Why does every thread about Hill schools get so grumpy?

[Anonymous]

yes--and they have access to Eastern facilities and high school level classes for advanced students and for continuity of an IB Middle Years program.

But this is over. Now that SH got their multi-million dollar theater/museum complex; it's never happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^I am not sock puppeting,just continuing.

Seriously. Somebody name ONE downside of a centralized middle school for ward 6 feeders. If you look at the boundary maps, it would cover a SMALLER area than Alice Deal currently covers now.

Because right now SH is majority proficient (and >10% above proficient) in both reading and math, while Jefferson is majority-proficient in math, but not reading, and E-H is majority basic or below (and <5% above proficient) in both categories. Also SH is nearly 10% white, while Jefferson and EH are both 0% white.

There's a critical mass of SH kids who are either above proficient or white or both. Most of those kids' parents do not want to combine the schools and see their kids dumped into a much larger setting (from 423 to 957), where they would no longer be a critical mass.

From their point of view, SH is working. They fear that if you combined the schools, instead of SH helping improve EH and Jefferson, EH & Jefferson would destroy what's working in SH.

Right now, Jefferson has a higher percentage proficient and above, and a higher percentage advanced, in math. Agreed that kids at Stuart-Hobson score higher on reading, and there are more white kids there (if we're going to pick which school to back based on race, though, Jefferson does have more Asians). Jefferson also has higher median growth percentile scores. That means that if you look at all the kids in the District who scored at a certain percentile on the CAS in 5th grade, the ones who went to Jefferson improved more than the ones that went to Stuart-Hobson. I know that there are parents who are unwilling to consider Jefferson or worry that being in school with Jefferson kids would hurt theirs, but I don't agree with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yes--and they have access to Eastern facilities and high school level classes for advanced students and for continuity of an IB Middle Years program.

But this is over. Now that SH got their multi-million dollar theater/museum complex; it's never happening.

They could send all the 5th and 6th graders from SH and EH feeder elementaries to SH, and all the 7th and 8th graders to EH. Then either do 9-12 at Eastern, or put a 9th grade academy at EH and have grades 10-12 plus and kids who got left back in 9th grade at Eastern. That would allow more early childhood space at the SH/EH feeders. It would do nothing to help Jefferson but not much to hurt it. If there is less room for OOB at SH, EH, and their feeders as a result of this, families might move over to Jefferson and its feeder schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yes--and they have access to Eastern facilities and high school level classes for advanced students and for continuity of an IB Middle Years program.

But this is over. Now that SH got their multi-million dollar theater/museum complex; it's never happening.

In less than 10 years, EH will be the place to go for the reasons PP states above. Maury is already a good school, and as Miner and Payne boundaries continue to gentrify, things will turn around fast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes--and they have access to Eastern facilities and high school level classes for advanced students and for continuity of an IB Middle Years program.

But this is over. Now that SH got their multi-million dollar theater/museum complex; it's never happening.

They could send all the 5th and 6th graders from SH and EH feeder elementaries to SH, and all the 7th and 8th graders to EH. Then either do 9-12 at Eastern, or put a 9th grade academy at EH and have grades 10-12 plus and kids who got left back in 9th grade at Eastern. That would allow more early childhood space at the SH/EH feeders. It would do nothing to help Jefferson but not much to hurt it. If there is less room for OOB at SH, EH, and their feeders as a result of this, families might move over to Jefferson and its feeder schools

I like this plan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening. All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

Which Hill schools are included in "etc."?

Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness
Capitol Hill Montessori
Amidon
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner

I'm 13:13 and don't necessarily agree with this list. For example, Cap Hill Mont. has it's own middle school. Amidon is not on the Hill. Neither is Van Ness. But regardless, there are a bunch of schools that could feed into one Middle.

that's the 2nd reference to CHM feeding another school when it's ALREADY EXPANDED TO 8th. Agreed that Amidon Bowen ( like Jefferson) is not on the Hill and neither is JO Wilson or Van Ness

Right, that's what I meant by "has it's own middle school."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes--and they have access to Eastern facilities and high school level classes for advanced students and for continuity of an IB Middle Years program.

But this is over. Now that SH got their multi-million dollar theater/museum complex; it's never happening.

They could send all the 5th and 6th graders from SH and EH feeder elementaries to SH, and all the 7th and 8th graders to EH. Then either do 9-12 at Eastern, or put a 9th grade academy at EH and have grades 10-12 plus and kids who got left back in 9th grade at Eastern. That would allow more early childhood space at the SH/EH feeders. It would do nothing to help Jefferson but not much to hurt it. If there is less room for OOB at SH, EH, and their feeders as a result of this, families might move over to Jefferson and its feeder schools

I like this plan.

+1 and it would help with the 5th grade exodus to Latin and BASIS from the elementaries, by offering SH as a good alternative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes--and they have access to Eastern facilities and high school level classes for advanced students and for continuity of an IB Middle Years program.

But this is over. Now that SH got their multi-million dollar theater/museum complex; it's never happening.

In less than 10 years, EH will be the place to go for the reasons PP states above. Maury is already a good school, and as Miner and Payne boundaries continue to gentrify, things will turn around fast.

Unicorn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people on the Hill are grumpy because we have a critical mass of middle class/upper class families living here and could have great schools. But the way the system is structured prevents that from happening. All Hill elementary schools (Watkins, Brent, Maury, LT, etc) should feed into one middle school. It's idiotic that this hasn't been done.

Which Hill schools are included in "etc."?

Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness
Capitol Hill Montessori
Amidon
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner

I'm 13:13 and don't necessarily agree with this list. For example, Cap Hill Mont. has it's own middle school. Amidon is not on the Hill. Neither is Van Ness. But regardless, there are a bunch of schools that could feed into one Middle.

that's the 2nd reference to CHM feeding another school when it's ALREADY EXPANDED TO 8th. Agreed that Amidon Bowen ( like Jefferson) is not on the Hill and neither is JO Wilson or Van Ness

Right, that's what I meant by "has it's own middle school."

wasn't questioning what you said -- simply agreeing. but others continue to repeat CHM as a feeder to MS when it's already been taken off the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^I am not sock puppeting,just continuing.

Seriously. Somebody name ONE downside of a centralized middle school for ward 6 feeders. If you look at the boundary maps, it would cover a SMALLER area than Alice Deal currently covers now.

Because right now SH is majority proficient (and >10% above proficient) in both reading and math, while Jefferson is majority-proficient in math, but not reading, and E-H is majority basic or below (and <5% above proficient) in both categories. Also SH is nearly 10% white, while Jefferson and EH are both 0% white.

There's a critical mass of SH kids who are either above proficient or white or both. Most of those kids' parents do not want to combine the schools and see their kids dumped into a much larger setting (from 423 to 957), where they would no longer be a critical mass.

From their point of view, SH is working. They fear that if you combined the schools, instead of SH helping improve EH and Jefferson, EH & Jefferson would destroy what's working in SH.

But this wouldn't be a problem if there was some kind of test-in honors track at this new ward 6 school.

I don't think you could build any support for any kind of honors track within DCPS (aside from what already exists at Wilson). A test-in middle-school has much better prospects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is the whole site.

This!

[Anonymous]

SH claims to have an honors program -- or is it just more window dressing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes--and they have access to Eastern facilities and high school level classes for advanced students and for continuity of an IB Middle Years program.

But this is over. Now that SH got their multi-million dollar theater/museum complex; it's never happening.

In less than 10 years, EH will be the place to go for the reasons PP states above. Maury is already a good school, and as Miner and Payne boundaries continue to gentrify, things will turn around fast.

Unicorn.

I just saw a heard of unicorns near Payne last night, so I don't know what you're trying to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes--and they have access to Eastern facilities and high school level classes for advanced students and for continuity of an IB Middle Years program.

But this is over. Now that SH got their multi-million dollar theater/museum complex; it's never happening.

In less than 10 years, EH will be the place to go for the reasons PP states above. Maury is already a good school, and as Miner and Payne boundaries continue to gentrify, things will turn around fast.

Unicorn.

I just saw a heard of unicorns near Payne last night, so I don't know what you're trying to say.

"heard" rather than "herd" ? - are you a DCPS Ward 6 middle school product?

[Anonymous]

10 years is the bare minimum of time this will take. In the interim "F--- you ward 6 4th graders!" Signed, Muriel Bowser