Reporting almost live from the YY application line...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and I'm assuming you would have NO problem being late for work yourself because your nanny was standing on line or showing up at your kids' current school to find the teacher was out standing on line. DH is very committed to being in the classroom as much as possible; I hope your kids' teachers are as well.

What kind of school does your DH teach at? In DC public schools, when a teacher calls in sick, there is a substitute. Children aren't left to their own resources without a qualified teacher. Why insist on the drama when there is none? Are you telling me that you never had a substitute teacher in your life? Or are you determined to grind this argument into the dust even though you are unconvincing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and I'm assuming you would have NO problem being late for work yourself because your nanny was standing on line or showing up at your kids' current school to find the teacher was out standing on line. DH is very committed to being in the classroom as much as possible; I hope your kids' teachers are as well.

Uh yeah, Nannys get sick suddenly, have deaths in the family, dentist's appointments, and jury duty just like everyone else. What do you think happens?

[Anonymous]

[quote]I absolutely, positively know of an applicant who is part ethnic Chinese, part other things. Not bilingual. And his Chinese parent is working to game the system and assure admittance. That is, working connections, ingratiating the administration. Offering favors, which is very Chinese if you know how politics is played on the mainland.

Does this rankle you? It does me and I have no direct contact with dc schools.


No, it doesn't "rankle" me at all.

Accusations are not the same thing as proof. Perhaps you are not familiar with the concepts of evidence and due process?

Let's try this again. I. have. absolute. proof this is happening. I am not "accusing" this parent of gaming the system. The parent is proudly telling anyone who will listen that parent is unapologetically taking action to get around the lottery+waitlist structure. This involves current employees of YY.

I guess you don't find this distasteful. Hey -- Maybe you are this parent yourself??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Smells like a troll to me too. Since the form doesn't ask if you speak Chinese and I didn't hear of the online app having the option of filling it out in Chinese, they are clearly not surveying for that info so doubtful it is being considered.

Not to mention it was raised I think by staff themselves at the Open House as one of the rumors or questions they get that wasn't true. (Maybe someone just asked, I can't remember but it did get raised and addressed very definitively).

People. I absolutely, positively know of an applicant who is part ethnic Chinese, part other things. Not bilingual. And his Chinese parent is working to game the system and assure admittance. That is, working connections, ingratiating the administration. Offering favors, which is very Chinese if you know how politics is played on the mainland.

Does this rankle you? It does me and I have no direct contact with dc schools.

You should get together with one of the other YY trolls, who think that YY isn't Chinese enough. That PP would complain that the Chinese way of gaming the system should work and YY sucks because it doesn't. On second hand, maybe you shouldn't since if you came into contact the universe would probably explode.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[quote]I absolutely, positively know of an applicant who is part ethnic Chinese, part other things. Not bilingual. And his Chinese parent is working to game the system and assure admittance. That is, working connections, ingratiating the administration. Offering favors, which is very Chinese if you know how politics is played on the mainland.

Does this rankle you? It does me and I have no direct contact with dc schools.

No, it doesn't "rankle" me at all.

Accusations are not the same thing as proof. Perhaps you are not familiar with the concepts of evidence and due process?

Let's try this again. I. have. absolute. proof this is happening. I am not "accusing" this parent of gaming the system. The parent is proudly telling anyone who will listen that parent is unapologetically taking action to get around the lottery+waitlist structure. This involves current employees of YY.

I guess you don't find this distasteful. Hey -- Maybe you are this parent yourself??

So name names.

The only way I can think of to game the system is to work for the school -- is the person an employee?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[quote]I absolutely, positively know of an applicant who is part ethnic Chinese, part other things. Not bilingual. And his Chinese parent is working to game the system and assure admittance. That is, working connections, ingratiating the administration. Offering favors, which is very Chinese if you know how politics is played on the mainland.

Does this rankle you? It does me and I have no direct contact with dc schools.


No, it doesn't "rankle" me at all.

Accusations are not the same thing as proof. Perhaps you are not familiar with the concepts of evidence and due process?

Let's try this again. I. have. absolute. proof this is happening. I am not "accusing" this parent of gaming the system. The parent is proudly telling anyone who will listen that parent is unapologetically taking action to get around the lottery+waitlist structure. This involves current employees of YY.

I guess you don't find this distasteful. Hey -- Maybe you are this parent yourself??

You might find this difficult to believe, but just because you scream on the internet that you "have. absolute. proof" doesn't mean you've actually proven anything. Impossible as it might sound, people have been known to lie, both to their friends, and to the interwebs. If you are prepared to present this "absolute. proof" for the rest of us to weigh, then that might be meaningful. Otherwise, for all we know you have "absolute. proof" that you are Napoleon Bonaparte.

[Anonymous]

I am not a troll @ 23:45. (you can probably refresh your memory as to the definition of a "troll;" hint, it's not "someone who disagrees with you or says something bad about your school.")

I am not a Yu Ying PCS hater, either. I am just grossed out by this parent. And, since it's 200% clear that many of you care deeply about landing a spot in this school, I thought you might want to know that one of "your" spots won't go to you, the rightful recipient in line at 7 am. It will instead go to the partially Chinese kid who is not a heritage speaker and differs very little from your children except in his physical appearance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not a troll @ 23:45. (you can probably refresh your memory as to the definition of a "troll;" hint, it's not "someone who disagrees with you or says something bad about your school.")

I am not a Yu Ying PCS hater, either. I am just grossed out by this parent. And, since it's 200% clear that many of you care deeply about landing a spot in this school, I thought you might want to know that one of "your" spots won't go to you, the rightful recipient in line at 7 am. It will instead go to the partially Chinese kid who is not a heritage speaker and differs very little from your children except in his physical appearance.

How are we to know this isn't a trollish accusation? Can you provide "absolute. proof"?

[Anonymous]

You might find this difficult to believe, but just because you scream on the internet that you "have. absolute. proof" doesn't mean you've actually proven anything.

I don't have to prove anything to you to make it true. You understand this, right? You can completely refuse to believe me and yet, what I am saying can still be fact. I can't, however, state the name of this parent on DCUM. At a minimum, Jeff would pull the post.

I'm trying to decide whether you are employed by the school, an existing parent at the school here to defend its honor, or (least likely) a hopeful applicant who also stands to gain due to some amount of Chinese ethnicity in your family.

[Anonymous]

Hey, 23:48 and 23:50, this is 23:54, and I challenge you to out-funny me in our ridicule of the 200%-sure poster that anything on the internet is true.

[Anonymous]

How are we to know this isn't a trollish accusation? Can you provide "absolute. proof"?

No, I can't say the name of this parent here. But I posted on this thread to give a heads up to the hundreds of YY hopefuls that all is not transparent. That certain people have been assured that the standard lottery/waitlist process will not apply to them.

If you would like to confirm this for yourselves, which is only right, then follow up with the administration and track the waitlist process, yourself. Signing off now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You might find this difficult to believe, but just because you scream on the internet that you "have. absolute. proof" doesn't mean you've actually proven anything.

I don't have to prove anything to you to make it true. You understand this, right? You can completely refuse to believe me and yet, what I am saying can still be fact. I can't, however, state the name of this parent on DCUM. At a minimum, Jeff would pull the post.

I'm trying to decide whether you are employed by the school, an existing parent at the school here to defend its honor, or (least likely) a hopeful applicant who also stands to gain due to some amount of Chinese ethnicity in your family.

Yes, you do. And no, I don't.

Most importantly, I am convinced you do not understand the difference between accusation and proof by preponderance of evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No the problem is that those of you who think it's not a huge hardship to be out there in line (and I would be in that camp for my personal life -- could totally do it if necessary), don't have jobs in which you would lose your job if you were at YY at 8 am rather than at work. Jobs at which you are not at a computer. So it automatically locks out a whole group of people in this city. People who don't work at a desk, cannot be sitting home in their jammies at 8 am, can't miss work to stand on line. People who don't have internet access and have to go to the library to use computers there. These people do not necessarily care any less about their kids' education than those who were on the line this am and online, but they simply cannot make what you all did happen. It's sad that so many of you don't seem to realize this. What kinds of jobs do you think the people on FARMS have? It doesn't even have to be people who make low salaries. How is the cashier at the grocery, the person at the counter at McD's, the garbage man, the nurse, the surgeon, the police officer, the TEACHER, etc. etc. going to do this. My DH is a teacher and he's in the classroom teaching by 8 am every day. With students in front of him. I have a serious problem with YY choosing this method and an even more serious problem with people implying that if you care about your child's education, you can figure out a way to get your application in during those first 10 minutes. Washington Latin seems to be doing away with the waited waitlist idea for this year and I think YY should as well.

I don't have any interest in the school and my kids are past the age anyway, but these kinds of things in public schools drive me crazy. They are supposed to be open to ALL, regardless of your work schedule.

Yawn.

Family care act (FMLA). Sick day. A "dentist appointment." A friend or family member who owes you a favor. A babysitter. Your faux indignation and outrage is not convincing.

Never mind, just never mind. And honestly (speaking just for myself, I don't know about the other couple of posters I agree with) my very real indignation is not at all about convincing someone like you who doesn't read the posts even half way before dismissing them. It's expressed for those who never considered that not everyone has jobs or family/support options like they do and for whom that might be a new consideration.

But your verite cluelessness is convincing...me to go to bed and leave this point alone.

If your child is having a medical emergency, can you get him to an ER or does he die in his bed?

If your answer is that you can get him to an ER, then you can use the same supports to get yourself into a line for a couple of hours for one day in your life.

If you can't, and you're going with the "die in bed" choice, then something tells me you've got bigger issues than how to inch up on some charter school waitlist line.

Y'all are too funny! Talk about issues... I never realized there are so many reading-challenged posters here.

It was interesting, when I spoke to the Enrollment staff at a few other charters (including EL Haynes) while trying to figure out for myself which schools had which processes, they really sounded like they didn't know some schools did this with the wait list because they told me they weren't aware of any schools doing it and launched into why that would be unfair and defeat some of the whole accessibility point. (& yes they were clear we were talking about wait list and not lottery). I found it nice how doubtful they truly sounded that anyone would actually weight the waitlist like YY and Stokes. i never named schools (@the time I didnt know they were allowed to choose this option and was just trying to get school-specific app info, not get anyone in trouble) but I liked how indignant some of the other popular charters got at this idea.

[Anonymous]

I forgot to apply online earlier! Thanks for posting this, as I just submitted online for YY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

How are we to know this isn't a trollish accusation? Can you provide "absolute. proof"?

No, I can't say the name of this parent here. But I posted on this thread to give a heads up to the hundreds of YY hopefuls that all is not transparent. That certain people have been assured that the standard lottery/waitlist process will not apply to them.

If you would like to confirm this for yourselves, which is only right, then follow up with the administration and track the waitlist process, yourself. Signing off now.

I called the school to follow up with the Administration. I told them they were busted, pulled off their masks to reveal it was Mr. Johnson from the creepy boat dock who was unfairly promising admission, and they said "Aaw shucks you busted us! And if it wasn't for the always-true Internet and you pesky kids, we would have gotten away with it too!"

Problem solved. Your lottery and wait list positions are now safe again. Scooby snack time!