Why are younger men so right wing?

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Anonymous wrote:If you can’t see the hostility to young men, particularly straight white men, in the modern Left’s messaging you are willfully blind.

The entire identity/diversity movement is based on excluding straight white men.

What does BIPOC mean? It means “not white.”

What does it mean if an organization lacks diversity? It means too many men and/or too many white people. It never means too few men or white people.

If you are a young man who hasn’t found a place in the world you feel targeted, and you aren’t wrong.

This article is one perspective on the phenomenon: https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

If the Democrats want to turn things around they need to understand that a young man coming of age in 2025 (particularly white men) finds himself in the minority, often a small minority, in universities, corporate America, the media, and every other path towards a stable upper middle class existence.

The Ivy League today is only roughly one third white and a bit over 50% female… leaving white males at roughly 15% of undergrads. Meanwhile they continue to be told that they are somehow responsible for every ill of the generations that came before them and that they are “privileged.”

Yes, there are still many white men in senior positions across America, but they are men from a different generation (often still baby boomers) and their experience was totally different from a young man today.

The old school Democratic Party wanted union voters, rural voters, working class white people who celebrated America, but the modern party is increasingly urban, coastal, and intolerant of anyone that deviates from their orthodoxy.

Does that make Trump a good alternative? Obviously not… but at this point you are dealing with voters who feel like they only have bad choices.

When someone is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

I can't take any of the whining by white men seriously.

Men coming of age in 2025 are hardly “accustomed to privilege.”

This does illustrate nicely the paradox of modern identity politics though, there is no more powerful status than victim hood, which is why it is so important that men (particularly straight white men) are excluded from claiming it.

Oh please. Nobody is excluding straight white men from victimhood. Trump is their role model.

Absolutely. Teflon Don has taught them that if you’re a white male, particularly a wealthy one, you can get away with anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, but the right doesn’t actually DO anything. They make up problems that they then “solve,” and eventually the marks will figure it out.

Like the border?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, but the right doesn’t actually DO anything. They make up problems that they then “solve,” and eventually the marks will figure it out.

Like the border?

Yes, exactly.

That’s a perfect example, actually, thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.

Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.

If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Trump is masculine?

I’m the PP who wrote that and yes, I do. Or rather, I recognize that most voters do. It is unfortunate because I despise Trump, but he is objectively funny and codes masculine to most voters. He speaks roughly, doesn’t use the baffling language of the progressive left, and makes people laugh. That’s masculine, whether you want to admit it or not.

Uh, no, that is not masculine in my book.

Because you are a very liberal white woman. To most of the rest of the voting population, that is clearly masculine.

Let me put it this way. Let’s say there was a national poll on this question: Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?

There is only one demographic that would pick Walz over Trump, and that is liberal white women. It is possible that black women would lean Walz but it would be tight. But no other demographic would come close.

Personally this drives me nuts but I can recognize reality.

Trump masculine I can't stop laughing. He's a narcissist cry baby. Masculine

Shrug. You are welcome to keep ceding political ground to the Republicans by refusing to face reality if you want. Me, I want to have a Democratic Party that has even a small chance of winning a national election in my lifetime again, and I know that won’t happen without being clear-eyed about the milquetoast candidates the Democrats keep putting forward.

You know I’m right. That’s why you are deflecting. In a national poll about who is more masculine, Trump would trounce Walz, except among very liberal whites women. And that’s a serious problem for Democrats.

Stop with the garbage....if "men" and you I suppose feel trump and his abusive and disgusting behavior towards other humans is masculine then we have a serious societal issue.

I think that’s really it - masculinity has come to mean cruelty. What else about Trump is masculine? His vanity? Obsession with gold leaf and fancy ballrooms? His makeup? The only sport he plays is golf, which is hardly the past time of gladiators. But he is a real a-hole, which is I guess what being masculine is now.

The more masculine they try to look the less it’s believable. MAGA is masculine in the same way that the Village People are manly.

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Anonymous wrote:If you can’t see the hostility to young men, particularly straight white men, in the modern Left’s messaging you are willfully blind.

The entire identity/diversity movement is based on excluding straight white men.

What does BIPOC mean? It means “not white.”

What does it mean if an organization lacks diversity? It means too many men and/or too many white people. It never means too few men or white people.

If you are a young man who hasn’t found a place in the world you feel targeted, and you aren’t wrong.

This article is one perspective on the phenomenon: https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

If the Democrats want to turn things around they need to understand that a young man coming of age in 2025 (particularly white men) finds himself in the minority, often a small minority, in universities, corporate America, the media, and every other path towards a stable upper middle class existence.

The Ivy League today is only roughly one third white and a bit over 50% female… leaving white males at roughly 15% of undergrads. Meanwhile they continue to be told that they are somehow responsible for every ill of the generations that came before them and that they are “privileged.”

Yes, there are still many white men in senior positions across America, but they are men from a different generation (often still baby boomers) and their experience was totally different from a young man today.

The old school Democratic Party wanted union voters, rural voters, working class white people who celebrated America, but the modern party is increasingly urban, coastal, and intolerant of anyone that deviates from their orthodoxy.

Does that make Trump a good alternative? Obviously not… but at this point you are dealing with voters who feel like they only have bad choices.

I'm so tired of hearing whining about the poor white male. How about we just all treat others like humans....I know crazy idea. Conservatives want to believe in god great they should but white conservative christians can't go around trying to control the rest of the people. Stop making excuses for white conservative men having tantrums because they can't control and force others to do things their way. I find conservative the most intolerant and often nasty humans and if you all truly believe that Trump was the better of the two options then you are a huge part of the problem.

How do you get “control other people “ out of that?

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

Go away Miller....real men are decent and they treat others with respect. They don't believe in MAGA BS.

The choice isn’t binary. You can not be liberal AND not be MAGA.

That you believe otherwise demonstrates the problem with liberals.

No, the MAGAs label everything that isn’t cruel and stupid, liberal.

Don’t like pedos? Liberal.

Want your tax money used to help people? Liberal.

Think that we shouldn’t elect crybaby traitors?

Oh, you bet that’s liberal.

The country has been dragged so far right that wiping and washing your hands is probably liberal.

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.

Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.

If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Trump is masculine?

I’m the PP who wrote that and yes, I do. Or rather, I recognize that most voters do. It is unfortunate because I despise Trump, but he is objectively funny and codes masculine to most voters. He speaks roughly, doesn’t use the baffling language of the progressive left, and makes people laugh. That’s masculine, whether you want to admit it or not.

Uh, no, that is not masculine in my book.

Because you are a very liberal white woman. To most of the rest of the voting population, that is clearly masculine.

Let me put it this way. Let’s say there was a national poll on this question: Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?

There is only one demographic that would pick Walz over Trump, and that is liberal white women. It is possible that black women would lean Walz but it would be tight. But no other demographic would come close.

Personally this drives me nuts but I can recognize reality.

Trump masculine I can't stop laughing. He's a narcissist cry baby. Masculine

Shrug. You are welcome to keep ceding political ground to the Republicans by refusing to face reality if you want. Me, I want to have a Democratic Party that has even a small chance of winning a national election in my lifetime again, and I know that won’t happen without being clear-eyed about the milquetoast candidates the Democrats keep putting forward.

You know I’m right. That’s why you are deflecting. In a national poll about who is more masculine, Trump would trounce Walz, except among very liberal whites women. And that’s a serious problem for Democrats.

Stop with the garbage....if "men" and you I suppose feel trump and his abusive and disgusting behavior towards other humans is masculine then we have a serious societal issue.

You keep avoiding the question. So let’s ask again. In a national poll across all demographic groups, who would win when the question is “Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?”

You are avoiding answering because you know Trump would trounce Walz across the board, except for liberal white women. And yes, that is a problem. But your approach of avoidance doesn’t solve the problem. It does demonstrate why Democrats are so incompetent on the national stage, however.

You’re asking a nonsensical question and then answering it yourself, based on your own gut feeling and preference.

There is no real answer, because there are two different versions of masculinity that Americans subscribe to. There’s the fake WWE dominance and aggression version that MAGA likes, and then there’s the solid strength/protection/skill/reliability version that the rest of us see as masculinity.

If the poll asked Americans more specific questions, the answers would probably not be what you’re expecting:

If you had a flat, who would you trust to help you change it?

If your toilet was clogged, who would you trust more to fix it?

Who has funnier jokes? (Answer will vary depending on whether you prefer dad jokes or nasty misogynist punchdowns)

Who would you rather have as a husband? As a father? As a boss?

Who could physically defeat a MMA rival in hand to hand combat? (Trick question: neither). Followup question: how often do you need an MMA rival defeated in hand to hand combat?

Who would you choose to deliver a devastating insult to your enemies? (I’d pick Walz over Trump. Trump’s vocabulary and repertoire are limited and crude. Walz can call someone “weird” and make it stick.)

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Anonymous wrote:If you can’t see the hostility to young men, particularly straight white men, in the modern Left’s messaging you are willfully blind.

The entire identity/diversity movement is based on excluding straight white men.

What does BIPOC mean? It means “not white.”

What does it mean if an organization lacks diversity? It means too many men and/or too many white people. It never means too few men or white people.

If you are a young man who hasn’t found a place in the world you feel targeted, and you aren’t wrong.

This article is one perspective on the phenomenon: https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

If the Democrats want to turn things around they need to understand that a young man coming of age in 2025 (particularly white men) finds himself in the minority, often a small minority, in universities, corporate America, the media, and every other path towards a stable upper middle class existence.

The Ivy League today is only roughly one third white and a bit over 50% female… leaving white males at roughly 15% of undergrads. Meanwhile they continue to be told that they are somehow responsible for every ill of the generations that came before them and that they are “privileged.”

Yes, there are still many white men in senior positions across America, but they are men from a different generation (often still baby boomers) and their experience was totally different from a young man today.

The old school Democratic Party wanted union voters, rural voters, working class white people who celebrated America, but the modern party is increasingly urban, coastal, and intolerant of anyone that deviates from their orthodoxy.

Does that make Trump a good alternative? Obviously not… but at this point you are dealing with voters who feel like they only have bad choices.

I'm so tired of hearing whining about the poor white male. How about we just all treat others like humans....I know crazy idea. Conservatives want to believe in god great they should but white conservative christians can't go around trying to control the rest of the people. Stop making excuses for white conservative men having tantrums because they can't control and force others to do things their way. I find conservative the most intolerant and often nasty humans and if you all truly believe that Trump was the better of the two options then you are a huge part of the problem.

How do you get “control other people “ out of that?

The far right does seem controlling. They would ban gay marriage if they could, but thankfully the Supreme Court rejected this. They have Christian nationalists with very regressive views toward women, believing they need to "submit" to their husbands or even Hegseth who supports a church thar would repeal the 19th amendment. They would restrict abortion even in cases of rape. The revere folks like Charlie Kirk who used the bible as an excuse for misogyny, saying Taylor Swift needs to "submit" to her husband as she is "not in charge." While much of this is not enshrined in law (other than certain states with very strict abortion law, for instance TX which saw a 50% rise in 2nd trimester sepsis cases), it is still a concerning trend.

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.

Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.

If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Trump is masculine?

I’m the PP who wrote that and yes, I do. Or rather, I recognize that most voters do. It is unfortunate because I despise Trump, but he is objectively funny and codes masculine to most voters. He speaks roughly, doesn’t use the baffling language of the progressive left, and makes people laugh. That’s masculine, whether you want to admit it or not.

Uh, no, that is not masculine in my book.

Because you are a very liberal white woman. To most of the rest of the voting population, that is clearly masculine.

Let me put it this way. Let’s say there was a national poll on this question: Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?

There is only one demographic that would pick Walz over Trump, and that is liberal white women. It is possible that black women would lean Walz but it would be tight. But no other demographic would come close.

Personally this drives me nuts but I can recognize reality.

Trump masculine I can't stop laughing. He's a narcissist cry baby. Masculine

Shrug. You are welcome to keep ceding political ground to the Republicans by refusing to face reality if you want. Me, I want to have a Democratic Party that has even a small chance of winning a national election in my lifetime again, and I know that won’t happen without being clear-eyed about the milquetoast candidates the Democrats keep putting forward.

You know I’m right. That’s why you are deflecting. In a national poll about who is more masculine, Trump would trounce Walz, except among very liberal whites women. And that’s a serious problem for Democrats.

Stop with the garbage....if "men" and you I suppose feel trump and his abusive and disgusting behavior towards other humans is masculine then we have a serious societal issue.

You keep avoiding the question. So let’s ask again. In a national poll across all demographic groups, who would win when the question is “Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?”

You are avoiding answering because you know Trump would trounce Walz across the board, except for liberal white women. And yes, that is a problem. But your approach of avoidance doesn’t solve the problem. It does demonstrate why Democrats are so incompetent on the national stage, however.

You’re asking a nonsensical question and then answering it yourself, based on your own gut feeling and preference.

There is no real answer, because there are two different versions of masculinity that Americans subscribe to. There’s the fake WWE dominance and aggression version that MAGA likes, and then there’s the solid strength/protection/skill/reliability version that the rest of us see as masculinity.

If the poll asked Americans more specific questions, the answers would probably not be what you’re expecting:

If you had a flat, who would you trust to help you change it?

If your toilet was clogged, who would you trust more to fix it?

Who has funnier jokes? (Answer will vary depending on whether you prefer dad jokes or nasty misogynist punchdowns)

Who would you rather have as a husband? As a father? As a boss?

Who could physically defeat a MMA rival in hand to hand combat? (Trick question: neither). Followup question: how often do you need an MMA rival defeated in hand to hand combat?

Who would you choose to deliver a devastating insult to your enemies? (I’d pick Walz over Trump. Trump’s vocabulary and repertoire are limited and crude. Walz can call someone “weird” and make it stick.)

This is a long way of openly admitting that Trump, even deeply unpopular Trump now, would trounce Walz in a presidential election.

Also, since you don’t seem too grounded in election reality, an FYI: the “weird” thing from Walz in the last election was an abject failure for him. He made it stick, alright—to the Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:They bought into grievance

You refuse to acknowledge it. How about, for example, we go back to requiring test scores for college admissions especially at state colleges? Holistic admissions originated in discrimination. But yet you continue to support it.

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Ewww! PP said Trump is masculine. Gross. No.

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.

Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.

If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Trump is masculine?

I’m the PP who wrote that and yes, I do. Or rather, I recognize that most voters do. It is unfortunate because I despise Trump, but he is objectively funny and codes masculine to most voters. He speaks roughly, doesn’t use the baffling language of the progressive left, and makes people laugh. That’s masculine, whether you want to admit it or not.

Uh, no, that is not masculine in my book.

Because you are a very liberal white woman. To most of the rest of the voting population, that is clearly masculine.

Let me put it this way. Let’s say there was a national poll on this question: Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?

There is only one demographic that would pick Walz over Trump, and that is liberal white women. It is possible that black women would lean Walz but it would be tight. But no other demographic would come close.

Personally this drives me nuts but I can recognize reality.

Trump masculine I can't stop laughing. He's a narcissist cry baby. Masculine

Shrug. You are welcome to keep ceding political ground to the Republicans by refusing to face reality if you want. Me, I want to have a Democratic Party that has even a small chance of winning a national election in my lifetime again, and I know that won’t happen without being clear-eyed about the milquetoast candidates the Democrats keep putting forward.

You know I’m right. That’s why you are deflecting. In a national poll about who is more masculine, Trump would trounce Walz, except among very liberal whites women. And that’s a serious problem for Democrats.

Stop with the garbage....if "men" and you I suppose feel trump and his abusive and disgusting behavior towards other humans is masculine then we have a serious societal issue.

You keep avoiding the question. So let’s ask again. In a national poll across all demographic groups, who would win when the question is “Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?”

You are avoiding answering because you know Trump would trounce Walz across the board, except for liberal white women. And yes, that is a problem. But your approach of avoidance doesn’t solve the problem. It does demonstrate why Democrats are so incompetent on the national stage, however.

You’re asking a nonsensical question and then answering it yourself, based on your own gut feeling and preference.

There is no real answer, because there are two different versions of masculinity that Americans subscribe to. There’s the fake WWE dominance and aggression version that MAGA likes, and then there’s the solid strength/protection/skill/reliability version that the rest of us see as masculinity.

If the poll asked Americans more specific questions, the answers would probably not be what you’re expecting:

If you had a flat, who would you trust to help you change it?

If your toilet was clogged, who would you trust more to fix it?

Who has funnier jokes? (Answer will vary depending on whether you prefer dad jokes or nasty misogynist punchdowns)

Who would you rather have as a husband? As a father? As a boss?

Who could physically defeat a MMA rival in hand to hand combat? (Trick question: neither). Followup question: how often do you need an MMA rival defeated in hand to hand combat?

Who would you choose to deliver a devastating insult to your enemies? (I’d pick Walz over Trump. Trump’s vocabulary and repertoire are limited and crude. Walz can call someone “weird” and make it stick.)

This is a long way of openly admitting that Trump, even deeply unpopular Trump now, would trounce Walz in a presidential election.

Also, since you don’t seem too grounded in election reality, an FYI: the “weird” thing from Walz in the last election was an abject failure for him. He made it stick, alright—to the Democrats.

NP. You're right, the use of "weird" fell flat. What he SHOULD have said is "batshit crazy," "f'ng nuts," or "evil incarnate" instead because those much better capture Trump and his administration.

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.

Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.

If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Trump is masculine?

I’m the PP who wrote that and yes, I do. Or rather, I recognize that most voters do. It is unfortunate because I despise Trump, but he is objectively funny and codes masculine to most voters. He speaks roughly, doesn’t use the baffling language of the progressive left, and makes people laugh. That’s masculine, whether you want to admit it or not.

Uh, no, that is not masculine in my book.

Because you are a very liberal white woman. To most of the rest of the voting population, that is clearly masculine.

Let me put it this way. Let’s say there was a national poll on this question: Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?

There is only one demographic that would pick Walz over Trump, and that is liberal white women. It is possible that black women would lean Walz but it would be tight. But no other demographic would come close.

Personally this drives me nuts but I can recognize reality.

Trump masculine I can't stop laughing. He's a narcissist cry baby. Masculine

Shrug. You are welcome to keep ceding political ground to the Republicans by refusing to face reality if you want. Me, I want to have a Democratic Party that has even a small chance of winning a national election in my lifetime again, and I know that won’t happen without being clear-eyed about the milquetoast candidates the Democrats keep putting forward.

You know I’m right. That’s why you are deflecting. In a national poll about who is more masculine, Trump would trounce Walz, except among very liberal whites women. And that’s a serious problem for Democrats.

Stop with the garbage....if "men" and you I suppose feel trump and his abusive and disgusting behavior towards other humans is masculine then we have a serious societal issue.

You keep avoiding the question. So let’s ask again. In a national poll across all demographic groups, who would win when the question is “Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?”

You are avoiding answering because you know Trump would trounce Walz across the board, except for liberal white women. And yes, that is a problem. But your approach of avoidance doesn’t solve the problem. It does demonstrate why Democrats are so incompetent on the national stage, however.

You’re asking a nonsensical question and then answering it yourself, based on your own gut feeling and preference.

There is no real answer, because there are two different versions of masculinity that Americans subscribe to. There’s the fake WWE dominance and aggression version that MAGA likes, and then there’s the solid strength/protection/skill/reliability version that the rest of us see as masculinity.

If the poll asked Americans more specific questions, the answers would probably not be what you’re expecting:

If you had a flat, who would you trust to help you change it?

If your toilet was clogged, who would you trust more to fix it?

Who has funnier jokes? (Answer will vary depending on whether you prefer dad jokes or nasty misogynist punchdowns)

Who would you rather have as a husband? As a father? As a boss?

Who could physically defeat a MMA rival in hand to hand combat? (Trick question: neither). Followup question: how often do you need an MMA rival defeated in hand to hand combat?

Who would you choose to deliver a devastating insult to your enemies? (I’d pick Walz over Trump. Trump’s vocabulary and repertoire are limited and crude. Walz can call someone “weird” and make it stick.)

This is a long way of openly admitting that Trump, even deeply unpopular Trump now, would trounce Walz in a presidential election.

Also, since you don’t seem too grounded in election reality, an FYI: the “weird” thing from Walz in the last election was an abject failure for him. He made it stick, alright—to the Democrats.

That was a lot of cope. I want those ten seconds back that you just wasted.

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.

Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.

If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Trump is masculine?

I’m the PP who wrote that and yes, I do. Or rather, I recognize that most voters do. It is unfortunate because I despise Trump, but he is objectively funny and codes masculine to most voters. He speaks roughly, doesn’t use the baffling language of the progressive left, and makes people laugh. That’s masculine, whether you want to admit it or not.

Uh, no, that is not masculine in my book.

Because you are a very liberal white woman. To most of the rest of the voting population, that is clearly masculine.

Let me put it this way. Let’s say there was a national poll on this question: Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?

There is only one demographic that would pick Walz over Trump, and that is liberal white women. It is possible that black women would lean Walz but it would be tight. But no other demographic would come close.

Personally this drives me nuts but I can recognize reality.

Trump masculine I can't stop laughing. He's a narcissist cry baby. Masculine

Shrug. You are welcome to keep ceding political ground to the Republicans by refusing to face reality if you want. Me, I want to have a Democratic Party that has even a small chance of winning a national election in my lifetime again, and I know that won’t happen without being clear-eyed about the milquetoast candidates the Democrats keep putting forward.

You know I’m right. That’s why you are deflecting. In a national poll about who is more masculine, Trump would trounce Walz, except among very liberal whites women. And that’s a serious problem for Democrats.

Stop with the garbage....if "men" and you I suppose feel trump and his abusive and disgusting behavior towards other humans is masculine then we have a serious societal issue.

You keep avoiding the question. So let’s ask again. In a national poll across all demographic groups, who would win when the question is “Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?”

You are avoiding answering because you know Trump would trounce Walz across the board, except for liberal white women. And yes, that is a problem. But your approach of avoidance doesn’t solve the problem. It does demonstrate why Democrats are so incompetent on the national stage, however.

You’re asking a nonsensical question and then answering it yourself, based on your own gut feeling and preference.

There is no real answer, because there are two different versions of masculinity that Americans subscribe to. There’s the fake WWE dominance and aggression version that MAGA likes, and then there’s the solid strength/protection/skill/reliability version that the rest of us see as masculinity.

If the poll asked Americans more specific questions, the answers would probably not be what you’re expecting:

If you had a flat, who would you trust to help you change it?

If your toilet was clogged, who would you trust more to fix it?

Who has funnier jokes? (Answer will vary depending on whether you prefer dad jokes or nasty misogynist punchdowns)

Who would you rather have as a husband? As a father? As a boss?

Who could physically defeat a MMA rival in hand to hand combat? (Trick question: neither). Followup question: how often do you need an MMA rival defeated in hand to hand combat?

Who would you choose to deliver a devastating insult to your enemies? (I’d pick Walz over Trump. Trump’s vocabulary and repertoire are limited and crude. Walz can call someone “weird” and make it stick.)

This is a long way of openly admitting that Trump, even deeply unpopular Trump now, would trounce Walz in a presidential election.

Also, since you don’t seem too grounded in election reality, an FYI: the “weird” thing from Walz in the last election was an abject failure for him. He made it stick, alright—to the Democrats.

NP. You're right, the use of "weird" fell flat. What he SHOULD have said is "batshit crazy," "f'ng nuts," or "evil incarnate" instead because those much better capture Trump and his administration.

Sure. But he didn’t. And the PP is delusionally insisting that Walz’s use of “weird” worked, which indicates a complete lack of being tethered to election reality.

The truth is that Walz doesn’t, and didn’t, have the firepower (or “masculinity,” to keep on the topic of the thread) to successfully call Trump and his minions out as “batshit crazy.” He is milquetoast and weak, like all the Democratic male candidates except maybe Mamdani and, if I squint hard, Newsom. And young male voters see that.

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Anonymous wrote:No real man is liberal.

They can’t be. They have actively villainized masculinity for the better part of two decades.
And if—as the lefts tells you all day long — “representation matters” then it might be a good idea of someone on the left would start realizing that demonizing masculine traits in men makes men who have those natural traits feel undervalued and marginalized by what is supposed to be their own party.

Try naming five examples of a masculine democrat male leader in n politics and you’ll see what I mean.

Young men feel abandoned by the left. It’s not that difficult to decipher.
But instead you’d rather demonize him or infantilize him by imagining that he’s gone crazy or is ignorant. He is neither. He just doesn’t buy into hating himself for having natural male traits like ambition, competitiveness, and physical strength. He also might like the idea that one should be rewarded for his own work output capitalist model of America that the left seems to abhor right now.

Likely not impressed by republican leaders. Trump and Vance are not masculine men, Pence is weird, and Obama and Walz definitely are masculine men and strong family men so this argument falls apart just at the recent presidential level.

There is a lot of marketing towards men from the right and kids want to be counter cultural to their parents. Plus as the previous poster said, they likely haven't struggled much. If they are a good person they at least know that many on the right in politics are not speaking in a positive way. You can have conservative values and still hate the political fighting, insults, and lies. There are conservatives that still hated Rush Limbaugh and his kind.

If you think the bolded, you have no idea what masculine means.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Trump is masculine?

I’m the PP who wrote that and yes, I do. Or rather, I recognize that most voters do. It is unfortunate because I despise Trump, but he is objectively funny and codes masculine to most voters. He speaks roughly, doesn’t use the baffling language of the progressive left, and makes people laugh. That’s masculine, whether you want to admit it or not.

Uh, no, that is not masculine in my book.

Because you are a very liberal white woman. To most of the rest of the voting population, that is clearly masculine.

Let me put it this way. Let’s say there was a national poll on this question: Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?

There is only one demographic that would pick Walz over Trump, and that is liberal white women. It is possible that black women would lean Walz but it would be tight. But no other demographic would come close.

Personally this drives me nuts but I can recognize reality.

Trump masculine I can't stop laughing. He's a narcissist cry baby. Masculine

Shrug. You are welcome to keep ceding political ground to the Republicans by refusing to face reality if you want. Me, I want to have a Democratic Party that has even a small chance of winning a national election in my lifetime again, and I know that won’t happen without being clear-eyed about the milquetoast candidates the Democrats keep putting forward.

You know I’m right. That’s why you are deflecting. In a national poll about who is more masculine, Trump would trounce Walz, except among very liberal whites women. And that’s a serious problem for Democrats.

Stop with the garbage....if "men" and you I suppose feel trump and his abusive and disgusting behavior towards other humans is masculine then we have a serious societal issue.

You keep avoiding the question. So let’s ask again. In a national poll across all demographic groups, who would win when the question is “Who is more masculine, Trump or Walz?”

You are avoiding answering because you know Trump would trounce Walz across the board, except for liberal white women. And yes, that is a problem. But your approach of avoidance doesn’t solve the problem. It does demonstrate why Democrats are so incompetent on the national stage, however.

You’re asking a nonsensical question and then answering it yourself, based on your own gut feeling and preference.

There is no real answer, because there are two different versions of masculinity that Americans subscribe to. There’s the fake WWE dominance and aggression version that MAGA likes, and then there’s the solid strength/protection/skill/reliability version that the rest of us see as masculinity.

If the poll asked Americans more specific questions, the answers would probably not be what you’re expecting:

If you had a flat, who would you trust to help you change it?

If your toilet was clogged, who would you trust more to fix it?

Who has funnier jokes? (Answer will vary depending on whether you prefer dad jokes or nasty misogynist punchdowns)

Who would you rather have as a husband? As a father? As a boss?

Who could physically defeat a MMA rival in hand to hand combat? (Trick question: neither). Followup question: how often do you need an MMA rival defeated in hand to hand combat?

Who would you choose to deliver a devastating insult to your enemies? (I’d pick Walz over Trump. Trump’s vocabulary and repertoire are limited and crude. Walz can call someone “weird” and make it stick.)

This is a long way of openly admitting that Trump, even deeply unpopular Trump now, would trounce Walz in a presidential election.

Also, since you don’t seem too grounded in election reality, an FYI: the “weird” thing from Walz in the last election was an abject failure for him. He made it stick, alright—to the Democrats.

NP. You're right, the use of "weird" fell flat. What he SHOULD have said is "batshit crazy," "f'ng nuts," or "evil incarnate" instead because those much better capture Trump and his administration.

Sure. But he didn’t. And the PP is delusionally insisting that Walz’s use of “weird” worked, which indicates a complete lack of being tethered to election reality.

The truth is that Walz doesn’t, and didn’t, have the firepower (or “masculinity,” to keep on the topic of the thread) to successfully call Trump and his minions out as “batshit crazy.” He is milquetoast and weak, like all the Democratic male candidates except maybe Mamdani and, if I squint hard, Newsom. And young male voters see that.

It stuck for awhile, as the polls showed in key swing states, until the DNC asked him to stop using it and the news cycle moved on to something else. It was a perfect insult because the right only feels more empowered if you call them vile or deplorable, but weird? They can’t stand that.

Trump’s insults are crude by comparison, and he lacks the vocabulary to really slice and dice people verbally.

You’re the delusional one here, and it clearly bothers you, or you wouldn’t keep getting mad at facts and using hyperbole.