Colgate v. Colby v. Kenyon

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Anonymous wrote:We visited all three colleges but our impressions were not as I had expected. Kenyon impressed us the most, but Colgate was disappointing. Our daughter ended up going to Colby.

Why was Colgate disappointing?

Not PP. We also found Colgate disappointing. After going on the college tour we took a pass on the info session. In our opinion the buildings, except for the science buildings were ill-kept, the dorms seemed really sub-par, the campus looked dreary and the location is as much in the middle of nowhere as Kenyon.

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We did a tour of Colgate. We didn't see any building that was "sub" par? The dorm we saw was actually larger than usual and quite nice (for a Freshman). I'm not sure what is so disappointing but next year DD is considering applying. If anyone else has thoughts, love to read them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We visited all three colleges but our impressions were not as I had expected. Kenyon impressed us the most, but Colgate was disappointing. Our daughter ended up going to Colby.

Why was Colgate disappointing?

Not PP. We also found Colgate disappointing. After going on the college tour we took a pass on the info session. In our opinion the buildings, except for the science buildings were ill-kept, the dorms seemed really sub-par, the campus looked dreary and the location is as much in the middle of nowhere as Kenyon.

I have visited both schools and liked Colgate. That said, Gambier, OH, where Kenyon is located, looks like a charming New England town. Hamilton, where Colgate is, has the feel of so many upstate NY towns that saw better days decades ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We visited all three colleges but our impressions were not as I had expected. Kenyon impressed us the most, but Colgate was disappointing. Our daughter ended up going to Colby.

Why was Colgate disappointing?

Not PP. We also found Colgate disappointing. After going on the college tour we took a pass on the info session. In our opinion the buildings, except for the science buildings were ill-kept, the dorms seemed really sub-par, the campus looked dreary and the location is as much in the middle of nowhere as Kenyon.

I have visited both schools and liked Colgate. That said, Gambier, OH, where Kenyon is located, looks like a charming New England town. Hamilton, where Colgate is, has the feel of so many upstate NY towns that saw better days decades ago.

Possibly, but Kenyon is just too remote for most.....takes a special kind of student to want that....

[Anonymous]

What about Colby, Bates, or Kenyon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That was me. I goofed. My family member who went to Amherst would smack me. Total brainfart.

I do maintain my other comments about Colgate. My family is a bunch of northeasterners and the northern SLACS were all I ever heard about and I did go to a prep school in DC. I also went to law school and met those SLAC grads on the other side (I went to large state U much to the horror of my parents and my prep school even though it was much better that some of the slacs my classmates went to. But i digress...).

I just never heard Colby or Kenyon mentioned in the same breath as Colgate. [b]Colgate was discussed by people considering Amherst, Williams, Davidson, Bucknell, Lehigh, etc. Those people were hoping for Ivy but knew it wasn't likely. Colby and Kenyon were mentioned by people who were also looking at Union and Gettysburg and Dickinson. Totally different league of schools. [b]

I know I totally goofed and did a face palm as I was making dinner last night. But I also checked US News and sure enough Colby is ranked higher than Colgate. Things have changed a lot since I looked at school.

Not admitted to little 3 but also didn't apply. Admitted to Mt. Holyoke, Lehigh, and Wake Forest but chose State U. Go public schools!

There's no way Bucknell & Lehigh are in the same league as Davidson, much less Amherst or Williams. Colgate ( & Colby) are a notch above Bucknell/Lehigh but a notch below Davidson/Amherst/Williams. I'd rank Kenyon slightly below Colgate/Colby & slightly above Bucknell/Lehigh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me. I goofed. My family member who went to Amherst would smack me. Total brainfart.

I do maintain my other comments about Colgate. My family is a bunch of northeasterners and the northern SLACS were all I ever heard about and I did go to a prep school in DC. I also went to law school and met those SLAC grads on the other side (I went to large state U much to the horror of my parents and my prep school even though it was much better that some of the slacs my classmates went to. But i digress...).

I just never heard Colby or Kenyon mentioned in the same breath as Colgate. [b]Colgate was discussed by people considering Amherst, Williams, Davidson, Bucknell, Lehigh, etc. Those people were hoping for Ivy but knew it wasn't likely. Colby and Kenyon were mentioned by people who were also looking at Union and Gettysburg and Dickinson. Totally different league of schools. [b]

I know I totally goofed and did a face palm as I was making dinner last night. But I also checked US News and sure enough Colby is ranked higher than Colgate. Things have changed a lot since I looked at school.

Not admitted to little 3 but also didn't apply. Admitted to Mt. Holyoke, Lehigh, and Wake Forest but chose State U. Go public schools!

There's no way Bucknell & Lehigh are in the same league as Davidson, much less Amherst or Williams. Colgate ( & Colby) are a notch above Bucknell/Lehigh but a notch below Davidson/Amherst/Williams. I'd rank Kenyon slightly below Colgate/Colby & slightly above Bucknell/Lehigh.

Do you think these distinctions really matter all that much to employers or grad schools? I don't -- and I went to Williams (and loved it), but parents, especially in this area, obsess about the long-term impact of differences in admissions selectivity. A student graduating from any of these schools with a good transcript and resume will do very well.

[Anonymous]

Colgate is in the middle of nowhere. And in that part of NY State, nowhere is a large area. Colgate is expensive(I know, which college isn't) and, when you graduate, you will work....far away. There are no jobs or industries near the school. Thus, if you go there, and seek an internship and or a permanent job, expect to get that via connections or your own hussle. The town is 2 streets. Visited, and was disappointed. Also, went in mid September, and it was already frigid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me. I goofed. My family member who went to Amherst would smack me. Total brainfart.

I do maintain my other comments about Colgate. My family is a bunch of northeasterners and the northern SLACS were all I ever heard about and I did go to a prep school in DC. I also went to law school and met those SLAC grads on the other side (I went to large state U much to the horror of my parents and my prep school even though it was much better that some of the slacs my classmates went to. But i digress...).

I just never heard Colby or Kenyon mentioned in the same breath as Colgate. [b]Colgate was discussed by people considering Amherst, Williams, Davidson, Bucknell, Lehigh, etc. Those people were hoping for Ivy but knew it wasn't likely. Colby and Kenyon were mentioned by people who were also looking at Union and Gettysburg and Dickinson. Totally different league of schools. [b]

I know I totally goofed and did a face palm as I was making dinner last night. But I also checked US News and sure enough Colby is ranked higher than Colgate. Things have changed a lot since I looked at school.

Not admitted to little 3 but also didn't apply. Admitted to Mt. Holyoke, Lehigh, and Wake Forest but chose State U. Go public schools!

There's no way Bucknell & Lehigh are in the same league as Davidson, much less Amherst or Williams. Colgate ( & Colby) are a notch above Bucknell/Lehigh but a notch below Davidson/Amherst/Williams. I'd rank Kenyon slightly below Colgate/Colby & slightly above Bucknell/Lehigh.

Do you think these distinctions really matter all that much to employers or grad schools? I don't -- and I went to Williams (and loved it), but parents, especially in this area, obsess about the long-term impact of differences in admissions selectivity. A student graduating from any of these schools with a good transcript and resume will do very well.

I agree with you but it seems to matter to a lot of people on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about Colby, Bates, or Kenyon?

In terms of current reputation & difficulty of admission, the differences between these schools is minimal enough that I'd really advise a kid deciding between the three to decide purely on fit. If I absolutely had to rank them for some reason, however, I'd say:
1)Colby
2)Bates
3)Kenyon

-former (until last year) college counselor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me. I goofed. My family member who went to Amherst would smack me. Total brainfart.

I do maintain my other comments about Colgate. My family is a bunch of northeasterners and the northern SLACS were all I ever heard about and I did go to a prep school in DC. I also went to law school and met those SLAC grads on the other side (I went to large state U much to the horror of my parents and my prep school even though it was much better that some of the slacs my classmates went to. But i digress...).

I just never heard Colby or Kenyon mentioned in the same breath as Colgate. [b]Colgate was discussed by people considering Amherst, Williams, Davidson, Bucknell, Lehigh, etc. Those people were hoping for Ivy but knew it wasn't likely. Colby and Kenyon were mentioned by people who were also looking at Union and Gettysburg and Dickinson. Totally different league of schools. [b]

I know I totally goofed and did a face palm as I was making dinner last night. But I also checked US News and sure enough Colby is ranked higher than Colgate. Things have changed a lot since I looked at school.

Not admitted to little 3 but also didn't apply. Admitted to Mt. Holyoke, Lehigh, and Wake Forest but chose State U. Go public schools!

There's no way Bucknell & Lehigh are in the same league as Davidson, much less Amherst or Williams. Colgate ( & Colby) are a notch above Bucknell/Lehigh but a notch below Davidson/Amherst/Williams. I'd rank Kenyon slightly below Colgate/Colby & slightly above Bucknell/Lehigh.

Do you think these distinctions really matter all that much to employers or grad schools? I don't -- and I went to Williams (and loved it), but parents, especially in this area, obsess about the long-term impact of differences in admissions selectivity. A student graduating from any of these schools with a good transcript and resume will do very well.

I agree with you but it seems to matter to a lot of people on DCUM.

The narcissism of small differences -- Freud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colgate is in the middle of nowhere. And in that part of NY State, nowhere is a large area. Colgate is expensive(I know, which college isn't) and, when you graduate, you will work....far away. There are no jobs or industries near the school. Thus, if you go there, and seek an internship and or a permanent job, expect to get that via connections or your own hussle. The town is 2 streets. Visited, and was disappointed. Also, went in mid September, and it was already frigid.

You clearly have not been to Kenyon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me. I goofed. My family member who went to Amherst would smack me. Total brainfart.

I do maintain my other comments about Colgate. My family is a bunch of northeasterners and the northern SLACS were all I ever heard about and I did go to a prep school in DC. I also went to law school and met those SLAC grads on the other side (I went to large state U much to the horror of my parents and my prep school even though it was much better that some of the slacs my classmates went to. But i digress...).

I just never heard Colby or Kenyon mentioned in the same breath as Colgate. [b]Colgate was discussed by people considering Amherst, Williams, Davidson, Bucknell, Lehigh, etc. Those people were hoping for Ivy but knew it wasn't likely. Colby and Kenyon were mentioned by people who were also looking at Union and Gettysburg and Dickinson. Totally different league of schools. [b]

I know I totally goofed and did a face palm as I was making dinner last night. But I also checked US News and sure enough Colby is ranked higher than Colgate. Things have changed a lot since I looked at school.

Not admitted to little 3 but also didn't apply. Admitted to Mt. Holyoke, Lehigh, and Wake Forest but chose State U. Go public schools!

There's no way Bucknell & Lehigh are in the same league as Davidson, much less Amherst or Williams. Colgate ( & Colby) are a notch above Bucknell/Lehigh but a notch below Davidson/Amherst/Williams. I'd rank Kenyon slightly below Colgate/Colby & slightly above Bucknell/Lehigh.

Do you think these distinctions really matter all that much to employers or grad schools? I don't -- and I went to Williams (and loved it), but parents, especially in this area, obsess about the long-term impact of differences in admissions selectivity. A student graduating from any of these schools with a good transcript and resume will do very well.

I agree with your point about employers. However, I have to admit that PP nailed the distinctions between the colleges. The distinctions do serve as a pretty good reference when a student is trying to figure out where to apply based on having a distribution of reach and target schools. If you take a look at the Common Data Sets for each of these schools it really does validate PP's distinctions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me. I goofed. My family member who went to Amherst would smack me. Total brainfart.

I do maintain my other comments about Colgate. My family is a bunch of northeasterners and the northern SLACS were all I ever heard about and I did go to a prep school in DC. I also went to law school and met those SLAC grads on the other side (I went to large state U much to the horror of my parents and my prep school even though it was much better that some of the slacs my classmates went to. But i digress...).

I just never heard Colby or Kenyon mentioned in the same breath as Colgate. [b]Colgate was discussed by people considering Amherst, Williams, Davidson, Bucknell, Lehigh, etc. Those people were hoping for Ivy but knew it wasn't likely. Colby and Kenyon were mentioned by people who were also looking at Union and Gettysburg and Dickinson. Totally different league of schools. [b]

I know I totally goofed and did a face palm as I was making dinner last night. But I also checked US News and sure enough Colby is ranked higher than Colgate. Things have changed a lot since I looked at school.

Not admitted to little 3 but also didn't apply. Admitted to Mt. Holyoke, Lehigh, and Wake Forest but chose State U. Go public schools!

There's no way Bucknell & Lehigh are in the same league as Davidson, much less Amherst or Williams. Colgate ( & Colby) are a notch above Bucknell/Lehigh but a notch below Davidson/Amherst/Williams. I'd rank Kenyon slightly below Colgate/Colby & slightly above Bucknell/Lehigh.

Do you think these distinctions really matter all that much to employers or grad schools? I don't -- and I went to Williams (and loved it), but parents, especially in this area, obsess about the long-term impact of differences in admissions selectivity. A student graduating from any of these schools with a good transcript and resume will do very well.

I agree with you but it seems to matter to a lot of people on DCUM.

The narcissism of small differences -- Freud.

Ha good quotation. Too bad it pretty much sums up college admissions is all about these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about Colby, Bates, or Kenyon?

In terms of current reputation & difficulty of admission, the differences between these schools is minimal enough that I'd really advise a kid deciding between the three to decide purely on fit. If I absolutely had to rank them for some reason, however, I'd say:
1)Colby
2)Bates
3)Kenyon

-former (until last year) college counselor

This looks right to me too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me. I goofed. My family member who went to Amherst would smack me. Total brainfart.

I do maintain my other comments about Colgate. My family is a bunch of northeasterners and the northern SLACS were all I ever heard about and I did go to a prep school in DC. I also went to law school and met those SLAC grads on the other side (I went to large state U much to the horror of my parents and my prep school even though it was much better that some of the slacs my classmates went to. But i digress...).

I just never heard Colby or Kenyon mentioned in the same breath as Colgate. [b]Colgate was discussed by people considering Amherst, Williams, Davidson, Bucknell, Lehigh, etc. Those people were hoping for Ivy but knew it wasn't likely. Colby and Kenyon were mentioned by people who were also looking at Union and Gettysburg and Dickinson. Totally different league of schools. [b]

I know I totally goofed and did a face palm as I was making dinner last night. But I also checked US News and sure enough Colby is ranked higher than Colgate. Things have changed a lot since I looked at school.

Not admitted to little 3 but also didn't apply. Admitted to Mt. Holyoke, Lehigh, and Wake Forest but chose State U. Go public schools!

There's no way Bucknell & Lehigh are in the same league as Davidson, much less Amherst or Williams. Colgate ( & Colby) are a notch above Bucknell/Lehigh but a notch below Davidson/Amherst/Williams. I'd rank Kenyon slightly below Colgate/Colby & slightly above Bucknell/Lehigh.

Do you think these distinctions really matter all that much to employers or grad schools? I don't -- and I went to Williams (and loved it), but parents, especially in this area, obsess about the long-term impact of differences in admissions selectivity. A student graduating from any of these schools with a good transcript and resume will do very well.

Ok--so at least one person on this thread is sane. The rest of you need to take chill pills.