Does the academic giftedness that comes with autism outweigh the social struggles?

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

All debatable and not accepted across the board.

Just wrong.

There are a thousand detractors once you get above an accepted 140 range. Throw in2e, who by all standards are untestable no one knows true iq of someone with a disability and high iq. There are “leveling” factors they blanket apply - but 2e are unquantified and current unquantifiable.

Truth.

MENSA uses 130 as last “confident” qualifier.

Total guessing game due to such rare candidates in 140. Above that is like 1 in million or 10 million and no one can or will invest to use to identify them.

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Yes.

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Don't they die early? Happened in our family. They just know how to complicate life.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm asking because our 3yo DS was just diagnosed with autism. While part of me is worried that he won't fit in socially when he goes to school, another part of me is relieved that he will undoubtedly excel effortlessly, as autism tends to come with academic giftedness. He'll probably graduate high school in the top 1% of his class and go to a T20 college. I know I can't change the fact that he has autism, but I still can't help wondering if his academic and financial success will make his social challenges worth-it.

OP, this question is a bit offensive. Let the diagnosis settle. You may think differently about it in a few years.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

All debatable and not accepted across the board.

Just wrong.

There are a thousand detractors once you get above an accepted 140 range. Throw in2e, who by all standards are untestable no one knows true iq of someone with a disability and high iq. There are “leveling” factors they blanket apply - but 2e are unquantified and current unquantifiable.

Truth.

MENSA uses 130 as last “confident” qualifier.

Total guessing game due to such rare candidates in 140. Above that is like 1 in million or 10 million and no one can or will invest to use to identify them.

I’m a member and don’t think this is true. A kid even scored a 162 on Mensa’s own I. Q. Test. Cite please.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

All debatable and not accepted across the board.

Just wrong.

There are a thousand detractors once you get above an accepted 140 range. Throw in2e, who by all standards are untestable no one knows true iq of someone with a disability and high iq. There are “leveling” factors they blanket apply - but 2e are unquantified and current unquantifiable.

Truth.

MENSA uses 130 as last “confident” qualifier.

Total guessing game due to such rare candidates in 140. Above that is like 1 in million or 10 million and no one can or will invest to use to identify them.

And it’s not MENSA in caps, it’s Mensa, Latin for table

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Anonymous wrote:Don't they die early? Happened in our family. They just know how to complicate life.

Yes, at about 36.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't they die early? Happened in our family. They just know how to complicate life.

Yes, at about 36.

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OP, don’t read this. This is usually only a subset of autism with severe intellectual disabilities with complications (google it). Only the most severe. Our Asperger’s type (yes I know… but I think that’s what OP is confused about) high IQ daughter is 31. Shes healthy living on her own, fully employed and on doctor has ever even hinted at this.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't they die early? Happened in our family. They just know how to complicate life.

Yes, at about 36.

OP, don’t read this. This is usually only a subset of autism with severe intellectual disabilities with complications (google it). Only the most severe. [b]Our Asperger’s type (yes I know… but I think that’s what OP is confused about) high IQ daughter is 31. Shes healthy living on her own, fully employed and on doctor has ever even hinted at this.

I never said there weren’t exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Get your child tested for cerebral folate deficiency and if positive find someone to prescribe Leucovorin. This was an absolute game changer for my autistic son. Yours is quite young and if positive may have even more benefit. An autism diagnosis these days should be followed by a medical workup to look for factors you can address, not just parental therapy ( although this helps too!).

-hugs and good luck

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Anonymous wrote:Don't they die early? Happened in our family. They just know how to complicate life.

Yes, at about 36.

If they’re lucky. Many die earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

All debatable and not accepted across the board.

Just wrong.

There are a thousand detractors once you get above an accepted 140 range. Throw in2e, who by all standards are untestable no one knows true iq of someone with a disability and high iq. There are “leveling” factors they blanket apply - but 2e are unquantified and current unquantifiable.

Truth.

MENSA uses 130 as last “confident” qualifier.

Total guessing game due to such rare candidates in 140. Above that is like 1 in million or 10 million and no one can or will invest to use to identify them.

This is absurd. An IQ of 140 is a 4 in 1000 event, not a 1 in a million or 10 million event.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

All debatable and not accepted across the board.

Just wrong.

There are a thousand detractors once you get above an accepted 140 range. Throw in2e, who by all standards are untestable no one knows true iq of someone with a disability and high iq. There are “leveling” factors they blanket apply - but 2e are unquantified and current unquantifiable.

Truth.

MENSA uses 130 as last “confident” qualifier.

Total guessing game due to such rare candidates in 140. Above that is like 1 in million or 10 million and no one can or will invest to use to identify them.

This is absurd. An IQ of 140 is a 4 in 1000 event, not a 1 in a million or 10 million event.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't they die early? Happened in our family. They just know how to complicate life.

Yes, at about 36.

If they’re lucky. Many die earlier.

Some die later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Get your child tested for cerebral folate deficiency and if positive find someone to prescribe Leucovorin. This was an absolute game changer for my autistic son. Yours is quite young and if positive may have even more benefit. An autism diagnosis these days should be followed by a medical workup to look for factors you can address, not just parental therapy ( although this helps too!).

-hugs and good luck

Is there evidence behind this testing and treatment?