Office fed parent - summer schedule hacks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was in college I worked at Visa Credit Card, I was right next to Barlays US Headquarters and American Express and and Citigroup had offices all within a mile of each other.

This is many years before people had Nannies, Camps or childcare help and no before or after care at schools. We had lots of dual income couples with kids. They just worked different shifts.

My Boss at Visa she worked second shift and her husband worked first shift at Citigroup. As easy as that. And my office job out of college a lot of working Moms husbands were Fireman, Cops, Contractors, worked second or third shifts.

And most of Men wives were teachers or nurses.

You both cant work the same exact hours in person Monday to Friday as Parents of Kids unless you get child care or pay a lot for services.

It is why my sister was a part time Speech Pathologist in school. Her hours were 10am to 2 pm daily. 15 minute break. She was home for kids while husband worked full time in person.

My other sister was Breadwinner her husband was a semi stay at home dad. They had 3 kids.

It is myth you both should be allow to work in person 5 days a week in a big job, go to conferences, happy hours, work dinners, travel for work. If you have more than one kid something has to give.

You have posted this many times over the years. Still adds the same little value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Way back when I was in college I worked at Visa Credit Card, I was right next to Barlays US Headquarters and American Express and and Citigroup had offices all within a mile of each other.

This is many years before people had Nannies, Camps or childcare help and no before or after care at schools. We had lots of dual income couples with kids. They just worked different shifts.

My Boss at Visa she worked second shift and her husband worked first shift at Citigroup. As easy as that. And my office job out of college a lot of working Moms husbands were Fireman, Cops, Contractors, worked second or third shifts.

And most of Men wives were teachers or nurses.

You both cant work the same exact hours in person Monday to Friday as Parents of Kids unless you get child care or pay a lot for services.

It is why my sister was a part time Speech Pathologist in school. Her hours were 10am to 2 pm daily. 15 minute break. She was home for kids while husband worked full time in person.

My other sister was Breadwinner her husband was a semi stay at home dad. They had 3 kids.

It is myth you both should be allow to work in person 5 days a week in a big job, go to conferences, happy hours, work dinners, travel for work. If you have more than one kid something has to give.

When I was a kid my parents used day care, camps and Nannie’s. Your post makes no srnsevb

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just love Feds acting like they're the only people that have to work in person five days a week. Many of us have been doing this for our entire careers, without any sort of Covid break or flexibility, and we know about the importance of after care and carpooling, LOL!

Yes, but....more people needing aftercare and beforecare and the like will increase the price due to demand. It makes it more stressful on a macro basis, for everyone. And because of the cost, there is more demand for lower cost camps which actually needles out lower income workers who had a traditional 9-5. On top of that, traffic is worse because of these policies, which means you need to build in even more time.

The kneejerk Fed hate is so short-sighted.

Also, I REALLLLLLY hate the carpool suggestions. A sedan with two carseats cant carpool. Imagine having to buy a SUV or Minivan just because you have to carpool because work-life balance from the B-class bros is non-existent.

You mean how it was before flexibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just love Feds acting like they're the only people that have to work in person five days a week. Many of us have been doing this for our entire careers, without any sort of Covid break or flexibility, and we know about the importance of after care and carpooling, LOL!

I just love how y’all lump all feds. Not all Feds had a “covid break” and some Feds had telework for 20 YEARS before Covid. Many Feds have also being doing this for our entire careers. This us vs them bull is tiring. Adults figure things out rather private sector or fed. Big deal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just love Feds acting like they're the only people that have to work in person five days a week. Many of us have been doing this for our entire careers, without any sort of Covid break or flexibility, and we know about the importance of after care and carpooling, LOL!

STFU. Most private sector white collar workers have a lot of flexibility that Feds do not have anymore.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just love Feds acting like they're the only people that have to work in person five days a week. Many of us have been doing this for our entire careers, without any sort of Covid break or flexibility, and we know about the importance of after care and carpooling, LOL!

STFU. Most private sector white collar workers have a lot of flexibility that Feds do not have anymore.

+1000

Emphasis on STFU!!

[Anonymous]

Feds have had it super easy for years.

I was shocked when SEC in DC told me when they do an an audit of a broker dealer in NYC they expect to be paid for travel time. So they grab Amtrak at start of work shift on Monday Morning and then not arrive at Broker Deal in NYC till around one pm.They still run out the door by 430pm. Then on Friday around 11:30am they run out door again to get back to DC as only travel on work time.

Then to add to the madness they would then get to work from home following week to "write" up findings.

So I am like so over ten days you do 4 days work? They go yep. And oh yea between exams we sometimes go to office or WFH. We also get 5 weeks vacation and sick time and ten federal holidays. So we only work 45 weeks a year and around 2/3rds of that not at a broker dealer doing any sort of work.

Back in the 1990s-2019 I would think my neighbor was unemployed with a schedule like that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Feds have had it super easy for years.

I was shocked when SEC in DC told me when they do an an audit of a broker dealer in NYC they expect to be paid for travel time. So they grab Amtrak at start of work shift on Monday Morning and then not arrive at Broker Deal in NYC till around one pm.They still run out the door by 430pm. Then on Friday around 11:30am they run out door again to get back to DC as only travel on work time.

Then to add to the madness they would then get to work from home following week to "write" up findings.

So I am like so over ten days you do 4 days work? They go yep. And oh yea between exams we sometimes go to office or WFH. We also get 5 weeks vacation and sick time and ten federal holidays. So we only work 45 weeks a year and around 2/3rds of that not at a broker dealer doing any sort of work.

Back in the 1990s-2019 I would think my neighbor was unemployed with a schedule like that

You were "shocked"?? Most normal salaried white collar employees can travel during business hours if that is needed for their job. You still have to get all your work done, it's a workload and productivity issue. But if I'm flying to TX for a conference or client meeting I'm not required to leave at 5am so that I can get there before 9am and "work a full day" over there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just love Feds acting like they're the only people that have to work in person five days a week. Many of us have been doing this for our entire careers, without any sort of Covid break or flexibility, and we know about the importance of after care and carpooling, LOL!

Yes, but....more people needing aftercare and beforecare and the like will increase the price due to demand. It makes it more stressful on a macro basis, for everyone. And because of the cost, there is more demand for lower cost camps which actually needles out lower income workers who had a traditional 9-5. On top of that, traffic is worse because of these policies, which means you need to build in even more time.

The kneejerk Fed hate is so short-sighted.

Also, I REALLLLLLY hate the carpool suggestions. A sedan with two carseats cant carpool. Imagine having to buy a SUV or Minivan just because you have to carpool because work-life balance from the B-class bros is non-existent.

We fit 3 car seats in our Honda fit back row.

Also most camp age kids dont need car seats. Maybe boosters. If you have babies they arent going to camp.

I have a Diono for my baby and a booster for my 8 year old. I cannot fit another car seat or booster in the middle and I wont drive a kid without proper safety equipment.
Im not removing my car seat- to go where?- for carpooling and then having to reinstall it. Carpooling isnt just the answer to everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just love Feds acting like they're the only people that have to work in person five days a week. Many of us have been doing this for our entire careers, without any sort of Covid break or flexibility, and we know about the importance of after care and carpooling, LOL!

Yes, but....more people needing aftercare and beforecare and the like will increase the price due to demand. It makes it more stressful on a macro basis, for everyone. And because of the cost, there is more demand for lower cost camps which actually needles out lower income workers who had a traditional 9-5. On top of that, traffic is worse because of these policies, which means you need to build in even more time.

The kneejerk Fed hate is so short-sighted.

Also, I REALLLLLLY hate the carpool suggestions. A sedan with two carseats cant carpool. Imagine having to buy a SUV or Minivan just because you have to carpool because work-life balance from the B-class bros is non-existent.

You mean how it was before flexibility.

Oh my jeesh when are you referencing? Pre computers? Feds have LITERALLY had flexibility for decades. It WAS NOT A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC.

[Anonymous]

I put my kid in camp for 10 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Feds have had it super easy for years.

I was shocked when SEC in DC told me when they do an an audit of a broker dealer in NYC they expect to be paid for travel time. So they grab Amtrak at start of work shift on Monday Morning and then not arrive at Broker Deal in NYC till around one pm.They still run out the door by 430pm. Then on Friday around 11:30am they run out door again to get back to DC as only travel on work time.

Then to add to the madness they would then get to work from home following week to "write" up findings.

So I am like so over ten days you do 4 days work? They go yep. And oh yea between exams we sometimes go to office or WFH. We also get 5 weeks vacation and sick time and ten federal holidays. So we only work 45 weeks a year and around 2/3rds of that not at a broker dealer doing any sort of work.

Back in the 1990s-2019 I would think my neighbor was unemployed with a schedule like that

Eh, so yes sometimes we travel during work hours, but not always. Yes we get paid for time over 8 hours traveling. BUT we also have a level of micromanaging with our time off that my salaried private sector friends don't have. Nobody requires they take an unpaid lunch break and that it doesn't exceed 30 minutes. They don't have to use PTO to leave early for a doctor's appointment, or to get in a little later after camp drop off. They have some long weeks, but some where they work less than 40 and nobody cares as long as they get stuff done. The flip side of getting paid for travel time is that it's because we have to account for every hour. My private sector friends have flexibility that benefits them in ways I don't.

Also, technically, you don't get paid for your commute. So if you usually take an hour to get to work, and you take a 3 hr train ride, only 2 would count as work hours. See? Pretty nitpicky!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just love Feds acting like they're the only people that have to work in person five days a week. Many of us have been doing this for our entire careers, without any sort of Covid break or flexibility, and we know about the importance of after care and carpooling, LOL!

Yes, but....more people needing aftercare and beforecare and the like will increase the price due to demand. It makes it more stressful on a macro basis, for everyone. And because of the cost, there is more demand for lower cost camps which actually needles out lower income workers who had a traditional 9-5. On top of that, traffic is worse because of these policies, which means you need to build in even more time.

The kneejerk Fed hate is so short-sighted.

Also, I REALLLLLLY hate the carpool suggestions. A sedan with two carseats cant carpool. Imagine having to buy a SUV or Minivan just because you have to carpool because work-life balance from the B-class bros is non-existent.

We fit 3 car seats in our Honda fit back row.

Also most camp age kids dont need car seats. Maybe boosters. If you have babies they arent going to camp.

I have a Diono for my baby and a booster for my 8 year old. I cannot fit another car seat or booster in the middle and I wont drive a kid without proper safety equipment.
Im not removing my car seat- to go where?- for carpooling and then having to reinstall it. Carpooling isnt just the answer to everything.

We had 3 dionos across

And moving car seats is not a big deal with modern latch system.

[Anonymous]

It would be easier to hire a college age nanny full time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Feds have had it super easy for years.

I was shocked when SEC in DC told me when they do an an audit of a broker dealer in NYC they expect to be paid for travel time. So they grab Amtrak at start of work shift on Monday Morning and then not arrive at Broker Deal in NYC till around one pm.They still run out the door by 430pm. Then on Friday around 11:30am they run out door again to get back to DC as only travel on work time.

Then to add to the madness they would then get to work from home following week to "write" up findings.

So I am like so over ten days you do 4 days work? They go yep. And oh yea between exams we sometimes go to office or WFH. We also get 5 weeks vacation and sick time and ten federal holidays. So we only work 45 weeks a year and around 2/3rds of that not at a broker dealer doing any sort of work.

Back in the 1990s-2019 I would think my neighbor was unemployed with a schedule like that

You were "shocked"?? Most normal salaried white collar employees can travel during business hours if that is needed for their job. You still have to get all your work done, it's a workload and productivity issue. But if I'm flying to TX for a conference or client meeting I'm not required to leave at 5am so that I can get there before 9am and "work a full day" over there.

Right no one flies out to CA and takes leave fur the travel time. Also I have to subtract my commute time from any travel I do.