Does the academic giftedness that comes with autism outweigh the social struggles?

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all of the replies, but my inattentive ADHD kid (so not diagnosed on the spectrum, but probably high-functioning) is gifted in math / logic / analytical reasoning, but below-average in working memory - he doesn't even go to college.

There are plenty of high-paying jobs that don’t require a college degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

All debatable and not accepted across the board.

Just wrong.

There are a thousand detractors once you get above an accepted 140 range. Throw in2e, who by all standards are untestable no one knows true iq of someone with a disability and high iq. There are “leveling” factors they blanket apply - but 2e are unquantified and current unquantifiable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

IQ has no upper boundaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

IQ has no upper boundaries.

What about lower boundaries?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

All debatable and not accepted across the board.

Just wrong.

There are a thousand detractors once you get above an accepted 140 range. Throw in2e, who by all standards are untestable no one knows true iq of someone with a disability and high iq. There are “leveling” factors they blanket apply - but 2e are unquantified and current unquantifiable.

It's verbatim what AI gives you when you ask. Verbatim. So it's you against all the other information out there in the world. Insert "how high I.Q. test" and read.

[Anonymous]

OP, your premise is wrong. You must be thinking about what used to be called Asperger's syndrome, but that is a very small subset of autism.

Only 30% of autistics have an I.Q. above 115. https://www.mastermindbehavior.com/post/smart-people-with-autism.

[Anonymous]

Yes. Everybody hates me everywhere I go. I’ve never been laid off. People get mad when I quit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

+1
I was told this by Doctors as well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, your premise is wrong. You must be thinking about what used to be called Asperger's syndrome, but that is a very small subset of autism.

Only 30% of autistics have an I.Q. above 115. https://www.mastermindbehavior.com/post/smart-people-with-autism.

115 is an above-average IQ. Average is 100.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure at what age gifted is actually measured. And no kid cares about it and will be mean. Period.

I have a kid with adhd and an overall iq over 140, adjusted or not for working memory.

Their working merry is 105.
Completely average working memory which means while they can do a Dubois be in 4 seconds they cannot hold a meaningful conversation with a peer. Or at least one the peer can relate to.

We hear about all the famous people like Einstein, Jefferson, Franklin, Tesla, etc who had some social issues but high iq.
Elon musk is there too. They were revered and hero’s with their quirks; not so much as kids I bet.

that still means growing up sucks, they have a tough road and maybe they win the lottery and find a professional life that works for them. They would be the exception, not the norm; and it is highly unlikely your kid is the next Einstein.

While a 140 iq puts my kid in 99%, does not bode well as those famous people who pulled off legendary careers were closer to 160 or above (speculation is Einstein was 170 range).

An IQ of 170 or above is not measurable. Really even at 140-150 is an educated guess.

Because you would literally need people smarter than you are testing to develop the test. And those people do not exist in high numbers within our population or are not working in the field.

Gifted to 130 or so is about the best we confidently quantify.

Especially 2e kids that we cannot decipher gifted from disabilities. They are kind of the new frontier- almost like x-men comics because we understand so little.

False. On the WISC-V and WAIS-V, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the Stanford-Binet 5, the ceiling score is 160, 4SDs above the mean.

On the WISC Extended Norms, the celing score is 210.

On the Stanford-Binet Form LM, the ceiling score is undefined. It uses ratio IQ and the highest I’m aware of is 440, 22 mental age at 5 chronological age. The ratio IQ can be loosely translated to deviation so the ceiling is around 210, perhaps higher.

It’s possible to get an IQ above 160 because tests have maximum IQs of above 160.

IQ has no upper boundaries.

What about lower boundaries?

Brain death. Just off the top of my head, I’d guess that being brain dead is the lower boundary. Even unconscious people have reflexes. Not sure if the test is written that way, but I’d define brain death as an IQ of 0. (Not a doctor, just enjoy the thought experiment.)

[Anonymous]

No.

[Anonymous]

Hell no.