Your DD didn’t misunderstand the directions. She understood them just fine. She understood that she didn’t have the right calculator so she came up with a crafty solution. Her line of thinking was pretty much consistent with a typical middle school student who forgot the right calculator and was hoping to get away with using a different one. I give her credit for the creative idea but I think in general students at that age could easily think it was reasonable to do what she did. In fact, I think a peer review would be much easier on her than an adult review. What your DD did misunderstand is that she got away with her crafty solution and she just needed to be thankful and not flaunt. Oh well, lesson learned for her.
Then she is in good company because at least 95% of the general population gets anxious in stressful situations. Really OP, don’t ever use that as an example out loud if you want someone to take the situation seriously. |
|
I am 17:29. I think this poster has some xlnt ideas about how to handle the situation at a private school (I posted about the public school process not knowing at the time that OP was in private). I just wanted to add that it is entirely likely that if you and daughter do not show up for the Draconian panel that she will be expelled. You must be prepared for this. Also, if expelled, you can't ask for any tuition refund because you failed to comply with the school's procedural rules. I have no idea what private you are in - some boards support their principals 100% and look the other way; other boards might take action. I like the idea of taking it up to the Board but really can't make the call whether to do it now or after you refuse to go to the panel. Only you know the politics in your school. It could backfire on you. Do you think they want you gone? My gut is telling me that you have been marked as a "difficult mom" or the child has been so labeled - and that the school is really telling you that it is time to leave. Does that sound spot on? If so, again, my advice is to move her out ASAP. To another private or to public or homeschooling. Try to get a confidentiality agreement; I imagine the school has one or more already on file BUT READ THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT WILL FAVOR THE SCHOOL'S POSITION, so you can avoid a lawyer. Are you local? The only privates I can think of that might take a SN child mid-term is The McLean School in Potomac or Commonwealth Academy in Alexandria. But both are very very picky about who they take. McLean is much larger than Commonwealth Academy. Both take children with minor learning issues. They do not take behavioral problems which is why I think you need the confidentiality agreement. You won't get in if your principal says your child cheats or is dishonest. Wow. Good luck. Please post to let us all know what happened. Praying for a happy ending. Ours was. |
I agree. The situation described does not sound like a misunderstanding of directions at all but a 8th grader's solution for misplacing the correct calculator for the exam. She could have just as easily asked the teacher if it was *ok* to use the calculator she brought but instead decided to ask after the test (basically to cover herself). Compounded with the fact that this is not her first cheating offense, the school has every right to go with their standard administrative procedure (peer board). OP, you are not doing your DD any favors by making excuses for her especially when you insist that her issues are "mild" and does not require any accommodations until now when she's in trouble. |
Wow, I actually don't think that is likely at all, based on my experience working at a NYC private school. I think they will just impose the most severe penalty that the panel could have imposed, had she shown up for it. |
I thought you said that she definitely was not going in front of the panel. If she did, why would she disclose any information about her disability? Why wouldn't she just explain that that was the only calculator that she had, that she did not use the forbidden functions, and show the panel that she did not use the functions based upon the answers/info on her test that you say evidences that. |
Oh no, I think this is entirely likely. Especially if the school is tired of the child or the mother and wants to move them out. When OP and parents entered the school, they undoubtedly signed a "no forgery, no misuse of computer, no bullying, etc. etc. agreement". The children are also asked to sign to indicate their understanding of the zero tolerance rule for lying, cheating, etc. OP says she did her job by handing in copies of the IEP, but the school is not bound by it. Nor has she even talked to the Learning specialist in the school. So no program was in place to address OP's daughter's needs. Tragic situation, I realize, but I'm sure the school's rules are spelled out in the entry forms. I don't like the idea of a peer panel at all and have no idea what school this is, but I do thinking they are setting OP and daughter up to fail. That's why I asked earlier if OP felt targeted as a "difficult mom". It does happen - then all the teachers pile on and next thing you know, parents and child have left. Since the procedures were undoubtedly in the handbook and they signed the standard "no cheating" paperwork, then the next step is, according to what OP has said, is the panel. That is the school's procedure. I don't think it is right for this girl to have to go through this experience but them's the rules, I guess. This is why I have been advocating to OP (hope she's not a troll, I've wasted a lot of time trying to help out on this today) that she get out ASAP. Perhaps she can work out an agreement of confidentiality with the principal. If she hints that there is a negligence or malfeasance claim, i.e., the school dropped the ball on processing the info from the IEP or passing it along to the Learning Specialist or otherwise failed to meet the needs of the child,, then she might even get a refund. But if she doesn't show up, I think there is a strong probability that they will be expelled. Put yourself in the principal's shoes. You have taken a position. Mother and child failed to show up. What do you do? That's why I posted that she really needs to be prepared for an expulsion should that happen. I forgot when listing possible schools, the famous Lab school of Washington, http://www.labschool.org/landingpage?gclid=CNjR36n00rQCFVCd4AodKlAA3A. I have never set foot on it so can't tell OP anything about it although I thought it handled more severe disabilities than OP is describing. I'm sure there are many on this site who can fill in that info. |
Yes, I do agree that if the above is true, they may expel her. Otherwise, I think they will not. |
OP, I agree that your child should NOT have to reveal her LD to the peer review panel. But I am really not clear that her LD was the reason she thought it was OK to bring in the wrong calculator and just not use the forbidden functions. Honestly that is a mistake MANY 8th graders might make. They are still kids. They are young and can be foolish. If you decide that the LD IS relevant to the incident, I think the best you can do is write a letter to the principal, explaining that your daughter has an LD and that you do not think it is appropriate for her to have to reveal this fact to her peers, who are minors and not educational professionals. You expect the staff to keep her private details private and not let them get spread around through the school. You appreciate that the principal believes the minor children selected for peer review will be discrete, but as he or she well knows, kids are kids, and can be foolish, even the best, most mature of kids. I don't think you do have any rights, though, at a private school, beyond asking for compassion and understanding. It's a shame, but people choose private schools for many reasons and one of them is the fact that they DON'T have to follow the same rules public schools do. That works fine until it is your child who needs protection. |
I disagree. Private schools do not expel for simple stuff like this. I have experience with multiple private schools. |
I also have experience with multiple private schools, and it really depends on whether there were other issues or problems and whether the family was otherwise a good fit. |
Finally! I was reading this thread, wondering if no one else was going to point this out. This is not literal or linear thinking, this is not misunderstanding the instructions – this is an 8th grader forgetting the right calculator, and concocting a rationale for using the wrong one, knowing that it WAS the wrong one. Some other points: For those of you who say that the OP and her daughter are willing to accept the consequences of her actions, that’s just not true. The peer review panel is PART of the consequences. Whether you agree with it or not, (and while I don’t love it, I don’t think it’s the middle school equivalent of waterboarding that OP and some of the more hysterical PPs believe it to be), the school has determined that the peer panel is (i) part of the consequences for the offender, and (ii) a valuable learning tool for the rest of the students. Presumably OP knew about this beforehand; complaining about it now is absurd. OP, to suggest that the right to privacy regarding your daughter’s “condition” is implicated here is ridiculous. The panel won’t know a thing about her “issues” unless she chooses to disclose them. (Or unless you insist on making a federal case out of it.) Period. As another PP has said, she has a compelling story to tell: she forgot the correct calculator, she thought she’d be OK using the incorrect one if she didn't used the forbidden functions, she didn't use the forbidden functions (as evidenced by certain incorrect answers that would have been different if she HAD used the forbidden functions) – she may have made a mistake, but she didn't cheat. There’s no need to get into her “special needs” at all. The fact that your daughter will be nervous going in front of the peer review panel has no bearing on whether she should or not. All kids would be nervous. Your description of the lifelong scars you claim this would cause is pretty out there. Others may not feel this way, but you come across as a mother who wants to shield her daughter from the clearly laid-out consequences of her actions, which you both concede were violations of the rules for the test. Wouldn’t a better message be, “Honey, I know you misunderstood, but you broke the rules. This panel is part of the consequences. Let’s discuss how you’re going to explain your mistake.” Deciding on your own that she WILL NOT participate sends a terrible message to her. My 6 yo used to (and still does sometimes) believe that is she does something wrong, and says it’s an accident, that means it’s OK. That’s age appropriate behavior for her, but we have tried very hard to teach her that even though something is an accident, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have consequences. You’re doing a 13 yo no favors by telling her exactly the opposite – “well, since you misunderstood (which is BS, but whatever), you shouldn’t have to suffer the consequences of your actions that will suffer you distress.” |
You're a lawyer? I hope you never have to write a brief with page limits. Good grief. |
| And just what are you adding to the discussion 12:45? You repost stale long posts written when we were trying to help OP and thought she was in a public school. How does your offering in 12:45 in any way help OP? Reposting and then throwing in a snark does nothing to help the mom and adding further clutter to the site. |
21:59- I agree with your entire post. |