Indiana's Religious Freedom law

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How is this different than providing service to blacks, jews, muslims or anyone else you don't like??? I think this law is extremely bigoted.

I think marriage needs an overhaul. It shouldn't be a federal thing, just a religious institution.


Because it's not about not liking someone! That's what is being pushed but it's not correct. It's about the religious belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. That doesn't mean the religious individual doesn't like gay people.


Again, people have argued that their religion prohibits interracial marriages. Should bakers therefore be permitted to refuse to bake a wedding cake for an interracial couple?

It all depends if the party with holding services or goods actually is in good standing with the religion/church as defined by the government. If someone with holds services based on religious objections, they must show they are a member of the religion and follow all the tenets of that religion. This will of course be determined by the government. So conservatives are in favor of the government determining who belongs and who does not belong to a religion.

This is the weirdest twist of logic I've ever seen

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Anonymous wrote:How is this different than providing service to blacks, jews, muslims or anyone else you don't like??? I think this law is extremely bigoted.

I think marriage needs an overhaul. It shouldn't be a federal thing, just a religious institution.

Because it's not about not liking someone! That's what is being pushed but it's not correct. It's about the religious belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. That doesn't mean the religious individual doesn't like gay people.

Again, people have argued that their religion prohibits interracial marriages. Should bakers therefore be permitted to refuse to bake a wedding cake for an interracial couple?

I believe the Constitution was amended to prohibit that. Feel free to introduce an amendment that covered what you'd like it to.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes denying a gay couple a cake a legitimate religious issue?

Where exactly in the Bible does it say thou shalt turn away people whom you do not agree with?

More specifically, where did Jesus teach anything even remotely like this?

I can't seem to find it anywhere. Certainly not in the Gospels which are the first hand testimony of Christ's teachings. Anyone? Anyone? Citation, please?

If you can't come up with one then it's not really a bonafide religious issue. So please stop trying to wrap your homophobic bigotry up in religion thinking it can act as a shield. If even Jesus isn't backing you up on this then you are full of crap.

The bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman. A baker, who bakes a wedding cake for a gay couple means that baker is participating in the wedding. This is VERY different than a gay couple simply coming in to buy cookies, or any other baked goods already on the shelf - including a cake. Forcing someone to participate in something that is against their religious beliefs is what this law is about. It does not give shop owners permission to shout 'you're gay, get out".

Should a Halal shop owner be forced to participate in a Jewish wedding? I don't think so.

"Participating in the wedding?" Oh, please. By that calculus, the chinese factory that made the lace for the veil is also "participating in the wedding"

But you still didn't answer the question. Where exactly in the Bible does it say the baker cannot do business with them? And, since we are talking about Christians here, where, specifically, in the Gospels does it say that?

If the veil is special-ordered or custom made, you are talking about shop owner participation. Off the shelf? Nope

Huh. My Bible doesn't seem to have that clause. Did yours come with some kind of special Appendix of random new rules for what does and doesn't constitute "participation?"

Your bible has the 'marriage is between a man and a woman' line, and talks extensively of marriage.

You're aware that in your attempt to protect the rights of your chosen group, you are trampling on the rights of another group, right? Is that OK? Why is your chosen group more important and/or more worthy that another?

You mean the "right" to be a baker? Or a florist?

Should a Halal food establishment be required to cater a Jewish wedding? Can the Jew sue the Muslims if they refuse?

Yes, and yes.

PP -- hit post too soon, sorry. If the Jewish couple wants the catering services the Halal establishment provides, no, the Halal establishment should not be permitted to refuse service to the Jewish couple just because they are Jews. If they do, the Jewish couple should be permitted to sue.

Why are the Jew's rights more important that the Muslim's rights?

The Muslim's rights are not being infringed. No one is forcing them to participate in Jewish weddings. They made that choice by choosing the business they operate.

And on that, you are wrong. One does not give up their rights simply because they chose to operate a business. Again, you can feel free to introduce the amendment of your choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First step toward sharia law.

+1000

The conservatives who are in favor of turning away gay couples who want to buy wedding cakes are too short-sighted to realize that they are throwing the door wide open for Sharia law, and using the exact same approach, a Muslim business owner could then turn away Christian women if they aren't wearing a headscarf.

Very, very foolish and shortsighted. Typical conservative myopia. They are causing far more damage than they realize.

Except the shop owners were not turning away the couple simply because they were gay. They were exercising their right not to participate in their WEDDING.

The short-sighted ones are the progressives who can't understand this distinction.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this different than providing service to blacks, jews, muslims or anyone else you don't like??? I think this law is extremely bigoted.

I think marriage needs an overhaul. It shouldn't be a federal thing, just a religious institution.

Because it's not about not liking someone! That's what is being pushed but it's not correct. It's about the religious belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. That doesn't mean the religious individual doesn't like gay people.

Again, people have argued that their religion prohibits interracial marriages. Should bakers therefore be permitted to refuse to bake a wedding cake for an interracial couple?

I believe the Constitution was amended to prohibit that. Feel free to introduce an amendment that covered what you'd like it to.

Really? There's a cake-baking amendment?

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Anonymous wrote:What makes denying a gay couple a cake a legitimate religious issue?

Where exactly in the Bible does it say thou shalt turn away people whom you do not agree with?

More specifically, where did Jesus teach anything even remotely like this?

I can't seem to find it anywhere. Certainly not in the Gospels which are the first hand testimony of Christ's teachings. Anyone? Anyone? Citation, please?

If you can't come up with one then it's not really a bonafide religious issue. So please stop trying to wrap your homophobic bigotry up in religion thinking it can act as a shield. If even Jesus isn't backing you up on this then you are full of crap.

The bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman. A baker, who bakes a wedding cake for a gay couple means that baker is participating in the wedding. This is VERY different than a gay couple simply coming in to buy cookies, or any other baked goods already on the shelf - including a cake. Forcing someone to participate in something that is against their religious beliefs is what this law is about. It does not give shop owners permission to shout 'you're gay, get out".

Should a Halal shop owner be forced to participate in a Jewish wedding? I don't think so.

"Participating in the wedding?" Oh, please. By that calculus, the chinese factory that made the lace for the veil is also "participating in the wedding"

But you still didn't answer the question. Where exactly in the Bible does it say the baker cannot do business with them? And, since we are talking about Christians here, where, specifically, in the Gospels does it say that?

If the veil is special-ordered or custom made, you are talking about shop owner participation. Off the shelf? Nope

Huh. My Bible doesn't seem to have that clause. Did yours come with some kind of special Appendix of random new rules for what does and doesn't constitute "participation?"

Your bible has the 'marriage is between a man and a woman' line, and talks extensively of marriage.

You're aware that in your attempt to protect the rights of your chosen group, you are trampling on the rights of another group, right? Is that OK? Why is your chosen group more important and/or more worthy that another?

You mean the "right" to be a baker? Or a florist?

Should a Halal food establishment be required to cater a Jewish wedding? Can the Jew sue the Muslims if they refuse?

Yes, and yes.

PP -- hit post too soon, sorry. If the Jewish couple wants the catering services the Halal establishment provides, no, the Halal establishment should not be permitted to refuse service to the Jewish couple just because they are Jews. If they do, the Jewish couple should be permitted to sue.

Why are the Jew's rights more important that the Muslim's rights?

The Muslim's rights are not being infringed. No one is forcing them to participate in Jewish weddings. They made that choice by choosing the business they operate.

And on that, you are wrong. One does not give up their rights simply because they chose to operate a business. Again, you can feel free to introduce the amendment of your choice.

Sure they do. Business owners have to abide by all sorts of laws in their professional capacity that they don't as private citizens. As business owners, they are benefiting from the public resources that we all contribute to -- roads, fire protection, police protection, etc. So, you have to serve the public, as it comes. Not as you want it to be.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes denying a gay couple a cake a legitimate religious issue?

Where exactly in the Bible does it say thou shalt turn away people whom you do not agree with?

More specifically, where did Jesus teach anything even remotely like this?

I can't seem to find it anywhere. Certainly not in the Gospels which are the first hand testimony of Christ's teachings. Anyone? Anyone? Citation, please?

If you can't come up with one then it's not really a bonafide religious issue. So please stop trying to wrap your homophobic bigotry up in religion thinking it can act as a shield. If even Jesus isn't backing you up on this then you are full of crap.

The bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman. A baker, who bakes a wedding cake for a gay couple means that baker is participating in the wedding. This is VERY different than a gay couple simply coming in to buy cookies, or any other baked goods already on the shelf - including a cake. Forcing someone to participate in something that is against their religious beliefs is what this law is about. It does not give shop owners permission to shout 'you're gay, get out".

Should a Halal shop owner be forced to participate in a Jewish wedding? I don't think so.

"Participating in the wedding?" Oh, please. By that calculus, the chinese factory that made the lace for the veil is also "participating in the wedding"

But you still didn't answer the question. Where exactly in the Bible does it say the baker cannot do business with them? And, since we are talking about Christians here, where, specifically, in the Gospels does it say that?

If the veil is special-ordered or custom made, you are talking about shop owner participation. Off the shelf? Nope

Huh. My Bible doesn't seem to have that clause. Did yours come with some kind of special Appendix of random new rules for what does and doesn't constitute "participation?"

Your bible has the 'marriage is between a man and a woman' line, and talks extensively of marriage.

You're aware that in your attempt to protect the rights of your chosen group, you are trampling on the rights of another group, right? Is that OK? Why is your chosen group more important and/or more worthy that another?

You mean the "right" to be a baker? Or a florist?

Should a Halal food establishment be required to cater a Jewish wedding? Can the Jew sue the Muslims if they refuse?

Yes, and yes.

PP -- hit post too soon, sorry. If the Jewish couple wants the catering services the Halal establishment provides, no, the Halal establishment should not be permitted to refuse service to the Jewish couple just because they are Jews. If they do, the Jewish couple should be permitted to sue.

Why are the Jew's rights more important that the Muslim's rights?

The Muslim's rights are not being infringed. No one is forcing them to participate in Jewish weddings. They made that choice by choosing the business they operate.

And on that, you are wrong. One does not give up their rights simply because they chose to operate a business. Again, you can feel free to introduce the amendment of your choice.

Sure you do. Can you imagine what would happen if a business refused to serve women because of a prohibition between men and women interacting? When you open up a business in America, you easily give up that right.

[Anonymous]

Mike Pence will fold like a cheap suit. He is a politician and this whole issue is a clusterfuck for him.

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Conservatives thought they had a new angle with Obamacare and contraceptives. As usual they went for it. But they overplayed their hand, and now they have introduced social issues into the 2016 election cycle again.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What makes denying a gay couple a cake a legitimate religious issue?

Where exactly in the Bible does it say thou shalt turn away people whom you do not agree with?

More specifically, where did Jesus teach anything even remotely like this?

I can't seem to find it anywhere. Certainly not in the Gospels which are the first hand testimony of Christ's teachings. Anyone? Anyone? Citation, please?

If you can't come up with one then it's not really a bonafide religious issue. So please stop trying to wrap your homophobic bigotry up in religion thinking it can act as a shield. If even Jesus isn't backing you up on this then you are full of crap.

"Woe to the baker who selleth his wares to a man who layeth with man. For he is cursed in the eyes of the Lord. His sons shall be singers of show tunes and his daughters the keepers of rescue dogs"
--Dumbass 2:25-34

While I don't necessarily like the broad brush used to paint Christians, this "scripture" quote is pretty hilarious.

It's not really a broad brush painting all Christians, it's just calling out the fake Christians who try to wrap up bigotry in their own warped and confabulated version of the Bible with made-up doctrine and teachings that don't actually exist in the real Bible...

Sorry wasn't clear - did not mean your broad brush, but the earlier poster who claimed Christians would not patronize businesses run by gays.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes denying a gay couple a cake a legitimate religious issue?

Where exactly in the Bible does it say thou shalt turn away people whom you do not agree with?

More specifically, where did Jesus teach anything even remotely like this?

I can't seem to find it anywhere. Certainly not in the Gospels which are the first hand testimony of Christ's teachings. Anyone? Anyone? Citation, please?

If you can't come up with one then it's not really a bonafide religious issue. So please stop trying to wrap your homophobic bigotry up in religion thinking it can act as a shield. If even Jesus isn't backing you up on this then you are full of crap.

The bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman. A baker, who bakes a wedding cake for a gay couple means that baker is participating in the wedding. This is VERY different than a gay couple simply coming in to buy cookies, or any other baked goods already on the shelf - including a cake. Forcing someone to participate in something that is against their religious beliefs is what this law is about. It does not give shop owners permission to shout 'you're gay, get out".

Should a Halal shop owner be forced to participate in a Jewish wedding? I don't think so.

"Participating in the wedding?" Oh, please. By that calculus, the chinese factory that made the lace for the veil is also "participating in the wedding"

But you still didn't answer the question. Where exactly in the Bible does it say the baker cannot do business with them? And, since we are talking about Christians here, where, specifically, in the Gospels does it say that?

If the veil is special-ordered or custom made, you are talking about shop owner participation. Off the shelf? Nope

Huh. My Bible doesn't seem to have that clause. Did yours come with some kind of special Appendix of random new rules for what does and doesn't constitute "participation?"

Your bible has the 'marriage is between a man and a woman' line, and talks extensively of marriage.

You're aware that in your attempt to protect the rights of your chosen group, you are trampling on the rights of another group, right? Is that OK? Why is your chosen group more important and/or more worthy that another?

You mean the "right" to be a baker? Or a florist?

Should a Halal food establishment be required to cater a Jewish wedding? Can the Jew sue the Muslims if they refuse?

Why are you so certain that a Halal food establishment might not want to cater a Jewish wedding? If I wanted something approaching a kosher wedding, the Halal establishment may be the closest I can get to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:really this is just further proof that the fly over portions of our country are mostly inbred shallow thinkers who believe in magic space men and think hate is ok as long as it is towards people not like them. This is nothing new and will be struck down in the courts and become a hick rallying cry just in time to embarrass the next round of republican nominees as they try to placate their hick base causing them to lose precious informed voters in the cities tipping the election back to the Dems again.

Oy, there are plenty of gay and straight Hoosiers protesting this law. Please keep your bigoted bicoastal comments to yourself.

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let's cut to the chase., It's homo fascism. - You will accept my lifestyle and cater to me or I will destroy you.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this different than providing service to blacks, jews, muslims or anyone else you don't like??? I think this law is extremely bigoted.

I think marriage needs an overhaul. It shouldn't be a federal thing, just a religious institution.

Because it's not about not liking someone! That's what is being pushed but it's not correct. It's about the religious belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. That doesn't mean the religious individual doesn't like gay people.

Again, people have argued that their religion prohibits interracial marriages. Should bakers therefore be permitted to refuse to bake a wedding cake for an interracial couple?

I believe the Constitution was amended to prohibit that. Feel free to introduce an amendment that covered what you'd like it to.

Which constitutional amendment do you think allowed interracial marriage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:let's cut to the chase., It's homo fascism. - You will accept my lifestyle and cater to me or I will destroy you.

Accepting gay lifestyle? Gee, I didn't realize how much went into baking a cake.

Bake the damn cake, deliver it, and take the money. How hard is that?