Why does every thread about Hill schools get so grumpy?

[Anonymous]

Exactly. And DCPS does not have the vision to make it happen. I wish Allen and Grosso and all our ANC reps would spend more time lobbying for this outcome ( one bigger middle school, combined resources, multiple academic paths, community efforts focused in one direction )rather than groveling for stupid construction money among three schools.
It's madness and will never, ever work.

[Anonymous]

^^^I am not sock puppeting,just continuing.

Seriously. Somebody name ONE downside of a centralized middle school for ward 6 feeders. If you look at the boundary maps, it would cover a SMALLER area than Alice Deal currently covers now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening.

All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

Which Hill schools are included in "etc."?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening.

All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening. All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

Which Hill schools are included in "etc."?

Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness
Capitol Hill Montessori
Amidon
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening. All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

Which Hill schools are included in "etc."?

Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness
Capitol Hill Montessori
Amidon
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner

I'm 13:13 and don't necessarily agree with this list. For example, Cap Hill Mont. has it's own middle school. Amidon is not on the Hill. Neither is Van Ness. But regardless, there are a bunch of schools that could feed into one Middle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening. All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

Which Hill schools are included in "etc."?

Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness
Capitol Hill Montessori
Amidon
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner

I'm 13:13 and don't necessarily agree with this list. For example, Cap Hill Mont. has it's own middle school. Amidon is not on the Hill. Neither is Van Ness. But regardless, there are a bunch of schools that could feed into one Middle.

You can't take Brent and Tyler out of Jefferson's feeder pattern while keeping Jefferson open. What is the long term justification for keeping Jefferson open with just two feeding ESs despite Brent and Tyler sending few students to Jefferson?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening. All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

Which Hill schools are included in "etc."?

Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness
Capitol Hill Montessori
Amidon
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner

I'm 13:13 and don't necessarily agree with this list. For example, Cap Hill Mont. has it's own middle school. Amidon is not on the Hill. Neither is Van Ness. But regardless, there are a bunch of schools that could feed into one Middle.

You can't take Brent and Tyler out of Jefferson's feeder pattern while keeping Jefferson open. What is the long term justification for keeping Jefferson open with just two feeding ESs despite Brent and Tyler sending few students to Jefferson?

Perhaps the justification is that over the long-term, Jefferson will for all intents and purposes have just two feeding ESs, as the other two ESs will not be sending students there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening. All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

Which Hill schools are included in "etc."?

Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness
Capitol Hill Montessori
Amidon
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner

I'm 13:13 and don't necessarily agree with this list. For example, Cap Hill Mont. has it's own middle school. Amidon is not on the Hill. Neither is Van Ness. But regardless, there are a bunch of schools that could feed into one Middle.

You can't take Brent and Tyler out of Jefferson's feeder pattern while keeping Jefferson open. What is the long term justification for keeping Jefferson open with just two feeding ESs despite Brent and Tyler sending few students to Jefferson?

Perhaps the justification is that over the long-term, Jefferson will for all intents and purposes have just two feeding ESs, as the other two ESs will not be sending students there.

Jefferson would have two schools feeding it while EH/Hobson have 11+ between them? It doesn't seem like good planning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^I am not sock puppeting,just continuing.

Seriously. Somebody name ONE downside of a centralized middle school for ward 6 feeders. If you look at the boundary maps, it would cover a SMALLER area than Alice Deal currently covers now.

Because right now SH is majority proficient (and >10% above proficient) in both reading and math, while Jefferson is majority-proficient in math, but not reading, and E-H is majority basic or below (and <5% above proficient) in both categories. Also SH is nearly 10% white, while Jefferson and EH are both 0% white.

There's a critical mass of SH kids who are either above proficient or white or both. Most of those kids' parents do not want to combine the schools and see their kids dumped into a much larger setting (from 423 to 957), where they would no longer be a critical mass.

From their point of view, SH is working. They fear that if you combined the schools, instead of SH helping improve EH and Jefferson, EH & Jefferson would destroy what's working in SH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening. All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

Which Hill schools are included in "etc."?

Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness
Capitol Hill Montessori
Amidon
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner

I'm 13:13 and don't necessarily agree with this list. For example, Cap Hill Mont. has it's own middle school. Amidon is not on the Hill. Neither is Van Ness. But regardless, there are a bunch of schools that could feed into one Middle.

that's the 2nd reference to CHM feeding another school when it's ALREADY EXPANDED TO 8th. Agreed that Amidon Bowen ( like Jefferson) is not on the Hill and neither is JO Wilson or Van Ness

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^I am not sock puppeting,just continuing.

Seriously. Somebody name ONE downside of a centralized middle school for ward 6 feeders. If you look at the boundary maps, it would cover a SMALLER area than Alice Deal currently covers now.

Because right now SH is majority proficient (and >10% above proficient) in both reading and math, while Jefferson is majority-proficient in math, but not reading, and E-H is majority basic or below (and <5% above proficient) in both categories. Also SH is nearly 10% white, while Jefferson and EH are both 0% white.

There's a critical mass of SH kids who are either above proficient or white or both. Most of those kids' parents do not want to combine the schools and see their kids dumped into a much larger setting (from 423 to 957), where they would no longer be a critical mass.

From their point of view, SH is working. They fear that if you combined the schools, instead of SH helping improve EH and Jefferson, EH & Jefferson would destroy what's working in SH.

But this wouldn't be a problem if there was some kind of test-in honors track at this new ward 6 school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^I am not sock puppeting,just continuing.

Seriously. Somebody name ONE downside of a centralized middle school for ward 6 feeders. If you look at the boundary maps, it would cover a SMALLER area than Alice Deal currently covers now.

Because right now SH is majority proficient (and >10% above proficient) in both reading and math, while Jefferson is majority-proficient in math, but not reading, and E-H is majority basic or below (and <5% above proficient) in both categories. Also SH is nearly 10% white, while Jefferson and EH are both 0% white.

There's a critical mass of SH kids who are either above proficient or white or both. Most of those kids' parents do not want to combine the schools and see their kids dumped into a much larger setting (from 423 to 957), where they would no longer be a critical mass.

From their point of view, SH is working. They fear that if you combined the schools, instead of SH helping improve EH and Jefferson, EH & Jefferson would destroy what's working in SH.

Are you one of these parents who thinks SH is working? Or are you just guessing? If its true, those parents who, at the same time, complain about budgeting and space constraints at SH and tell the rest of the Hill that they need "to consider the community as a whole " in their choices need to simply shove it.

[Anonymous]

What space is big enough for this proposed giant middle school? Eliot-Hine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What space is big enough for this proposed giant middle school? Eliot-Hine?

Yep -- and they have full sized ball fields.