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Measles seems to have been brought here by the March for Life folks. Ave Maria students attended the march (and were hosted by St John’s Church in McLean)
https://www.npr.org/2026/02/08/nx-s1-5705972/measles-march-for-life-dc-reagan-national-union-station-metro |
Aren't you still arguing that complication rates are down with better nutrition (et al.), or are we still using the same standard complication rates as previously for both vaccination and infection? |
Way to teach your children to spread filthy contagious diseases. |
Are you taunting or clueless? Republicans are either cult members or terrified. Even a handful of Republicans switched sides in the House (doubtful but possible), do you know how many would have to vote to reach 2/3 in Senate... like 20! With this bunch of spineless traitors, it isn't even worth talking about. They would rather watch children die of a totally preventable disease than challenge Trump. The Republicans are hopeless |
PP. You misunderstand. No expectation whatsoever that Congress will act. Point is it has the power and responsibility to clean up this mess starting today. Tired of people wringing their hands and saying nothing can be done to control Trump. Congress could. |
Lovely. Wish those so called "pro lifers" understood what measles does to pregnant women and babies too young to be vaccinated. |
I’m using whatever numbers your compatriots posted. If you have better ones, feel free to post them. |
So what is the cite for the 3.8 million from, again? Just to keep it clear. |
The birth cohort for recent years, and it was 3.6. You can pick other years, but the number will just increase as those cohorts were bigger. |
What's the cite for the number you are using, again? (That means your refence, not just the number.) |
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PS: While I'm waiting to hear back from you on that, here is the most useful current article on SSPE, from the July 2025 edition of Seminars in Pediatric Neurology, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40701692/ :
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PPS: More specifically, SSPE is a sequelae of infection with a strain of measles virus that contains the PEA motif (residues P64, E89, and especially A209) in the matrix protein. 9 out of the 10 gene sequenced wild-type measles virus strains contain that PEA motif, but the vaccine strains do not. The vaccine strains have an SKT motif (S64, K89, T209) instead. Measles viruses with the SKT motif have never been isolated in cases of SSPE, and neither has the one wild-type strain which does not have the PEA motif (i.e., genotype B3 with PET). So I'm not likely to concede that you are going to be killing a certain number of children a year via SSPE by giving them the measles vaccine. I would, however, like to be accurate in the predictions of how many would be likely to die from complications of measles infection, and for that I would first look at your reference for the number you gave. |
You guys are arguing over a detail that is irrelevant. Even if the measles vaccine does kill 1/million people that get it. Measles is much more dangerous. Before the vaccine we had 3-4 million cases a year. So the number of deaths from measles each year was well in excess of 1,000 per year. Even if vaccine does kill 4 people a year that is much better than 1,000+ people dying from measles each year. Antivaxxers are incapable of understanding math apparently. |
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I'll always strive to answer questions correctly. The math may not matter to you, but the facts of the matter do seem to matter to some. Personally, I'm happy to whack that mole publicly. Feel free to skip the posts you aren't interested in.
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People who really know their stuff are my jam. |