Got a Smart Kid Applying for College Anytime Soon? Read this NYT Article (if you haven't yet)

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Then you don't read much.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I noticed: Ivies do accept people who have not got a change in !@$$ of going there. That has happened to several friends kids. Make HHI over $100K -- that is two school teachers in the DC area. So you get accepted, but not being eligible for aid, you decline. Who is going to take out a loan for $230K to go to an Ivy? The rich of course.

That doesn't make any sense at all. First, the Ivies have the highest yield rates, a key measure of desirability. So they wouldn't push their yields down by admitting kids they know won't attend. Second, the Ivies are the richest institutions out there. So they have more money to spend on financial aid than public universities. anyone worried about affordability of the Ivies should check out the net price calculators on their websites. In general families earning less than $150,000 will find that the Ivies have remarkably low costs after financial aid is included. If you make $100,000 your kid will likely get a grant that would cover all of tuition ($45k+) and it would be cheaper to go there than many state schools. Because of their wealth, all of the Ivies commit to providing enough aid to match the expected family contribution, so they never underfund the aid package like commonly done at most other schools.

My point is just that top-notch middle class kids should never let the sticker price scare them away from applying to the Ivies.

You can apply, but an upper middle class family in the DC area (HHI $250) will not get aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Then you don't read much.

Provide some links for me to read, please?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
You can apply, but an upper middle class family in the DC area (HHI $250) will not get aid.

You can apply, but a rich family in the DC area (HHI $250) will not get aid.

(Fixed that for you.)

[Anonymous]

Click your heels together Dorothy and repeat: Children of Ivy legacy are not smart. Repeat until you believe. No wait, that what you believed in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Click your heels together Dorothy and repeat: Children of Ivy legacy are not smart. Repeat until you believe. No wait, that what you believed in the first place.

The Ivy League admissions committees say that you get extra points on your application if you are a legacy. Are you saying that's not true?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then you don't read much.

Provide some links for me to read, please?

http://www.amazon.com/Affirmative-Action-Rich-Preferences-Admissions/dp/0870785184

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then you don't read much.

Provide some links for me to read, please?

http://www.amazon.com/Affirmative-Action-Rich-Preferences-Admissions/dp/0870785184

Thank you!

(Oh, the blurb says what I said:

The use of race-based affirmative action in higher education has given rise to hundreds of books and law review articles, numerous court decisions, and several state initiatives to ban the practice. However, surprisingly little has been said or written or done to challenge a larger, longstanding "affirmative action" program that tends to benefit wealthy whites: legacy preferences for the children of alumni.)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Click your heels together Dorothy and repeat: Children of Ivy legacy are not smart. Repeat until you believe. No wait, that what you believed in the first place.

The Ivy League admissions committees say that you get extra points on your application if you are a legacy. Are you saying that's not true?

You can be legacy AND ALSO be smart. This is not to say that all legacies are smart, but it's a mistake to assume that they're all dim-bulbs. They all have well-educated parents, many (most?) of whom are also affluent, so they have an academic advantage from the time they're toddlers, long before they're applying to colleges.

--a Harvard legacy admit w/SAT avg of 760 who was admitted to Columbia on my own merits

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then you don't read much.

Provide some links for me to read, please?

http://www.amazon.com/Affirmative-Action-Rich-Preferences-Admissions/dp/0870785184

Thank you!

(Oh, the blurb says what I said:

The use of race-based affirmative action in higher education has given rise to hundreds of books and law review articles, numerous court decisions, and several state initiatives to ban the practice. However, surprisingly little has been said or written or done to challenge a larger, longstanding "affirmative action" program that tends to benefit wealthy whites: legacy preferences for the children of alumni.)

Now you are being wilfully obtuse. The book is 4 years old. Yours is a common, unoriginal refrain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Click your heels together Dorothy and repeat: Children of Ivy legacy are not smart. Repeat until you believe. No wait, that what you believed in the first place.

The Ivy League admissions committees say that you get extra points on your application if you are a legacy. Are you saying that's not true?

You can be legacy AND ALSO be smart. This is not to say that all legacies are smart, but it's a mistake to assume that they're all dim-bulbs. They all have well-educated parents, many (most?) of whom are also affluent, so they have an academic advantage from the time they're toddlers, long before they're applying to colleges.

--a Harvard legacy admit w/SAT avg of 760 who was admitted to Columbia on my own merits

Of course you can be a legacy and also be smart. The point is that you don't have to be as smart as people who aren't legacies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Click your heels together Dorothy and repeat: Children of Ivy legacy are not smart. Repeat until you believe. No wait, that what you believed in the first place.

The Ivy League admissions committees say that you get extra points on your application if you are a legacy. Are you saying that's not true?

You can be legacy AND ALSO be smart. This is not to say that all legacies are smart, but it's a mistake to assume that they're all dim-bulbs. They all have well-educated parents, many (most?) of whom are also affluent, so they have an academic advantage from the time they're toddlers, long before they're applying to colleges.

--a Harvard legacy admit w/SAT avg of 760 who was admitted to Columbia on my own merits

Of course you can be a legacy and also be smart. The point is that you don't have to be as smart as people who aren't legacies.

They're ALL smart, legacies and non-legacies! Lots of Ivies could fill their incoming classes many times over with applicants who have GPAs of 3.9 and SATs of 2200 and above. The advantage of being a legacy is that it gives you that little bump that puts you ahead of all the other applicants who otherwise have the exact same stats as you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This trend makes those families who focused on athleticism as a way to stand out, look increasingly savvy.

Only to people who have no idea what they are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You can apply, but an upper middle class family in the DC area (HHI $250) will not get aid.

You can apply, but a rich family in the DC area (HHI $250) will not get aid.

(Fixed that for you.)

Thank you. These people are insane.

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/49807529