Downton Abbey 2/16 thread *Spoilers*

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Anonymous wrote:I have forgotten, what is it Thomas is upset about that he feels he needs the dirt? I'd think he would be pretty full of himself for getting to go to New York with the boss in place of Bates. But, it doesn't seem like he was able to kiss up much to him since Lord G said how much he missed Bates.

I can't remember either! For a time, I thought Thomas was going to a good guy, especially after that whole situation with Jimmy last season, and after he and Jimmy became friends. Thomas just seemed so much nicer. Thought he had turned a corner!

Yes, I also thought that he was evolving into a nicer, more sympathetic character. Not so much anymore. Personally, I think he's gathering dirt because he knows that everyone dislikes him, and he thinks that knowing their secrets will give him power. Remember the situation with O'Brian, when she was encouraging James to force Thomas out the door without a reference? Thomas used his knowledge of her deepest, darkest secret (her role in her Ladyship's miscarriage) to blackmail her into reversing course. As a result, he not only got to stay, he got a promotion. I think he learned from that situation, and is positioning himself to have blackmail-worthy material on everyone. Plus, I think he's just a nosy, gossipy busybody.

Too bad Thomas doesn't have a love life.

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Anonymous wrote:With respect to 9:34s comment, I'm glad he's dead, because if he did that to Anna, he was doing it to other people as well.

Too bad that Mary already talked to his boss, because in retrospect it proved unnecessary and now casts suspicion on the DA household. Bad luck there.

9:34 here: I'm glad he's dead too, I just wish we had had a chance to see Bates look him in the eyes and let him know exactly what was coming. That would have been sweet retribution.

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Real scary, he's a sociopath and total excon. Anna probably senses somewhere in her heart that he really killed his exwife. When he first arrived, she saw his potential and felt that she could help him. Anna has always struck me as having low self esteem deep down. Gosh, I hope they don't turn her character into an abused woman.

I think it was pretty well-established that he did not actually kill his ex-wife, right? She committed suicide and framed him at the same time.

And I still love Bates, but it sucks that all this crap has happened to him and Anna.

We were lead to believe that is what happened, the framed suicide. But, everyone seems so sure he would kill the rapist and I think that is because they really believe he killed his wife.

Anna even believes that he's capable of murder, reason she was afraid to tell him about the rape. She even went so far as to sit next to her rapist a few times during servant tea time. Interesting that Bates picked up bad vibes about the rapist from the start when no one else did.

While it was established that Vera Bates may have framed him, he sure was capable of threatening and killing his cellmate. I totally believed that he could have killed him and never doubted that he killed Vera. Not sure why this side of his personality was revealed back then if not to be used as foreshadowing. In episode one, this season Bates secretly forges Mosesly's signature on some doc (being helpful to give him money) which I thought was sort of sketchy and saying something about his character, the quiet forger.

Season five may reveal Bates for who/what he is, I fear that Anna will suffer. I didn't feel any sense of conflict when thinking of him as a cold-blooded murderer vs. a loving, gallant husband revenging his wife's rape.

Remember, Bates served in war (WWI?) with Lord Grantham. We don't know exactly what happened there, but we do know that's how they became close. I think I recall LG saying something about owing his life to Bates? Trusting Bates with his life? Can't recall exactly. But he could have been through something in the war that explains that part of his personality.

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Bates served in the Boer War with Lord Grantham and did save his life. He was wounded in the leg during the war. If you ever read any Rudyard Kipling, you will understand the nature of upper class Englishmen and their "manservant" during war time. Remember Matthew and William during World War I. William literally gave his life fro Matthew.

I suspect Lord Grantham was a little homophobic about having Thomas serve as his valet on the trip to the States.

We don't know if Thomas has a love life or not. He could; it just isn't mentioned or shown.

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How did the upstairs find out that Thomas is gay?

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Anonymous wrote:Molesley was awesome this episode. I too am struggling to figure out what Thomas has over Baxter. Have there been any hints? If so, I've missed them.

I suspect that Bates was involved somehow, but didn't actually do it himself. Perhaps he hired someone that he met in prison to do the dirty work? He looked way too happy in that last scene.

Love love love the clothes.

Nah, Bates definitely did it.

Bates is a scary dude.

Totally.

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I liked the Mosely story. I usually don't like him, but I liked him in this one. It's sweet to see a romance between two people that aren't normally in the limelight.

Regarding Thomas Barrow, he just always wants dirt. That is the way he is.

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Anonymous wrote:How did the upstairs find out that Thomas is gay?

the guy Thomas hit on filed a report with the police. The police come out to investigate.

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Anonymous wrote:The scene with Isobel, the Dowager Countess, and the flowers was priceless.

This ep was on the level of Season 1. Finally!

Agreed. Countess can deliver quips and looks.

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Anonymous wrote:How did the upstairs find out that Thomas is gay?

the guy Thomas hit on filed a report with the police. The police come out to investigate.

Huh? I don't remember someone going to the police about Thomas. Could you refresh my memory? Was it the little blonde guy who liked Ivy? Was it the guy barrow had an affair with the first episode in season 1?

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Winterthur Museum in Delaware is having an exhibit of Downton Abbey costumes beginning March 1

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maril332 wrote:At what point did Dowager Lady Grantham (Edith's grandmother) find out that Edith was pregnant? Did she know when she sat Rosamund and Edith down?

C'mon, a sudden three month trip to Switzerland? That is so obvious.

I couldn't figure out why they wouldn't need to be there longer... isn't Edith only a couple of months preggers? Seems like she'd have to be away at least seven months or so.

I don't recall them saying when they'd be leaving. Maybe they are planning on going to Switzerland in a few months?

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Anonymous wrote:I have forgotten, what is it Thomas is upset about that he feels he needs the dirt? I'd think he would be pretty full of himself for getting to go to New York with the boss in place of Bates. But, it doesn't seem like he was able to kiss up much to him since Lord G said how much he missed Bates.

There's nothing specific Thomas is upset about, it's just his personality. Honestly, the whole thing with Thomas always needing dirt is getting old.

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Anonymous wrote:Winterthur Museum in Delaware is having an exhibit of Downton Abbey costumes beginning March 1

Road Trip!!

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Anonymous wrote:Winterthur Museum in Delaware is having an exhibit of Downton Abbey costumes beginning March 1

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