Extremely annoyed at carpool aid

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[Post New]12/20/2012 18:02
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:what is a carpool aide..?


It's a person that helps in the carpool line bringing the child and strapping them to their seats while the parents sit in the car in the carpool line.

It's much faster than all parents parking their cars, dragging young siblings inside and coming back to the car. Also safer because you don't have all 200 children running in the parking lot along with their siblings and distraught parents.


if parents knew how to handle their children they wouldnt be so distraught. But then that is another can of worms to be explored some day


Hey parenting expert, too bad not everybody on the face of the planet is as great as you. I'm glad the school recognizes what goes on in the REAL world and has a system in place to make sure everybody is safe no matter how great of a parent they turn out to be.
[Post New]12/20/2012 19:10
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP and former preschool teacher who worked a carpool lane for many years.

We buckle a LOT of children in, and for most people standing on the passenger side (standard usually for the carpool lane) it is easier to load in forward facing seats. One of the reasons is as the children get older they start to be able to climb into the seats themselves instead of having to be lifted. As a teacher it also helped to promote self-care/independence to climb into your own seat to get buckled.

I do not think this aid was right to give you attitude, or tell you what to do when it comes to your child. But I do have a lot of sympathy for anyone who works a carpool lane. In general they have more car-seat experience than you will ever have, they stand out in the cold/rain to receive and buckle your children safely- take the coats off for the moms that don't want their children to get to hot, leave the coats on for the moms who worry about their snowflake getting a cold.

I am not trying to excuse this women's poor behavior, but working the carpool lane was the worst part of being a teacher. Sometimes it was nice, families can be very friendly and understanding of the PTA job it is. I have been rear-ended while buckling and also been in some of the most disgusting smelling cars, but the worst is being made to feel like you are "the help" instead of someone who is helping your child to be safe.

The attitude that the OP has towards this women, I somehow think she has probably picked up on before now and could be adding tension, just my two cents...




kudos to you for having done the job. I couldn't deal with a bunch of self righteous women who all need to have it done their way or no way. OP, If the carpool aide isnt doing what you want, then get out and do it yourself. As I see it, a carpool line is a COURTESY and not a necessity. Our preschool did away with it. Now I am beginning to possibly see why


OP here. No it's not a courtesy, it's school's policy. And if you drive and want to do it yourself you have to park in another area and walk all the way around the building to pick up your child. I have a small infant and I'm not going to do it. Where we live we already have a foot of snow outside so the less I have to take my kids out the better.

Anyway, I doubt the PP is a teacher. English is my second language and I can see so many mistakes regarding grammar and spelling in her post, I doubt any school would have someone like that being responsible for teaching anything to any child in a classroom setting.

DC is in a Montessori program so she'll have plenty of time to practice independence. Hopping in the car on her own or not will not interfere with her learning process. I'd rather her to be alive in case we get into an ugly accident.

I don't usually have this kind of reaction but your post rubs me the wrong way. A person responsible for buckling children into their caresats should at least be aware of the most updated laws and regulations.


Careful, OP, your true colors are showing. And talk about ugly.
[Post New]12/20/2012 20:35
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP and former preschool teacher who worked a carpool lane for many years.

We buckle a LOT of children in, and for most people standing on the passenger side (standard usually for the carpool lane) it is easier to load in forward facing seats. One of the reasons is as the children get older they start to be able to climb into the seats themselves instead of having to be lifted. As a teacher it also helped to promote self-care/independence to climb into your own seat to get buckled.

I do not think this aid was right to give you attitude, or tell you what to do when it comes to your child. But I do have a lot of sympathy for anyone who works a carpool lane. In general they have more car-seat experience than you will ever have, they stand out in the cold/rain to receive and buckle your children safely- take the coats off for the moms that don't want their children to get to hot, leave the coats on for the moms who worry about their snowflake getting a cold.

I am not trying to excuse this women's poor behavior, but working the carpool lane was the worst part of being a teacher. Sometimes it was nice, families can be very friendly and understanding of the PTA job it is. I have been rear-ended while buckling and also been in some of the most disgusting smelling cars, but the worst is being made to feel like you are "the help" instead of someone who is helping your child to be safe.

The attitude that the OP has towards this women, I somehow think she has probably picked up on before now and could be adding tension, just my two cents...




kudos to you for having done the job. I couldn't deal with a bunch of self righteous women who all need to have it done their way or no way. OP, If the carpool aide isnt doing what you want, then get out and do it yourself. As I see it, a carpool line is a COURTESY and not a necessity. Our preschool did away with it. Now I am beginning to possibly see why


OP here. No it's not a courtesy, it's school's policy. And if you drive and want to do it yourself you have to park in another area and walk all the way around the building to pick up your child. I have a small infant and I'm not going to do it. Where we live we already have a foot of snow outside so the less I have to take my kids out the better.

Anyway, I doubt the PP is a teacher. English is my second language and I can see so many mistakes regarding grammar and spelling in her post, I doubt any school would have someone like that being responsible for teaching anything to any child in a classroom setting.

DC is in a Montessori program so she'll have plenty of time to practice independence. Hopping in the car on her own or not will not interfere with her learning process. I'd rather her to be alive in case we get into an ugly accident.

I don't usually have this kind of reaction but your post rubs me the wrong way. A person responsible for buckling children into their caresats should at least be aware of the most updated laws and regulations.


OP, I had some sympathy for you up until this point. If as you say English is your second language, perhaps you didn't learn it very well--the PP's post was one of the LEAST offensive I've seen in terms of grammar and spelling. I'm a professional copyeditor and nothing jumped out at me, even on a second read through, as particularly egregious. However, she was very graciously trying to not only support your initial ire, but also give you a little insight into the other side of the interaction. Perhaps you should take her advice and be a little more polite to the people you interact with in your daily life. Rudeness does not deserve rudeness in return.
[Post New]12/20/2012 20:50
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:NP and former preschool teacher who worked a carpool lane for many years.

We buckle a LOT of children in, and for most people standing on the passenger side (standard usually for the carpool lane) it is easier to load in forward facing seats. One of the reasons is as the children get older they start to be able to climb into the seats themselves instead of having to be lifted. As a teacher it also helped to promote self-care/independence to climb into your own seat to get buckled.

I do not think this aid was right to give you attitude, or tell you what to do when it comes to your child. But I do have a lot of sympathy for anyone who works a carpool lane. In general they have more car-seat experience than you will ever have, they stand out in the cold/rain to receive and buckle your children safely- take the coats off for the moms that don't want their children to get to hot, leave the coats on for the moms who worry about their snowflake getting a cold.

I am not trying to excuse this women's poor behavior, but working the carpool lane was the worst part of being a teacher. Sometimes it was nice, families can be very friendly and understanding of the PTA job it is. I have been rear-ended while buckling and also been in some of the most disgusting smelling cars, but the worst is being made to feel like you are "the help" instead of someone who is helping your child to be safe.

The attitude that the OP has towards this women, I somehow think she has probably picked up on before now and could be adding tension, just my two cents...



I get it is a crummy job but it is part of the job. I understand wanting to promote independence but not at the expense of safety. My child can climb in/out of some of his rf seats, but not others. I don't want my child learning to buckle himself as he could easily undo it driving. I've had that happen to several friends. There needs to be a delicate balance and if teachers don't support rf, then they need to allow parents easy pick up access or have someone who is capable of buckling all seats/FF and RF. Personally, I would not allow someone else to buckle in my child as often things are not done correctly so for us, its a non-issue. You have your child take off their coat as it is a safety issue with the car seats (I send a different coat to school than what he wears in the car and they have no issue with it).

OP in this situation is right. I would not have made such a big deal about it as people have the right to their own opinions but when it comes to safety, mine and my husband's are the only ones that count in our home or cars for our child. If someone does not want their child RF, then fine. But, don't encourage someone not to do it because it is far safer to RF to a minimum of 3-4. I can't imagine turing a child under 3.
[Post New]12/20/2012 22:37
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP and former preschool teacher who worked a carpool lane for many years.

We buckle a LOT of children in, and for most people standing on the passenger side (standard usually for the carpool lane) it is easier to load in forward facing seats. One of the reasons is as the children get older they start to be able to climb into the seats themselves instead of having to be lifted. As a teacher it also helped to promote self-care/independence to climb into your own seat to get buckled.

I do not think this aid was right to give you attitude, or tell you what to do when it comes to your child. But I do have a lot of sympathy for anyone who works a carpool lane. In general they have more car-seat experience than you will ever have, they stand out in the cold/rain to receive and buckle your children safely- take the coats off for the moms that don't want their children to get to hot, leave the coats on for the moms who worry about their snowflake getting a cold.

I am not trying to excuse this women's poor behavior, but working the carpool lane was the worst part of being a teacher. Sometimes it was nice, families can be very friendly and understanding of the PTA job it is. I have been rear-ended while buckling and also been in some of the most disgusting smelling cars, but the worst is being made to feel like you are "the help" instead of someone who is helping your child to be safe.

The attitude that the OP has towards this women, I somehow think she has probably picked up on before now and could be adding tension, just my two cents...




kudos to you for having done the job. I couldn't deal with a bunch of self righteous women who all need to have it done their way or no way. OP, If the carpool aide isnt doing what you want, then get out and do it yourself. As I see it, a carpool line is a COURTESY and not a necessity. Our preschool did away with it. Now I am beginning to possibly see why


OP here. No it's not a courtesy, it's school's policy. And if you drive and want to do it yourself you have to park in another area and walk all the way around the building to pick up your child. I have a small infant and I'm not going to do it. Where we live we already have a foot of snow outside so the less I have to take my kids out the better.

Anyway, I doubt the PP is a teacher. English is my second language and I can see so many mistakes regarding grammar and spelling in her post, I doubt any school would have someone like that being responsible for teaching anything to any child in a classroom setting.

DC is in a Montessori program so she'll have plenty of time to practice independence. Hopping in the car on her own or not will not interfere with her learning process. I'd rather her to be alive in case we get into an ugly accident.

I don't usually have this kind of reaction but your post rubs me the wrong way. A person responsible for buckling children into their caresats should at least be aware of the most updated laws and regulations.


OP, I had some sympathy for you up until this point. If as you say English is your second language, perhaps you didn't learn it very well--the PP's post was one of the LEAST offensive I've seen in terms of grammar and spelling. I'm a professional copyeditor and nothing jumped out at me, even on a second read through, as particularly egregious. However, she was very graciously trying to not only support your initial ire, but also give you a little insight into the other side of the interaction. Perhaps you should take her advice and be a little more polite to the people you interact with in your daily life. Rudeness does not deserve rudeness in return.



I didn't see anything in the teachers post either that was badly written. To each his own, the person in the carpool line criticized your beliefs. Oh well, get over it. Majority of people put there kids in FF, I have never seen any of my friends or kids at my little ones school placed RF. And if you are offered a choice between going inside to pick up snowflake or going through the line, then yes, it is a COURTESY as I said it before.
[Post New]12/20/2012 22:46
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP and former preschool teacher who worked a carpool lane for many years.

We buckle a LOT of children in, and for most people standing on the passenger side (standard usually for the carpool lane) it is easier to load in forward facing seats. One of the reasons is as the children get older they start to be able to climb into the seats themselves instead of having to be lifted. As a teacher it also helped to promote self-care/independence to climb into your own seat to get buckled.

I do not think this aid was right to give you attitude, or tell you what to do when it comes to your child. But I do have a lot of sympathy for anyone who works a carpool lane. In general they have more car-seat experience than you will ever have, they stand out in the cold/rain to receive and buckle your children safely- take the coats off for the moms that don't want their children to get to hot, leave the coats on for the moms who worry about their snowflake getting a cold.

I am not trying to excuse this women's poor behavior, but working the carpool lane was the worst part of being a teacher. Sometimes it was nice, families can be very friendly and understanding of the PTA job it is. I have been rear-ended while buckling and also been in some of the most disgusting smelling cars, but the worst is being made to feel like you are "the help" instead of someone who is helping your child to be safe.

The attitude that the OP has towards this women, I somehow think she has probably picked up on before now and could be adding tension, just my two cents...




kudos to you for having done the job. I couldn't deal with a bunch of self righteous women who all need to have it done their way or no way. OP, If the carpool aide isnt doing what you want, then get out and do it yourself. As I see it, a carpool line is a COURTESY and not a necessity. Our preschool did away with it. Now I am beginning to possibly see why


OP here. No it's not a courtesy, it's school's policy. And if you drive and want to do it yourself you have to park in another area and walk all the way around the building to pick up your child. I have a small infant and I'm not going to do it. Where we live we already have a foot of snow outside so the less I have to take my kids out the better.

Anyway, I doubt the PP is a teacher. English is my second language and I can see so many mistakes regarding grammar and spelling in her post, I doubt any school would have someone like that being responsible for teaching anything to any child in a classroom setting.

DC is in a Montessori program so she'll have plenty of time to practice independence. Hopping in the car on her own or not will not interfere with her learning process. I'd rather her to be alive in case we get into an ugly accident.

I don't usually have this kind of reaction but your post rubs me the wrong way. A person responsible for buckling children into their caresats should at least be aware of the most updated laws and regulations.


OP, I had some sympathy for you up until this point. If as you say English is your second language, perhaps you didn't learn it very well--the PP's post was one of the LEAST offensive I've seen in terms of grammar and spelling. I'm a professional copyeditor and nothing jumped out at me, even on a second read through, as particularly egregious. However, she was very graciously trying to not only support your initial ire, but also give you a little insight into the other side of the interaction. Perhaps you should take her advice and be a little more polite to the people you interact with in your daily life. Rudeness does not deserve rudeness in return.



I didn't see anything in the teachers post either that was badly written. To each his own, the person in the carpool line criticized your beliefs. Oh well, get over it. Majority of people put there kids in FF, I have never seen any of my friends or kids at my little ones school placed RF. And if you are offered a choice between going inside to pick up snowflake or going through the line, then yes, it is a COURTESY as I said it before.


I don't know why you're insisting. As I said before it's not courtesy. It's how their system works. They extremely discourage (WW?) us from going on foot and the process is quite painful. We need to enter through a back door, we have to be buzzed in and show ID to enter the building because it's a receptionist who lets people in. The carpool with tags is how we're supposed to do and since there are several lines of cars we're not allowed to step out of the car to do the buckling ourselves. Often times I have to turn around and park right outside the school lot to fix the straps or the chest clip.

[Post New]12/20/2012 22:55
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
OP here. No it's not a courtesy, it's school's policy. And if you drive and want to do it yourself you have to park in another area and walk all the way around the building to pick up your child. I have a small infant and I'm not going to do it. Where we live we already have a foot of snow outside so the less I have to take my kids out the better.


Does OP even live on the DC area? A foot of snow?
[Post New]12/20/2012 22:55
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

OP here. No it's not a courtesy, it's school's policy. And if you drive and want to do it yourself you have to park in another area and walk all the way around the building to pick up your child. I have a small infant and I'm not going to do it. Where we live we already have a foot of snow outside so the less I have to take my kids out the better.

Anyway, I doubt the PP is a teacher. English is my second language and I can see so many mistakes regarding grammar and spelling in her post, I doubt any school would have someone like that being responsible for teaching anything to any child in a classroom setting.

DC is in a Montessori program so she'll have plenty of time to practice independence. Hopping in the car on her own or not will not interfere with her learning process. I'd rather her to be alive in case we get into an ugly accident.

I don't usually have this kind of reaction but your post rubs me the wrong way. A person responsible for buckling children into their caresats should at least be aware of the most updated laws and regulations.


This is an aid. Do you want her educated on the lastest on Montessori? First Aid? Security policies? who is allowed to pick up which child on which day? Plastics? GMO? Administering an epi pen if needed? etc etc etc

Regarding it not being a courtsy / school policy - our school also has kiss and drop - but there are specific requirements that you as the driver need to follow to use that line. Your child needs to be in a carseat on the right hand side. Must be FF. And bags must be ready to get out.

If you have decided to do something else- the school is not telling you to change. They are just saying that it is not within the rules provided for using the kiss and drop lane and you need to park and walk your child in.

[Post New]12/20/2012 22:56
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Anonymous
***in*** the DC area!
[Post New]12/20/2012 23:52
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
OP here. No it's not a courtesy, it's school's policy. And if you drive and want to do it yourself you have to park in another area and walk all the way around the building to pick up your child. I have a small infant and I'm not going to do it. Where we live we already have a foot of snow outside so the less I have to take my kids out the better.


Does OP even live on the DC area? A foot of snow?


OP is chipotle lady. She does not live in the DC area.
[Post New]12/21/2012 00:45
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
OP here. No it's not a courtesy, it's school's policy. And if you drive and want to do it yourself you have to park in another area and walk all the way around the building to pick up your child. I have a small infant and I'm not going to do it. Where we live we already have a foot of snow outside so the less I have to take my kids out the better.


Does OP even live on the DC area? A foot of snow?


OP is chipotle lady. She does not live in the DC area.


Ugh. I should have figured it when she wrote about Montessori school and baby sibling. No wonder the nutty tone sounded familiar.
[Post New]12/21/2012 01:00
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP and former preschool teacher who worked a carpool lane for many years.

We buckle a LOT of children in, and for most people standing on the passenger side (standard usually for the carpool lane) it is easier to load in forward facing seats. One of the reasons is as the children get older they start to be able to climb into the seats themselves instead of having to be lifted. As a teacher it also helped to promote self-care/independence to climb into your own seat to get buckled.

I do not think this aid was right to give you attitude, or tell you what to do when it comes to your child. But I do have a lot of sympathy for anyone who works a carpool lane. In general they have more car-seat experience than you will ever have, they stand out in the cold/rain to receive and buckle your children safely- take the coats off for the moms that don't want their children to get to hot, leave the coats on for the moms who worry about their snowflake getting a cold.

I am not trying to excuse this women's poor behavior, but working the carpool lane was the worst part of being a teacher. Sometimes it was nice, families can be very friendly and understanding of the PTA job it is. I have been rear-ended while buckling and also been in some of the most disgusting smelling cars, but the worst is being made to feel like you are "the help" instead of someone who is helping your child to be safe.

The attitude that the OP has towards this women, I somehow think she has probably picked up on before now and could be adding tension, just my two cents...




kudos to you for having done the job. I couldn't deal with a bunch of self righteous women who all need to have it done their way or no way. OP, If the carpool aide isnt doing what you want, then get out and do it yourself. As I see it, a carpool line is a COURTESY and not a necessity. Our preschool did away with it. Now I am beginning to possibly see why


OP here. No it's not a courtesy, it's school's policy. And if you drive and want to do it yourself you have to park in another area and walk all the way around the building to pick up your child. I have a small infant and I'm not going to do it. Where we live we already have a foot of snow outside so the less I have to take my kids out the better.

Anyway, I doubt the PP is a teacher. English is my second language and I can see so many mistakes regarding grammar and spelling in her post, I doubt any school would have someone like that being responsible for teaching anything to any child in a classroom setting.

DC is in a Montessori program so she'll have plenty of time to practice independence. Hopping in the car on her own or not will not interfere with her learning process. I'd rather her to be alive in case we get into an ugly accident.

I don't usually have this kind of reaction but your post rubs me the wrong way. A person responsible for buckling children into their caresats should at least be aware of the most updated laws and regulations.


OP, I had some sympathy for you up until this point. If as you say English is your second language, perhaps you didn't learn it very well--the PP's post was one of the LEAST offensive I've seen in terms of grammar and spelling. I'm a professional copyeditor and nothing jumped out at me, even on a second read through, as particularly egregious. However, she was very graciously trying to not only support your initial ire, but also give you a little insight into the other side of the interaction. Perhaps you should take her advice and be a little more polite to the people you interact with in your daily life. Rudeness does not deserve rudeness in return.



I didn't see anything in the teachers post either that was badly written. To each his own, the person in the carpool line criticized your beliefs. Oh well, get over it. Majority of people put there kids in FF, I have never seen any of my friends or kids at my little ones school placed RF. And if you are offered a choice between going inside to pick up snowflake or going through the line, then yes, it is a COURTESY as I said it before.


I don't know why you're insisting. As I said before it's not courtesy. It's how their system works. They extremely discourage (WW?) us from going on foot and the process is quite painful. We need to enter through a back door, we have to be buzzed in and show ID to enter the building because it's a receptionist who lets people in. The carpool with tags is how we're supposed to do and since there are several lines of cars we're not allowed to step out of the car to do the buckling ourselves. Often times I have to turn around and park right outside the school lot to fix the straps or the chest clip.



Quite painful. Ouch, ouch, stop, stop!
[Post New]12/21/2012 01:09
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ehhhh...my 5 year old who is 36inches and 30lbs who is still rearfacing...

I don't really care if its popular. You can't fix dead and my son is way safer rearfacing.


You have a five-year-old child facing backwards?!?!?! How does he/she go on playdates in other people's cars?

I've got three children in different schools and I've never, ever heard of or seen a five-year-old facing backwards. That is definitely unusual. Most five-year-olds in NW DC are in booster seats.


Well. Not if they are dwarfs. Dwarf children. It happens.
[Post New]12/21/2012 01:13
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Exception message was already printed; see it above ...] at freemarker.core.InvalidReferenceException.getInstance(InvalidReferenceException.java:131) at freemarker.core.EvalUtil.coerceModelToString(EvalUtil.java:355) at freemarker.core.Expression.evalAndCoerceToString(Expression.java:82) at freemarker.core.DollarVariable.accept(DollarVariable.java:41) at freemarker.core.Environment.visit(Environment.java:324) at freemarker.core.MixedContent.accept(MixedContent.java:54) at freemarker.core.Environment.visitByHiddingParent(Environment.java:345) at freemarker.core.ConditionalBlock.accept(ConditionalBlock.java:48) at freemarker.core.Environment.visitByHiddingParent(Environment.java:345) at freemarker.core.IfBlock.accept(IfBlock.java:48) at freemarker.core.Environment.visit(Environment.java:324) at freemarker.core.MixedContent.accept(MixedContent.java:54) at freemarker.core.Environment.visitByHiddingParent(Environment.java:345) at freemarker.core.ConditionalBlock.accept(ConditionalBlock.java:48) at freemarker.core.Environment.visit(Environment.java:324) at freemarker.core.MixedContent.accept(MixedContent.java:54) at freemarker.core.Environment.visit(Environment.java:324) at freemarker.core.Environment.include(Environment.java:2072) at freemarker.core.Include.accept(Include.java:167) at freemarker.core.Environment.visit(Environment.java:324) at freemarker.core.MixedContent.accept(MixedContent.java:54) at freemarker.core.Environment.visitByHiddingParent(Environment.java:345) at freemarker.core.IteratorBlock$IterationContext.executeNestedBlockInner(IteratorBlock.java:240) at freemarker.core.IteratorBlock$IterationContext.executeNestedBlock(IteratorBlock.java:220) at freemarker.core.IteratorBlock$IterationContext.accept(IteratorBlock.java:194) at freemarker.core.Environment.visitIteratorBlock(Environment.java:572) at freemarker.core.IteratorBlock.acceptWithResult(IteratorBlock.java:78) at freemarker.core.IteratorBlock.accept(IteratorBlock.java:64) at freemarker.core.Environment.visit(Environment.java:324) at freemarker.core.MixedContent.accept(MixedContent.java:54) at freemarker.core.Environment.visit(Environment.java:324) at freemarker.core.Environment.process(Environment.java:302) at freemarker.template.Template.process(Template.java:325) at net.jforum.JForum.processCommand(JForum.java:233) at net.jforum.JForum.service(JForum.java:200) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:623) at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:210) at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:154) at org.apache.tomcat.websocket.server.WsFilter.doFilter(WsFilter.java:51) at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:179) at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:154) at net.jforum.util.legacy.clickstream.ClickstreamFilter.doFilter(ClickstreamFilter.java:59) at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:179) at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:154) at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:168) at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:90) at org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(AuthenticatorBase.java:481) at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:130) at org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:93) at org.apache.catalina.valves.AbstractAccessLogValve.invoke(AbstractAccessLogValve.java:670) at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:74) at org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:346) at org.apache.coyote.ajp.AjpProcessor.service(AjpProcessor.java:424) at org.apache.coyote.AbstractProcessorLight.process(AbstractProcessorLight.java:63) at org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol$ConnectionHandler.process(AbstractProtocol.java:928) at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.NioEndpoint$SocketProcessor.doRun(NioEndpoint.java:1786) at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.SocketProcessorBase.run(SocketProcessorBase.java:52) at org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1191) at org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:659) at org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.TaskThread$WrappingRunnable.run(TaskThread.java:63) at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:840) Extremely annoyed at carpool aid

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The following has evaluated to null or missing:
== avatarMaxHeight  [in template "default/post_show_user_inc.htm" at line 22, column 109]

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Tip: If the failing expression is known to be legally refer to something that's sometimes null or missing, either specify a default value like myOptionalVar!myDefault, or use #if myOptionalVar??when-present#elsewhen-missing/#if. (These only cover the last step of the expression; to cover the whole expression, use parenthesis: (myOptionalVar.foo)!myDefault, (myOptionalVar.foo)??
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FTL stack trace ("~" means nesting-related):
	- Failed at: ${avatarMaxHeight}  [in template "default/post_show_user_inc.htm" at line 22, column 107]
	- Reached through: #include "post_show_user_inc.htm"  [in template "default/post_show.htm" at line 105, column 33]
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