Thoughts on U. Wisc. Madison (for out of state student)

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone with knowledge, non-snarkily compare/contrast UW-M, U Illinois and U Indiana? (Because I can admit here that I couldn't tell them apart on a map or on game day but DS is starting to show some interest in these colleges). Thanks.


No Indiana info.... but

Late 1990s

I graduated from Madison (oos)
Sister University of Illinois Garda (in-state)
In the 1990s, U of I was harder to get into than Madison (even though I was from Illinois!)

Both ended up with same liberal arts majors.
Neither of us big into partying nor football - so many activities and clubs.
Both loved our Big 10 school experiences!
Both Ivy League grad schools and happy, successful adults.

I loved Madison and the strong public service vibe - the Wisconsin Idea feels real.

Like any big school, you find a niche or two. Good luck!




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Anonymous wrote:So how do the Midwesterners treat the kid from Bethesada or McLean?


What about regarding frats - is is much harder to pledge if you are from out of state?


Not an issue. Anyone can join the frats, its not like the ones in the south.
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Anonymous wrote:Illinois alum here. Madison is a much nicer town than Champaign-Urbana, no doubt. But I do believe it is harder to get into Illinois than Wisconsin (at least it traditionally was). In addition to a great engineering program, UofI also has a top undergrad business program (not graduate). Huge numbers of kids from the North Shore suburbs of Chicago go to Illinois -- a very similar demographic to Bethesda or McLean. Lots also go to Wisconsin and Indiana. This can be a good or a bad thing, depending on your perspective and what you are looking for.


I live in Illinois and gave a talk there and found that U of I people are obsessed with it, incredibly proud, and absolutely love it there. I was a little surprised because Champaign-Urbana isn't exactly some exciting metropolis, but I was surprised by the universal adoration I see. They have a lot of Nobel prize winners on their alumni list, too.

UW people also seem quite fond of it. Generally, though, my experience with both unis is basically tangential and mostly about the cities and Madison is a much nicer town than U-C. I'd love to go to undergrad there.
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Anonymous wrote:So how do the Midwesterners treat the kid from Bethesada or McLean?


What about regarding frats - is is much harder to pledge if you are from out of state?

No. If anything Greek life is dominated by wealthy out of staters...being OOS is a huge plus
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Anonymous wrote:Illinois alum here. Madison is a much nicer town than Champaign-Urbana, no doubt. But I do believe it is harder to get into Illinois than Wisconsin (at least it traditionally was). In addition to a great engineering program, UofI also has a top undergrad business program (not graduate). Huge numbers of kids from the North Shore suburbs of Chicago go to Illinois -- a very similar demographic to Bethesda or McLean. Lots also go to Wisconsin and Indiana. This can be a good or a bad thing, depending on your perspective and what you are looking for.


I live in Illinois and gave a talk there and found that U of I people are obsessed with it, incredibly proud, and absolutely love it there. I was a little surprised because Champaign-Urbana isn't exactly some exciting metropolis, but I was surprised by the universal adoration I see. They have a lot of Nobel prize winners on their alumni list, too.

UW people also seem quite fond of it. Generally, though, my experience with both unis is basically tangential and mostly about the cities and Madison is a much nicer town than U-C. I'd love to go to undergrad there.


As an Illinois alum that has visited Madison quite a few times, there’s little doubt that Wisconsin has the superior college town as an objective observer. However, I still loved my time in Champaign and always thought that it gets a bad rap because its main direct competitors for students are the all-world college towns like Ann Arbor and Madison. If you’re looking at Champaign solely from the perspective of an actual college student (not as an adult in his/her 30s and older), it’s a spectacularly fun place that actually fits a normal student budget. There a tons of cheap food options and a legitimately large number of authentic ethnic cuisine restaurants (a byproduct of the very large international student population), a 19-year old bar entry age means that most people can head out to the main nightlife locations as early as freshman year, Big Ten sports (basketball game day culture is much stronger than football game day culture, so it’s more similar to Indiana than Michigan/Wisconsin in that respect), tons of concerts ranging from large acts to smaller ones and from rock/hip-hop/country to classical), etc. It’s quite an active campus with a ton to do.

The main drawback of Champaign (and it admittedly can be a large one for a fair number of people) is the lack of natural scenery and outdoor activities. Madison, despite being in a colder weather location, beats Champaign by a mile on that front with its directional access to lakes along with Midwestern-standard ski areas and other recreational activities nearby. Otherwise, though, Illinois is the epitome of a “work hard, play hard” campus. The academic preparation is great, especially in engineering and business, while also being an incredibly fun place to go to college. I’d be more than happy if my kids went there, too.

That being said, I think the in-state public flagship is perpetually underrated wherever you live. Most people in the Midwest would find it quite crazy that someone would pay extra money to go out-of-state if you have schools like UVA, William & Mary and Virginia Tech as in-state options. They would look at a place like Charlottesville as a top tier college town with a lot better weather. So, there’s a lot of “grass is greener” or “I want to get away from my high school classmates” thinking where people romanticize getting away simply to get away. The reality is that when you’ve got a good-to-great in-state public university option that has an active social scene, I find that most people end up loving their time there even if they didn’t think they would coming in.
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There are prior threads on IU & Bloomington. As a UIUC alum, Bloomington is a far better college town than Chambana.
U of I is extremely spread out unlike walkable IU. The cold won’t get you, the “Ice-Illini” storms are real as real can be when it’s that invisible black ice you and your Uggs wipe out on. The buses to classes those days will be completely full and you will miss class, sans doute.
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Anonymous wrote:So how do the Midwesterners treat the kid from Bethesada or McLean?


You idiots are so vapid, they treat them like they treat anyone else you twit. Bethesda and McLean are not the center of the universe and "Midwesterners" are not some alien species...get a frigging life asshole.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not equal to U-Michigan or UVA for prestige, but it is a great school, and the town of Madison, WI is truly beautiful. A lot like Ann Arbor, MI, actually, but prettier.



UVA may be considered more prestigious with college rankings but UW Madison has a more diverse social scene and less Greek influence. Madison is not lacking for anything for any type of college student. So much right on your doorstep in Madison and great academics. Any type of student can fit in and be happy.


UVA definitely has much more prestige in this region, but not in the Midwest where UVA is not at all well known. I think the schools have comparable reputations in NYC, but Wisconsin has a far larger Alum base.


BS...there are a hell of a lot more UVA grads in front office wall-street positions or strategy consulting positions than UW-Madison alums.


Good for UVA, but Wisconsin produces more of their bosses (CEOs).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So how do the Midwesterners treat the kid from Bethesada or McLean?


You idiots are so vapid, they treat them like they treat anyone else you twit. Bethesda and McLean are not the center of the universe and "Midwesterners" are not some alien species...get a frigging life asshole.


I like you!
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can someone with knowledge, non-snarkily compare/contrast UW-M, U Illinois and U Indiana? (Because I can admit here that I couldn't tell them apart on a map or on game day but DS is starting to show some interest in these colleges). Thanks.


Illinois has a very strong engineering program, especially EE

Indiana is among the best in the nation in music

In every other respect UW-Madison is in a very different class. UW Madison is ranked higher both as an undergraduate institution (which should be your child's main interest at this point) and as a world class research institution (important for some grad programs). Madison, WI consistently ranks at or near the top for quality of life (the main negative being the winter cold). Wisconsin is far more progressive than any other Midwest state - Milwaukee was the center of the American Socialist movement and Madison was the birthplace of the Progressive Party (La Follette). The UW Madison campus was second only to Cal Berkley in anti-War protests. UW-Madison is among the top 10 in the nation in terms of population of Jewish students and I think you'd be hard pressed to find an evangelical on campus.

In total, I'd say Illinois is quite different and Indiana is a "poor man's" Wisconsin.

Do you think an athletic, outgoing, rich white girl from a not great Catholic HS could find UW-M a fit (assuming strong enough scores to be accepted)?


Wisconsin is one of the most Catholic states in the country - you'd have no problem at all. Though the rich Cathloics in Wisconsin tend to go to Marquette.

Not if they are smart.
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Anonymous wrote:So how do the Midwesterners treat the kid from Bethesada or McLean?


Us Midwesterners are nice and accepting folk. They are accepted just fine.

Madison is gorgeous and a great college town. Typically the middle type of kids go there. Not super smart (they head to Ann Arbor or UofI engineering) but still bright kids. Iowa is great too. Iowa City is very similar to Madison. Though it was just ranked as the top party school so I bet things will be changing there.

Indiana, Ohio State, Iowa State, Minnesota-- less prestige than Madison and way, way below Michigan or UofI.

Definitely not below U of I. Nice try Illini!
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Anonymous wrote:How does it compare to Indiana University or university of Illinois?


Very favorably in all the academic measures quantified by national lists (US news being the most infamous of this type)

Not on the radar of the Whitman crowd though. Indiana sounds "Midwestern."' Madison evokes lakes and adorableness and not farming -- so it is acceptable to people from the east coast, and in particular, Jews and self-described intellectual parents. That's not an anti-Semitic swipe: try an experiment today. Ask a practicing Jewish parent which school they'd pick for their teen, Ohio State or UWisc? Uillinois or UWisc? UKansas or UWisc? Even U Minnesota vs U Wisconsin, and they're about two feet away from each other and "ranked" about the same.

This experiment would probably work with any parents in Bethesda and Ward 3, of any faith. For some reason, Wisconsin gets a pass on the "flyover country farm boy hicks evangelical" perception. Maybe it's the lakes and the fact that there is a sailing team. Hm.

Minnesota and Wisconsin are not “ranked about the same.” Wisconsin is higher and more popular with smart Minnesota kids. Better campus, academics, and college experience.
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Michigan
Wisconsin




Indiana
Illinois
Oho State

Michigan State


Minnesota


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Anonymous wrote:Michigan
Wisconsin




Indiana
Illinois
Oho State

Michigan State


Minnesota




Hmmm... disagree on that front. I'm speaking as an Illinois alum with no love for Michigan here, but I see it as follows:

Michigan

Illinois
Wisconsin

Ohio State
Minnesota
Purdue

Indiana
Michigan State

Now, to be sure, certain key programs punch far above their overall institutional weight. Illinois Engineering is on par or better than Michigan, Indiana Kelley Business School is on par or better than Illinois and Wisconsin, Purdue Engineering is great, etc.
Anonymous
UW Madison is more prestigious than UVA to everyone outside the DMV.
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