Worried about college for "standard strong" DS

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies that I am posting as a NYC parent but this group is so helpful! My 10th gr DS it a giant NYC selective public school. I feel like he's going to fall between the cracks in college admissions. Too strong for the "awesomely average" group, not strong enough for the 4.0/1500 group. Not super interested in rah-rah and I worry he'll get lost at a giant state school, but also worry he won't find his people at a tiny LAC. Very NOT quirky. Just a normal hard-working bright teenage boy who likes playing sports and "chilling" with his many friends, and likes the challenge of being surrounded by the smart kids at his school. Has a 3.7 and I'm guessing SAT will land somewhere around 1400?? At his school this is middle of the pack - about 20% of kids get into Ivy+. Best subjects are history and math, but will probably apply as a humanities major since there are so freaking many genius STEM kids. The school is so large that Naviance scattergrams look like a giant ink blot and literally everything appears to be a reach. Anyone here have a kid with a comparable profile? We will of course apply to many SUNYs, but want a solid list of privates as well. We are fortunate to be able to pay in full.


MY advice is more general

- Academically dig in a little more to history and math potential major and how that ties into quality of program, alumni, and post graduation plans when building the list. My kid applied with social science area as potential major and also enjoyed math but didn’t have the heavy STEM background to be sure about it as a major or for it to help versus hurt by putting that as intnded major. I think 100% that being at a SLAC made it easier to make the decision to major in math and be in environment where they weren’t starting behind by only taking AP Calc in high school. That said, now looking for a job and not grad school, they wish they had done Math/Econ or something else with Math to help in the job hunt and even the internship experiences prior.

- Socially your kid can probably make it work at a larger school or a medium size SLAC. First they have to decide Greek Life or not. Then how do people not in Greek life either by choice or didn’t get a bid where they wanted or with friends - how are they making friends, finding roommates, being social etc. and does that feel likely for your son if he went there? I wasn’t in Greek Life at what felt like a Greek heavy school and there were times it felt tough. I think the location of not having much to get to without a car off campus gave Greek parties even more social importance. My kids wanted to be more suburban/urban and went for schools where many different people could thrive and you didn’t have to be one way to fit in.


- As for suggested schools, I would have made similar suggestions about American/GW, Pitt, Syracuse, University of Rochester, Richmond, if willing to attend Catholic school look at some of the Catholic colleges on the east Coast, and consider if open to any mid-west colleges.


Above PP has a point regarding understanding where various liberal arts majors may lead to. If your son is interested in humanities and social sciences, also consider English and Political Science. These are other classic liberal arts majors. I believe English is short of male majors. Regarding history, I'd check to make sure your kid had areas/periods of specific interest and that the school supports them well. Review the departmental websites and look at faculty count and bios. In my opinion, the departments are too small at some SLACs for you to have access to a large variety of classes and faculty. That can be a risk if you end up not vibing with the department chair or key gatekeeping professors.

I know you are leery of big schools but the University of Michigan likes your DS's high school and New Yorkers. Just started ED and may still allow TO. DCUM says that private DMV school students don't have to have the 3.8 that seems to be the typical cutoff line for in-staters. (My son is in-state LSA social sciences and was around 3.9 unweighted). There will probably be an AO visiting your school as well as college fairs. Definitely try to do that if of interest.

I know that DMV kids tend to have 1500+ SATs but there may be wiggle room for your high school Michigan. Your kid would certainly get into Michigan State if that's of interest.

Michigan has a "Residential College" that offers a four year living experience while getting a liberal arts degree with special seminars and course requirements. Look into that if interested in a more SLAC-like experience.

Michigan is a purple state with a female Democrat Governor (and not the first either). Pete Buttigieg lives here now. The two big universities have lots of kids from Oakland County which is a demographically affluent county similar to Montgomery County, Maryland.

This is a random idea but it aligns with the interest pattern and possible hooks. Also your kid's credentials would line up well with in-state students. Michigan kids are smart but we don't have relentless grinding and SAT prep norms in many of our school districts. Simply put, it's a quite different environment from high-competition areas like DMV and NYC top publics.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


That your opinion, and one that isn't supported by data.


What? I don’t get it. People here are so hard on great schools like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Wash U, but then have nothing but sympathy for a slacker kid who is so clearly best suited to a truly mediocre state school. What gives?! I truly never get this crowd.


PP, have you ever considered that different types of posters respond to different threads? You may be seeing different groups of parents depending on the schools mentioned.

The three schools you mention are in cities and regions that are not cool with East Coast Establishment types. It's hardly surprising.

OP's kid does not sound like a slacker. They are going to one of the best public high schools in the United States. Context matters.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


That your opinion, and one that isn't supported by data.


What? I don’t get it. People here are so hard on great schools like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Wash U, but then have nothing but sympathy for a slacker kid who is so clearly best suited to a truly mediocre state school. What gives?! I truly never get this crowd.


WTF is wrong with you?

From the OPs post:

"Just a normal hard-working bright teenage boy who likes playing sports and "chilling" with his many friends, and likes the challenge of being surrounded by the smart kids at his school."

The OP is discussing a normal well adjusted kid, nothing like your insinuation. What gives is right, nobody will ever understand ignorant mental midgets such as the one that you see in the mirror.

The kid will do great at a SUNY if that is what they choose. SUNY's aren't mediocre, they are excellent and underappreciated schools which give zero ground to many far better known Publics. But this is a kids who has done very well and will have options, great options. Comments like yours highlight your limitations, not anybody else's.


PP here. I’m sorry, but intelligent, hard working and 3.7 GPA are not compatible. If he really is that smart, he’s just not putting in the effort of that’s really his GPA. His guidance counselor would (should) tell him the exact same if she’s honest with him.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


Let me guess - you didn't grow up here. I hate to stereotype but you sound like an immigrant tiger mom. Scary.

And no, this isn't an anti-immigrant comment. I love people from everywhere and embrace diversity. I hate the stereotypical know-it-all immigrants who just don't get how things work. Let me know where your kid goes. So mine can stay far away.


I’m an born and bred American for countless generations, sorry to break it to you. But good job trying to impugn immigrants, and especially Asians, PP. Not cool at all.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


That your opinion, and one that isn't supported by data.


What? I don’t get it. People here are so hard on great schools like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Wash U, but then have nothing but sympathy for a slacker kid who is so clearly best suited to a truly mediocre state school. What gives?! I truly never get this crowd.


WTF is wrong with you?

From the OPs post:

"Just a normal hard-working bright teenage boy who likes playing sports and "chilling" with his many friends, and likes the challenge of being surrounded by the smart kids at his school."

The OP is discussing a normal well adjusted kid, nothing like your insinuation. What gives is right, nobody will ever understand ignorant mental midgets such as the one that you see in the mirror.

The kid will do great at a SUNY if that is what they choose. SUNY's aren't mediocre, they are excellent and underappreciated schools which give zero ground to many far better known Publics. But this is a kids who has done very well and will have options, great options. Comments like yours highlight your limitations, not anybody else's.


PP here. I’m sorry, but intelligent, hard working and 3.7 GPA are not compatible. If he really is that smart, he’s just not putting in the effort of that’s really his GPA. His guidance counselor would (should) tell him the exact same if she’s honest with him.


What a dumb comment. You're questioning some kid's work ethic and intelligence based on their GPA. Really? At many elite NYC privates a 3.7 will get you into most Ivies. You have such a shallow, ignorant view of the world. This board is poisoned by low class strivers who think they know so much and are clueless. Shut up and listen and maybe you will develop some class.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


That your opinion, and one that isn't supported by data.


What? I don’t get it. People here are so hard on great schools like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Wash U, but then have nothing but sympathy for a slacker kid who is so clearly best suited to a truly mediocre state school. What gives?! I truly never get this crowd.


PP, have you ever considered that different types of posters respond to different threads? You may be seeing different groups of parents depending on the schools mentioned.

The three schools you mention are in cities and regions that are not cool with East Coast Establishment types. It's hardly surprising.

OP's kid does not sound like a slacker. They are going to one of the best public high schools in the United States. Context matters.


Fair point. The OP of this thread is not in the same league with the other threads I mentioned, and she’s not trying to be. So if I conflated things!
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


That your opinion, and one that isn't supported by data.


What? I don’t get it. People here are so hard on great schools like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Wash U, but then have nothing but sympathy for a slacker kid who is so clearly best suited to a truly mediocre state school. What gives?! I truly never get this crowd.


PP, have you ever considered that different types of posters respond to different threads? You may be seeing different groups of parents depending on the schools mentioned.

The three schools you mention are in cities and regions that are not cool with East Coast Establishment types. It's hardly surprising.

OP's kid does not sound like a slacker. They are going to one of the best public high schools in the United States. Context matters.


Fair point. The OP of this thread is not in the same league with the other threads I mentioned, and she’s not trying to be. So if I conflated things!


*Sorry if I conflated things.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


Let me guess - you didn't grow up here. I hate to stereotype but you sound like an immigrant tiger mom. Scary.

And no, this isn't an anti-immigrant comment. I love people from everywhere and embrace diversity. I hate the stereotypical know-it-all immigrants who just don't get how things work. Let me know where your kid goes. So mine can stay far away.


I’m an born and bred American for countless generations, sorry to break it to you. But good job trying to impugn immigrants, and especially Asians, PP. Not cool at all.


Then you communicate like someone who doesn't speak English as their native language. And hasn't spent time around normal, well-socialized Americans. Which is even sadder.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


That your opinion, and one that isn't supported by data.


What? I don’t get it. People here are so hard on great schools like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Wash U, but then have nothing but sympathy for a slacker kid who is so clearly best suited to a truly mediocre state school. What gives?! I truly never get this crowd.


WTF is wrong with you?

From the OPs post:

"Just a normal hard-working bright teenage boy who likes playing sports and "chilling" with his many friends, and likes the challenge of being surrounded by the smart kids at his school."

The OP is discussing a normal well adjusted kid, nothing like your insinuation. What gives is right, nobody will ever understand ignorant mental midgets such as the one that you see in the mirror.

The kid will do great at a SUNY if that is what they choose. SUNY's aren't mediocre, they are excellent and underappreciated schools which give zero ground to many far better known Publics. But this is a kids who has done very well and will have options, great options. Comments like yours highlight your limitations, not anybody else's.


PP here. I’m sorry, but intelligent, hard working and 3.7 GPA are not compatible. If he really is that smart, he’s just not putting in the effort of that’s really his GPA. His guidance counselor would (should) tell him the exact same if she’s honest with him.


What a dumb comment. You're questioning some kid's work ethic and intelligence based on their GPA. Really? At many elite NYC privates a 3.7 will get you into most Ivies. You have such a shallow, ignorant view of the world. This board is poisoned by low class strivers who think they know so much and are clueless. Shut up and listen and maybe you will develop some class.


Sorry, but no. NY privates are not any different from DC primates, in fact they’re probably inferior. Same rules apply and I stand by my comment! Sorry if the tough talk hurts, but I thought this was the place for honest, anonymous discussion, even if it hurts a little. This board is full of that. At least OP realizes SUNY Binghamton is probably the best place for her kid to mature and hopefully get on the right path for a professional career.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


Let me guess - you didn't grow up here. I hate to stereotype but you sound like an immigrant tiger mom. Scary.

And no, this isn't an anti-immigrant comment. I love people from everywhere and embrace diversity. I hate the stereotypical know-it-all immigrants who just don't get how things work. Let me know where your kid goes. So mine can stay far away.


I’m an born and bred American for countless generations, sorry to break it to you. But good job trying to impugn immigrants, and especially Asians, PP. Not cool at all.


Then you communicate like someone who doesn't speak English as their native language. And hasn't spent time around normal, well-socialized Americans. Which is even sadder.


Thank you for the laugh! I have three kids in Ivies and went to one myself, but sure, English isn’t my native language!! You’re too much PP.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


That your opinion, and one that isn't supported by data.


What? I don’t get it. People here are so hard on great schools like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Wash U, but then have nothing but sympathy for a slacker kid who is so clearly best suited to a truly mediocre state school. What gives?! I truly never get this crowd.


WTF is wrong with you?

From the OPs post:

"Just a normal hard-working bright teenage boy who likes playing sports and "chilling" with his many friends, and likes the challenge of being surrounded by the smart kids at his school."

The OP is discussing a normal well adjusted kid, nothing like your insinuation. What gives is right, nobody will ever understand ignorant mental midgets such as the one that you see in the mirror.

The kid will do great at a SUNY if that is what they choose. SUNY's aren't mediocre, they are excellent and underappreciated schools which give zero ground to many far better known Publics. But this is a kids who has done very well and will have options, great options. Comments like yours highlight your limitations, not anybody else's.


PP here. I’m sorry, but intelligent, hard working and 3.7 GPA are not compatible. If he really is that smart, he’s just not putting in the effort of that’s really his GPA. His guidance counselor would (should) tell him the exact same if she’s honest with him.


What a dumb comment. You're questioning some kid's work ethic and intelligence based on their GPA. Really? At many elite NYC privates a 3.7 will get you into most Ivies. You have such a shallow, ignorant view of the world. This board is poisoned by low class strivers who think they know so much and are clueless. Shut up and listen and maybe you will develop some class.


Sorry, but no. NY privates are not any different from DC primates, in fact they’re probably inferior. Same rules apply and I stand by my comment! Sorry if the tough talk hurts, but I thought this was the place for honest, anonymous discussion, even if it hurts a little. This board is full of that. At least OP realizes SUNY Binghamton is probably the best place for her kid to mature and hopefully get on the right path for a professional career.


Saying someone's kid is not intelligent and does not work hard based on a 3.7 gpa is the dumbest thing in the history of the many dumb things posted on DCUM. I stand by that. But you be you.

And no, NYC TT privates are better than DC privates. Totally different world. Further proving your ignorance.

You're also likely someone who wouldn't send your kid to a SLAC. Because you know everything about everything. I'm sure you're popular at the country club cocktail parties (kidding/not kidding).
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


Let me guess - you didn't grow up here. I hate to stereotype but you sound like an immigrant tiger mom. Scary.

And no, this isn't an anti-immigrant comment. I love people from everywhere and embrace diversity. I hate the stereotypical know-it-all immigrants who just don't get how things work. Let me know where your kid goes. So mine can stay far away.


I’m an born and bred American for countless generations, sorry to break it to you. But good job trying to impugn immigrants, and especially Asians, PP. Not cool at all.


Then you communicate like someone who doesn't speak English as their native language. And hasn't spent time around normal, well-socialized Americans. Which is even sadder.


Thank you for the laugh! I have three kids in Ivies and went to one myself, but sure, English isn’t my native language!! You’re too much PP.


Then you are an embarrassment to these Ivies. Going back to the post I was responding to, telling them their kid needs to figure things out? Really. You are a jerk. Hoping you didn't go to the same Ivies that I did as you are devaluing my degrees with your ignorance and low class comments. We called people like you "admissions mistakes."
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


That your opinion, and one that isn't supported by data.


What? I don’t get it. People here are so hard on great schools like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Wash U, but then have nothing but sympathy for a slacker kid who is so clearly best suited to a truly mediocre state school. What gives?! I truly never get this crowd.


WTF is wrong with you?

From the OPs post:

"Just a normal hard-working bright teenage boy who likes playing sports and "chilling" with his many friends, and likes the challenge of being surrounded by the smart kids at his school."

The OP is discussing a normal well adjusted kid, nothing like your insinuation. What gives is right, nobody will ever understand ignorant mental midgets such as the one that you see in the mirror.

The kid will do great at a SUNY if that is what they choose. SUNY's aren't mediocre, they are excellent and underappreciated schools which give zero ground to many far better known Publics. But this is a kids who has done very well and will have options, great options. Comments like yours highlight your limitations, not anybody else's.


PP here. I’m sorry, but intelligent, hard working and 3.7 GPA are not compatible. If he really is that smart, he’s just not putting in the effort of that’s really his GPA. His guidance counselor would (should) tell him the exact same if she’s honest with him.


What a dumb comment. You're questioning some kid's work ethic and intelligence based on their GPA. Really? At many elite NYC privates a 3.7 will get you into most Ivies. You have such a shallow, ignorant view of the world. This board is poisoned by low class strivers who think they know so much and are clueless. Shut up and listen and maybe you will develop some class.


Sorry, but no. NY privates are not any different from DC primates, in fact they’re probably inferior. Same rules apply and I stand by my comment! Sorry if the tough talk hurts, but I thought this was the place for honest, anonymous discussion, even if it hurts a little. This board is full of that. At least OP realizes SUNY Binghamton is probably the best place for her kid to mature and hopefully get on the right path for a professional career.


Saying someone's kid is not intelligent and does not work hard based on a 3.7 gpa is the dumbest thing in the history of the many dumb things posted on DCUM. I stand by that. But you be you.

And no, NYC TT privates are better than DC privates. Totally different world. Further proving your ignorance.

You're also likely someone who wouldn't send your kid to a SLAC. Because you know everything about everything. I'm sure you're popular at the country club cocktail parties (kidding/not kidding).


I didn’t say OP’s kid wasn’t smart. But I did say that if he is smart as OP posits AND still have a 3.7 GPA, then he is a slacker. And I stand by that and think the guidance counselor at his NY private would say the same if he or she is being honest. And no, I don’t have kids at SLACs (three of the four went to Ivies, and the other to a public but that’s because he was a slacker. And yes, we told him that often!). Anyway, nothing against SLACs in general, but the ones suggested here are not worth the money IMHO. And we do not belong to a country club, but I’m not sure why that matters.
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Anonymous wrote:Probably would go with a SUNY school. The privates mentioned here are not worth the money they cost. Hopefully he figures things out in college and can get into a good professional school. He will need to work harder in the future though!


That your opinion, and one that isn't supported by data.


What? I don’t get it. People here are so hard on great schools like Emory, Vanderbilt, and Wash U, but then have nothing but sympathy for a slacker kid who is so clearly best suited to a truly mediocre state school. What gives?! I truly never get this crowd.


WTF is wrong with you?

From the OPs post:

"Just a normal hard-working bright teenage boy who likes playing sports and "chilling" with his many friends, and likes the challenge of being surrounded by the smart kids at his school."

The OP is discussing a normal well adjusted kid, nothing like your insinuation. What gives is right, nobody will ever understand ignorant mental midgets such as the one that you see in the mirror.

The kid will do great at a SUNY if that is what they choose. SUNY's aren't mediocre, they are excellent and underappreciated schools which give zero ground to many far better known Publics. But this is a kids who has done very well and will have options, great options. Comments like yours highlight your limitations, not anybody else's.


PP here. I’m sorry, but intelligent, hard working and 3.7 GPA are not compatible. If he really is that smart, he’s just not putting in the effort of that’s really his GPA. His guidance counselor would (should) tell him the exact same if she’s honest with him.


What a dumb comment. You're questioning some kid's work ethic and intelligence based on their GPA. Really? At many elite NYC privates a 3.7 will get you into most Ivies. You have such a shallow, ignorant view of the world. This board is poisoned by low class strivers who think they know so much and are clueless. Shut up and listen and maybe you will develop some class.


Sorry, but no. NY privates are not any different from DC primates, in fact they’re probably inferior. Same rules apply and I stand by my comment! Sorry if the tough talk hurts, but I thought this was the place for honest, anonymous discussion, even if it hurts a little. This board is full of that. At least OP realizes SUNY Binghamton is probably the best place for her kid to mature and hopefully get on the right path for a professional career.


Saying someone's kid is not intelligent and does not work hard based on a 3.7 gpa is the dumbest thing in the history of the many dumb things posted on DCUM. I stand by that. But you be you.

And no, NYC TT privates are better than DC privates. Totally different world. Further proving your ignorance.

You're also likely someone who wouldn't send your kid to a SLAC. Because you know everything about everything. I'm sure you're popular at the country club cocktail parties (kidding/not kidding).


I didn’t say OP’s kid wasn’t smart. But I did say that if he is smart as OP posits AND still have a 3.7 GPA, then he is a slacker. And I stand by that and think the guidance counselor at his NY private would say the same if he or she is being honest. And no, I don’t have kids at SLACs (three of the four went to Ivies, and the other to a public but that’s because he was a slacker. And yes, we told him that often!). Anyway, nothing against SLACs in general, but the ones suggested here are not worth the money IMHO. And we do not belong to a country club, but I’m not sure why that matters.


A 3.7 is excellent at some schools. Do you know the grading curves at every school? Do you know how competitive Stuy/Bronx Science/Brooklyn Tech are? Slacker is an extremely harsh word to use about someone else's child. Perhaps they use that in your sad world, but I don't use that about someone else's kid. Especially one who got into an extremely competitive HS (likely much more competitive than where your kids went) and is doing quite well there - perhaps not top of the class, but perfectly fine.

And the country club comment was because you clearly lack social skills so would not be wanted at a country club, or an Ivy reunion, or even a normal BBQ. You are a jerk. But I'm sure you are super proud of those Ivy stickers on the back of your car. Do you have one for your "slacker" child or have they been completely ostracized. FFS.
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Anonymous wrote:Apologies that I am posting as a NYC parent but this group is so helpful! My 10th gr DS it a giant NYC selective public school. I feel like he's going to fall between the cracks in college admissions. Too strong for the "awesomely average" group, not strong enough for the 4.0/1500 group. Not super interested in rah-rah and I worry he'll get lost at a giant state school, but also worry he won't find his people at a tiny LAC. Very NOT quirky. Just a normal hard-working bright teenage boy who likes playing sports and "chilling" with his many friends, and likes the challenge of being surrounded by the smart kids at his school. Has a 3.7 and I'm guessing SAT will land somewhere around 1400?? At his school this is middle of the pack - about 20% of kids get into Ivy+. Best subjects are history and math, but will probably apply as a humanities major since there are so freaking many genius STEM kids. The school is so large that Naviance scattergrams look like a giant ink blot and literally everything appears to be a reach. Anyone here have a kid with a comparable profile? We will of course apply to many SUNYs, but want a solid list of privates as well. We are fortunate to be able to pay in full.


MY advice is more general

- Academically dig in a little more to history and math potential major and how that ties into quality of program, alumni, and post graduation plans when building the list. My kid applied with social science area as potential major and also enjoyed math but didn’t have the heavy STEM background to be sure about it as a major or for it to help versus hurt by putting that as intnded major. I think 100% that being at a SLAC made it easier to make the decision to major in math and be in environment where they weren’t starting behind by only taking AP Calc in high school. That said, now looking for a job and not grad school, they wish they had done Math/Econ or something else with Math to help in the job hunt and even the internship experiences prior.

- Socially your kid can probably make it work at a larger school or a medium size SLAC. First they have to decide Greek Life or not. Then how do people not in Greek life either by choice or didn’t get a bid where they wanted or with friends - how are they making friends, finding roommates, being social etc. and does that feel likely for your son if he went there? I wasn’t in Greek Life at what felt like a Greek heavy school and there were times it felt tough. I think the location of not having much to get to without a car off campus gave Greek parties even more social importance. My kids wanted to be more suburban/urban and went for schools where many different people could thrive and you didn’t have to be one way to fit in.


- As for suggested schools, I would have made similar suggestions about American/GW, Pitt, Syracuse, University of Rochester, Richmond, if willing to attend Catholic school look at some of the Catholic colleges on the east Coast, and consider if open to any mid-west colleges.


Above PP has a point regarding understanding where various liberal arts majors may lead to. If your son is interested in humanities and social sciences, also consider English and Political Science. These are other classic liberal arts majors. I believe English is short of male majors. Regarding history, I'd check to make sure your kid had areas/periods of specific interest and that the school supports them well. Review the departmental websites and look at faculty count and bios. In my opinion, the departments are too small at some SLACs for you to have access to a large variety of classes and faculty. That can be a risk if you end up not vibing with the department chair or key gatekeeping professors.

I know you are leery of big schools but the University of Michigan likes your DS's high school and New Yorkers. Just started ED and may still allow TO. DCUM says that private DMV school students don't have to have the 3.8 that seems to be the typical cutoff line for in-staters. (My son is in-state LSA social sciences and was around 3.9 unweighted). There will probably be an AO visiting your school as well as college fairs. Definitely try to do that if of interest.

I know that DMV kids tend to have 1500+ SATs but there may be wiggle room for your high school Michigan. Your kid would certainly get into Michigan State if that's of interest.

Michigan has a "Residential College" that offers a four year living experience while getting a liberal arts degree with special seminars and course requirements. Look into that if interested in a more SLAC-like experience.

Michigan is a purple state with a female Democrat Governor (and not the first either). Pete Buttigieg lives here now. The two big universities have lots of kids from Oakland County which is a demographically affluent county similar to Montgomery County, Maryland.

This is a random idea but it aligns with the interest pattern and possible hooks. Also your kid's credentials would line up well with in-state students. Michigan kids are smart but we don't have relentless grinding and SAT prep norms in many of our school districts. Simply put, it's a quite different environment from high-competition areas like DMV and NYC top publics.


PPs advice is generally solid though Michigan centric. Their comment about SLACs is solidly off base but typical among those who have no actual experience with SLACs
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