Chalamet ballet thing

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Timothee is a heel. He says outrageous things for attention, like Trump. He's unashamedly a gold digger and a capitalist.

[Anonymous]

What was with his hair and outfit at the Oscars? His hair looked like my great-aunt's "pixie" and his orthopedic white shoes and baggy white suite made him look like a toddler

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Opera, Ballet, Broadway, Musicals

I think it's cool that he said opera and ballet were out of fashion. That's a challenge to other artists.

I also sort of thought it was a somewhat obvious jab at Tom Holland.

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Anonymous wrote:Beyoncé and her crew put on a better dance show than ballet. Why should anybody care about ballet?

Beyoncé does a great show. So do the Alvin Ailey Company and the Dance Theater of Harlem, and the ABT and the NYCB — among others. My guess is that Beyoncé might agree. If you don’t care, that’s fine.

To answer your question though, many of us admire combinations of incredible physical skills, musicality, beauty (admittedly in the eye of the beholder) and storytelling. Some of us care even more if we’ve had a class or two, and realize just how challenging these accomplishments can be. I care because I’ve been lucky enough to see some incredibly beautiful performances. I’ve also learned to care about other things — like jazz - that took time and experience that allowed me to grow into it. Not saying that you should care, just pointing out that like single malt and sushi, some things take more than an initial taste to be fully appreciated.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he comes off as a boring person who talks too much about his ambition as if it's unique, important and praiseworthy. I saw one acceptance speech for his Bob Dylan role where he talked about how he wanted to be one of the greats. The thrust of the speech was about his ambition. I found it to be a turnoff. Who cares? We're not your mom or dad, there to praise your efforts. Furthermore, it's not unique. Everyone at his level has a burning ambition. Many, many people are ambitious in their fields. I remember thinking he's immature, self-centered and boring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so.

So I think think his comment was just another notch on his belt for clueless, immature comments. It was again about his ambition! Shut up about it.

Ballet and opera (and symphony) have had small audiences since the 20th century. They haven't been mainstream for a hundred years or more. Yet there are people who devote their careers to them and people who like and support them. It's like poetry, it's still around but the audience is small and the books are few. The same can be said for many art forms and crafts or disciplines like classics or philosophy. Still, these things can be beautiful and meaningful even if they do not have popular appeal. Many of the participants have huge ambitions for these art forms, just as he does!

He is just a bore and a boor. He needs to stop talking too. There was a reason the old studio system created a mystique around stars. If you know too much about them, you might not like the real person.

It's a case of keep your mouth shut rather opening it and putting your mouth in it.

They have contracts obligating them to give interviews and go on podcasts and to events. I don't disagree that it should change.

He didn't have to talk that way when accepting an award though. Plus he needs better media/PR training.

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Anonymous wrote:Opera, Ballet, Broadway, Musicals

I think it's cool that he said opera and ballet were out of fashion. That's a challenge to other artists.

I also sort of thought it was a somewhat obvious jab at Tom Holland.

Really? The best meme I’ve seen about this mess —so far, said something like: Tom Holland could easily do any of Chalamet’s roles, but there’s no way that Chalamet could do what Holland did with Umbrella. Then, of course, people chimed in with comments about Billy Elliot and Spider-Man, and some very funny pictures. If Chalamet was taking on Tom Holland, it sounds like he’s adding jealousy and stupidity to his repertoire of dubious skills. I wondered what the dancers in his family think of his comments and if any of his teachers and fellow alums from Laguardia have shared their thoughts. He dissed a lot of people with his very unnecessary comments. Unforced error.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he comes off as a boring person who talks too much about his ambition as if it's unique, important and praiseworthy. I saw one acceptance speech for his Bob Dylan role where he talked about how he wanted to be one of the greats. The thrust of the speech was about his ambition. I found it to be a turnoff. Who cares? We're not your mom or dad, there to praise your efforts. Furthermore, it's not unique. Everyone at his level has a burning ambition. Many, many people are ambitious in their fields. I remember thinking he's immature, self-centered and boring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so.

So I think think his comment was just another notch on his belt for clueless, immature comments. It was again about his ambition! Shut up about it.

Ballet and opera (and symphony) have had small audiences since the 20th century. They haven't been mainstream for a hundred years or more. Yet there are people who devote their careers to them and people who like and support them. It's like poetry, it's still around but the audience is small and the books are few. The same can be said for many art forms and crafts or disciplines like classics or philosophy. Still, these things can be beautiful and meaningful even if they do not have popular appeal. Many of the participants have huge ambitions for these art forms, just as he does!

He is just a bore and a boor. He needs to stop talking too. There was a reason the old studio system created a mystique around stars. If you know too much about them, you might not like the real person.

It's a case of keep your mouth shut rather opening it and putting your mouth in it.

They have contracts obligating them to give interviews and go on podcasts and to events. I don't disagree that it should change.

He didn't have to talk that way when accepting an award though. Plus he needs better media/PR training.

Why? To say something totally bland and boring?

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Anonymous wrote:I think he comes off as a boring person who talks too much about his ambition as if it's unique, important and praiseworthy. I saw one acceptance speech for his Bob Dylan role where he talked about how he wanted to be one of the greats. The thrust of the speech was about his ambition. I found it to be a turnoff. Who cares? We're not your mom or dad, there to praise your efforts. Furthermore, it's not unique. Everyone at his level has a burning ambition. Many, many people are ambitious in their fields. I remember thinking he's immature, self-centered and boring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so.

So I think think his comment was just another notch on his belt for clueless, immature comments. It was again about his ambition! Shut up about it.

Ballet and opera (and symphony) have had small audiences since the 20th century. They haven't been mainstream for a hundred years or more. Yet there are people who devote their careers to them and people who like and support them. It's like poetry, it's still around but the audience is small and the books are few. The same can be said for many art forms and crafts or disciplines like classics or philosophy. Still, these things can be beautiful and meaningful even if they do not have popular appeal. Many of the participants have huge ambitions for these art forms, just as he does!

He is just a bore and a boor. He needs to stop talking too. There was a reason the old studio system created a mystique around stars. If you know too much about them, you might not like the real person.

It's a case of keep your mouth shut rather opening it and putting your mouth in it.

They have contracts obligating them to give interviews and go on podcasts and to events. I don't disagree that it should change.

He didn't have to talk that way when accepting an award though. Plus he needs better media/PR training.

Why? To say something totally bland and boring?

It’s a choice. If you want to be positively recognized by your peers and paymasters you can either be appreciative in acknowledging the recognition or be one of the best in the world at whatever it is that you do. Timothee seems to be neither. His entertaining quips get a very different type of attention from very different groups of people. If he’s fine with that, then great. His face dropped a bit though, so maybe he’d like to work out a better balance.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he comes off as a boring person who talks too much about his ambition as if it's unique, important and praiseworthy. I saw one acceptance speech for his Bob Dylan role where he talked about how he wanted to be one of the greats. The thrust of the speech was about his ambition. I found it to be a turnoff. Who cares? We're not your mom or dad, there to praise your efforts. Furthermore, it's not unique. Everyone at his level has a burning ambition. Many, many people are ambitious in their fields. I remember thinking he's immature, self-centered and boring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so.

So I think think his comment was just another notch on his belt for clueless, immature comments. It was again about his ambition! Shut up about it.

Ballet and opera (and symphony) have had small audiences since the 20th century. They haven't been mainstream for a hundred years or more. Yet there are people who devote their careers to them and people who like and support them. It's like poetry, it's still around but the audience is small and the books are few. The same can be said for many art forms and crafts or disciplines like classics or philosophy. Still, these things can be beautiful and meaningful even if they do not have popular appeal. Many of the participants have huge ambitions for these art forms, just as he does!

He is just a bore and a boor. He needs to stop talking too. There was a reason the old studio system created a mystique around stars. If you know too much about them, you might not like the real person.

It's a case of keep your mouth shut rather opening it and putting your mouth in it.

They have contracts obligating them to give interviews and go on podcasts and to events. I don't disagree that it should change.

He didn't have to talk that way when accepting an award though. Plus he needs better media/PR training.

Why? To say something totally bland and boring?

It’s a choice. If you want to be positively recognized by your peers and paymasters you can either be appreciative in acknowledging the recognition or be one of the best in the world at whatever it is that you do. Timothee seems to be neither. His entertaining quips get a very different type of attention from very different groups of people. If he’s fine with that, then great. His face dropped a bit though, so maybe he’d like to work out a better balance.

NP- Eh, Sean Penn is an atrocious person and just got an Oscar for a mediocre performance. Hollywood does not work that way and neither does public acclaim. Pople are incredibly fickle and odd about what gets a pass and what doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he comes off as a boring person who talks too much about his ambition as if it's unique, important and praiseworthy. I saw one acceptance speech for his Bob Dylan role where he talked about how he wanted to be one of the greats. The thrust of the speech was about his ambition. I found it to be a turnoff. Who cares? We're not your mom or dad, there to praise your efforts. Furthermore, it's not unique. Everyone at his level has a burning ambition. Many, many people are ambitious in their fields. I remember thinking he's immature, self-centered and boring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so.

So I think think his comment was just another notch on his belt for clueless, immature comments. It was again about his ambition! Shut up about it.

Ballet and opera (and symphony) have had small audiences since the 20th century. They haven't been mainstream for a hundred years or more. Yet there are people who devote their careers to them and people who like and support them. It's like poetry, it's still around but the audience is small and the books are few. The same can be said for many art forms and crafts or disciplines like classics or philosophy. Still, these things can be beautiful and meaningful even if they do not have popular appeal. Many of the participants have huge ambitions for these art forms, just as he does!

He is just a bore and a boor. He needs to stop talking too. There was a reason the old studio system created a mystique around stars. If you know too much about them, you might not like the real person.

It's a case of keep your mouth shut rather opening it and putting your mouth in it.

They have contracts obligating them to give interviews and go on podcasts and to events. I don't disagree that it should change.

He didn't have to talk that way when accepting an award though. Plus he needs better media/PR training.

Why? To say something totally bland and boring?

It’s a choice. If you want to be positively recognized by your peers and paymasters you can either be appreciative in acknowledging the recognition or be one of the best in the world at whatever it is that you do. Timothee seems to be neither. His entertaining quips get a very different type of attention from very different groups of people. If he’s fine with that, then great. His face dropped a bit though, so maybe he’d like to work out a better balance.

NP- Eh, Sean Penn is an atrocious person and just got an Oscar for a mediocre performance. Hollywood does not work that way and neither does public acclaim. Pople are incredibly fickle and odd about what gets a pass and what doesn't.

Atrocious? He had a few altercations in the past. The Madonna allegations seemed false. He's done a lot of humanitarian work that most celebrities wouldn't dream of doing. I'd say he's complicated, somewhat controversial, but not evil. He was actually in Ukraine during the ceremony.

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It's punching down. It's a Hollywood actor who gets paid millions for everyone movie he makes and who has a big presence in popular culture (and a big voice) criticizing art forms, and by extension artists, who mostly don't make much money and have to fight to be heard or seen in a landscape filled with TikTok videos.

It's not like people in ballet and opera are under the mistaken impression that they are the center of the universe and everyone cares. They know! They know their art forms get less money and attention every year. They know it in their paychecks, ticket sales, and audiences.

It would be like if some wealthy author of romance fiction whose novels are all made into TV shows and movies and is a household name, randomly decided to say "You know I'm so glad I don't write something no one cares about, like poetry or plays. Sorry to poets and play writes I guess."

It's just like -- why be a dick about it? It's not like you see ballerinas and tenors in interviews crapping all over Chalemet movies. They were just minding their own business, making art and working hard at something few people appreciate, when one of the biggest actors in the world decided to attack them. Why? So dumb and I'm glad people went after him for it. He needs to grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:It's punching down. It's a Hollywood actor who gets paid millions for everyone movie he makes and who has a big presence in popular culture (and a big voice) criticizing art forms, and by extension artists, who mostly don't make much money and have to fight to be heard or seen in a landscape filled with TikTok videos.

It's not like people in ballet and opera are under the mistaken impression that they are the center of the universe and everyone cares. They know! They know their art forms get less money and attention every year. They know it in their paychecks, ticket sales, and audiences.

It would be like if some wealthy author of romance fiction whose novels are all made into TV shows and movies and is a household name, randomly decided to say "You know I'm so glad I don't write something no one cares about, like poetry or plays. Sorry to poets and play writes I guess."

It's just like -- why be a dick about it? It's not like you see ballerinas and tenors in interviews crapping all over Chalemet movies. They were just minding their own business, making art and working hard at something few people appreciate, when one of the biggest actors in the world decided to attack them. Why? So dumb and I'm glad people went after him for it. He needs to grow up.

I don't see how it's punching down whatsoever: Ballet dancers and opera singers are enormously talented in ways actors are not, and work harder than any actor ever has. It's a different art form. It's less lucrative as a career, and it doesn't bring in crowds the way movies do, plus the field SHOULD be worried about diminishing audiences and solutions to the problem. Him bringing it up with his stupid quote was actually a happy accident because now people are talking about it and getting interested again.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he comes off as a boring person who talks too much about his ambition as if it's unique, important and praiseworthy. I saw one acceptance speech for his Bob Dylan role where he talked about how he wanted to be one of the greats. The thrust of the speech was about his ambition. I found it to be a turnoff. Who cares? We're not your mom or dad, there to praise your efforts. Furthermore, it's not unique. Everyone at his level has a burning ambition. Many, many people are ambitious in their fields. I remember thinking he's immature, self-centered and boring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so.

So I think think his comment was just another notch on his belt for clueless, immature comments. It was again about his ambition! Shut up about it.

Ballet and opera (and symphony) have had small audiences since the 20th century. They haven't been mainstream for a hundred years or more. Yet there are people who devote their careers to them and people who like and support them. It's like poetry, it's still around but the audience is small and the books are few. The same can be said for many art forms and crafts or disciplines like classics or philosophy. Still, these things can be beautiful and meaningful even if they do not have popular appeal. Many of the participants have huge ambitions for these art forms, just as he does!

He is just a bore and a boor. He needs to stop talking too. There was a reason the old studio system created a mystique around stars. If you know too much about them, you might not like the real person.

It's a case of keep your mouth shut rather opening it and putting your mouth in it.

Why he was on a town hall is it’s on question. But the point he was trying to make is that he wants to work in a field that attracts large audiences, not small ones. You have confirmed that ballet and opera don’t attract large audiences. He wasn’t putting down the art itself.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how it's been hyped to such a point. He made one stupid comment, immediately said (because I looked up the whole quote) that he didn't even know why he said that and no disrespect to ballet, AND his own mom is a former ballerina with the New York City Ballet and his grandma and sister also were ballerinas! It seems crazy people are saying it cost him the Oscar and he's now so hated because of it and people are tearing him down for it.

Chalamet didn't lose it because he said that. Michael B. Jordan earned it. He was the better actor. Did you miss him saying about women's main purpose is to have kids and if you don't than you areliving a bleak life? He doesn't have any kids!

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Anonymous wrote:He just said what most people are thinking.

You can have an opinion that is dismissive of ballet, if you want. Though I'd bet most people holding that opinion have never been to one outside The Nutcracker.

You do not have to say it as glibly and conclusively as he did (or at all). There's a difference between it not being your thing and it having no value. He expressed the former in a way that was so totally obnoxious. Esp from a guy who was promoting a movie about ping pong and who is dating a Bratz Doll.

Chalamet is not my cup of tea and never has been. I don't find him attractive or as great an actor as he thinks he is. So I def rolled my eyes when he said that.

He said that no one cares about it. That doesn't mean that it doesn't have a value. It means that the people who should be making other people care about it are failing at their job.

Hollywood is full of people with tons of money. Why aren't school kids given free tickets to the ballet and opera every year? Why have artists allowed public schools to have so much testing that they can't take kids to ballet/opera shows on a regular basis? What is going on?

Well, you’re asking these questions on a DC- centered site — just as our beloved and very community oriented Kennedy Center for the Arts is being closed for at least 2 years and possibly destroyed for good. What is “going on” is the ways in which the people currently in power are expressing their values — for the Arts as well as for education. Between DOGE and EOs , a lot of what was available when I was a kid going to the KC for free and low cost performances is being underfunded, devalued, and even destroyed. If these experiences are happening in places like DC, I’m guessing that opportunities to “take kids to ballet/opera shows on a regular basis” are even less available in many other areas of the country.

So why isn’t Hollywood, and the greater arts community, agitating about this? Why am I not seeing “a million artists march” on Washington? Why am I not hearing congressional candidates running on platforms supporting the arts? These people put their energy towards calling Chalamet an idiot, but where is the energy towards reversing what’s going on in the arts??