he ran a small club like Cugini or CSC, he'd be fine. But he's not good at understanding what the community wants. Case in point: killing Friday night free play, which was HIS decision, despite board objections.

Eddie wasn't perfect, and he may bear responsibility for his departure -- he simply demanded too much. But he's no joke. If he was, Arlington wouldn't have been so eager to bring him in.

His training programs were absolutely not kick and run. If you saw that from VYS teams, I'd be more inclined to blame parents and players. I've coached a ton of VYS kids, and they don't watch soccer. Their parents don't watch soccer, and they yell ignorant stuff from the sidelines. And they sometimes move elsewhere because they're caught up in status and think some other place will be better. I love Vienna and wouldn't live anywhere else, but it's your typical suburban area with a lot of good athletes but no soccer culture. Little wonder Madison is so good at baseball.

NOW, it actually IS better at other clubs for a lot of travel players. They totally botched the rising U9 tryouts under the new staff, and a lot of good players have scattered to other clubs where they're thriving.

I understand why Eddie is gone. I don't blame the board for his departure. But we're definitely not better off without him.

I beg to differ on the reason for Eddie's departure. I was on the BOD at the time Eddie came on board. His salary was approx 60% of the current TD's. I would ask the board to verify this info. If they won't, there is your answer. I can tell you this with complete certainty. He was not asking for anything unrealistic. That is completely false!