I’m "closet" anti-LBGT

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Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

What about interfaith marriage?

I would still say that interfaith marriage is not comparable to racism and segregation based on skin color. You can hide your religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

What about interfaith marriage?

I would still say that interfaith marriage is not comparable to racism and segregation based on skin color. You can hide your religion.

Would you have a problem if a state decided to ban interfaith marriages?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:its a choice. it is trendy now to be lesbian, kissing other girls, whatever. fine with me, but don't pretend it is some ingrained "wiring" when in many cases (not all) it is just experimental.

a previous pp made this point. Why would anyone freely choose to be considered the "failure" of society? Who would willing sign up for such punishment?

I guess my 15y relationship has just been one big trendy experiement. 'Cause you know there is nothing more fun than your own father calling you a 'disgusting piece of $hit who will never amount to anything" (nevermind the college degrees/jobs) because I love a woman. Yep. Fun and trendy. That's me.

PP, stories like yours break my heart. I know of families who have cut off their kids due to sexual orientation; I think if you're not capable of unconditional love you really shouldn't have kids to begin with. I've already told my husband that if any of my kids' friends are in that situation we are taking them in...no one needs to grow up like that.

i will say that after about 5-6y my father did kind of come around. though during the time we were estranged he missed my wedding (yes, I consider myself married even if the state doesn't) and the birth of our first child. He is now involved, though it is kind of the topic that no one ever talks about (not about my being gay, per se but about his feelings/his reaction/etc.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

What about interfaith marriage?

I would still say that interfaith marriage is not comparable to racism and segregation based on skin color. You can hide your religion.

Would you have a problem if a state decided to ban interfaith marriages?

If states banned interfaith marriage it would still not be comparable to lynchings, racism, or segregated facilities. There would still be many places to retreat to for interfaith marriage. I do not think that those discriminated against based on race could easily leave the country and not face similar discrimination. There is racism in many countries, there was a thread about racism in Spain recently in the travel forum. It would still be easier for an interfaith couple to be accepted in Spain for instance. Just one country out of many with color complexes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

being in the closet is not the point. The point is society denying people rights because of their race/gender/sexual orientation. Essentially saying to them, "you are not doing anything wrong, we just don't like your kind"

In the eyes of most Americans, would they say it is easier to be a gay white man in America or a black man of any sexual orientation in this country? I still believe that the gay or straight white man would be given the advantages. There are many people of all races that would lock their doors or cross the street if a Black man approached even if he was a gay Black man. I believe these issues are larger than sexual orientation discrimination.

Yeah maybe it's "easier" to be black in 2012. Ask that same question circa 1700-1970 and you'd find varying degrees of dissenting opinions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

What about interfaith marriage?

I would still say that interfaith marriage is not comparable to racism and segregation based on skin color. You can hide your religion.

Would you have a problem if a state decided to ban interfaith marriages?

If states banned interfaith marriage it would still not be comparable to lynchings, racism, or segregated facilities. There would still be many places to retreat to for interfaith marriage. I do not think that those discriminated against based on race could easily leave the country and not face similar discrimination. There is racism in many countries, there was a thread about racism in Spain recently in the travel forum. It would still be easier for an interfaith couple to be accepted in Spain for instance. Just one country out of many with color complexes.

I'm not getting your point here. Are you saying gays should just shut up and be grateful that they have a "closet"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

being in the closet is not the point. The point is society denying people rights because of their race/gender/sexual orientation. Essentially saying to them, "you are not doing anything wrong, we just don't like your kind"

In the eyes of most Americans, would they say it is easier to be a gay white man in America or a black man of any sexual orientation in this country? I still believe that the gay or straight white man would be given the advantages. There are many people of all races that would lock their doors or cross the street if a Black man approached even if he was a gay Black man. I believe these issues are larger than sexual orientation discrimination.

Agree 106%.

[Anonymous]

One day most likely you will find that someone you love dearly is gay--a child, a sibling, perhaps a best friend--and you will hopefully find it in your heart to let them be who are they meant to be. We knew my littlest brother was "different" at the age of 6 (we didn't want to steer him one way or other but many many clues were there)! He is an adult now and very out of the closet, no surprise; completely blindsided by other brother coming out of the closet soon after (he was a boy's boy). But both are happier now, not pretending to be what they are not. Wishing you peace on your path to acceptance.

[Anonymous]

10:31, why is it a competition?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP I find your post very very strange. Your BEST FRIEND is gay, and you prefer lesbian pornography?

Yet you think people who are gay/lesbian have something mentally or emotionally wrong with them?

You really don't make much sense. Think about your friend. What is wrong with him or her? How can this person who has smoething mentally wrong with him/her still be good enough to be your BEST friend?

Maybe OP is gay and just doesn't realize it or won't accept it. I understand that many gay people, especially religious people, hate gays. It is self-hatred because you are what you are taught is wrong and evil. Accept yourself and it will all be okay. Peace to you OP.

I had the same thought -- it's possible OP is in the closet, but not the one s/he seems to think.

Either way, I hope you work it out. Life is much easier when you're at peace with yourself and others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One day most likely you will find that someone you love dearly is gay--a child, a sibling, perhaps a best friend--and you will hopefully find it in your heart to let them be who are they meant to be. We knew my littlest brother was "different" at the age of 6 (we didn't want to steer him one way or other but many many clues were there)! He is an adult now and very out of the closet, no surprise; completely blindsided by other brother coming out of the closet soon after (he was a boy's boy). But both are happier now, not pretending to be what they are not. Wishing you peace on your path to acceptance.

I often wonder what it's like to have 2 or more gay members of your immediate family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One day most likely you will find that someone you love dearly is gay--a child, a sibling, perhaps a best friend--and you will hopefully find it in your heart to let them be who are they meant to be. We knew my littlest brother was "different" at the age of 6 (we didn't want to steer him one way or other but many many clues were there)! He is an adult now and very out of the closet, no surprise; completely blindsided by other brother coming out of the closet soon after (he was a boy's boy). But both are happier now, not pretending to be what they are not. Wishing you peace on your path to acceptance.

I often wonder what it's like to have 2 or more gay members of your immediate family.

You often wonder? How much time could the wondering take? Would you enjoy thinking about art or clouds even food more?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

being in the closet is not the point. The point is society denying people rights because of their race/gender/sexual orientation. Essentially saying to them, "you are not doing anything wrong, we just don't like your kind"

In the eyes of most Americans, would they say it is easier to be a gay white man in America or a black man of any sexual orientation in this country? I still believe that the gay or straight white man would be given the advantages. There are many people of all races that would lock their doors or cross the street if a Black man approached even if he was a gay Black man. I believe these issues are larger than sexual orientation discrimination.

Yeah maybe it's "easier" to be black in 2012. Ask that same question circa 1700-1970 and you'd find varying degrees of dissenting opinions.

There is still racism within the gay community. Just because you are sensitive to discrimination to one group or another does not mean that you cannot have a racist outlook. There was a recent article on a gay bar posting an image of Obama as a chimpanzee within an advertisement that upset some.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120208/NEWS01/302080101/obama-joke-gay-bar-owner-louisville?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CLocal%20News

http://www.wfpl.org/2012/02/09/fairness-black-gay-pride-plan-procott-at-tryangles-bar-friday-audio/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

What about interfaith marriage?

I would still say that interfaith marriage is not comparable to racism and segregation based on skin color. You can hide your religion.

Would you have a problem if a state decided to ban interfaith marriages?

If states banned interfaith marriage it would still not be comparable to lynchings, racism, or segregated facilities. There would still be many places to retreat to for interfaith marriage. I do not think that those discriminated against based on race could easily leave the country and not face similar discrimination. There is racism in many countries, there was a thread about racism in Spain recently in the travel forum. It would still be easier for an interfaith couple to be accepted in Spain for instance. Just one country out of many with color complexes.

I'm not getting your point here. Are you saying gays should just shut up and be grateful that they have a "closet"?

No, I am responding to the comparison of racism and segregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One day most likely you will find that someone you love dearly is gay--a child, a sibling, perhaps a best friend--and you will hopefully find it in your heart to let them be who are they meant to be. We knew my littlest brother was "different" at the age of 6 (we didn't want to steer him one way or other but many many clues were there)! He is an adult now and very out of the closet, no surprise; completely blindsided by other brother coming out of the closet soon after (he was a boy's boy). But both are happier now, not pretending to be what they are not. Wishing you peace on your path to acceptance.

that is not uncommon. Maybe both sons really hated their dad?