Tenleytown Library homeless issue

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if you consider yourself to be a Christian or a member of any faith community, now would be a good time to stop.

Here’s a good litmus test of morality for anyone, regardless of faith. Imagine that you are saying the words you are about to say in front of Pope Leo. Do you still need to say them? Do you need to say them a different way? If you said them, what do you think he’d say back to you?

And I say this as not a Catholic.

OP here -

Thankfully I no longer consider myself a Christian because I have been able to break away from years of indoctrination and recognize hypocrisy when I see it. The treatment of people in religious communities (particularly the Catholic one I grew up in) is awful. I don’t think I need to explain much more about that.

Maybe Opus Dei who owns many properties in Tenleytown would be interested in welcoming these individuals to come stay with them.

I actually do pride myself on staying in the city with a family, showing them different cultures, and putting them around people of different faiths, colors, backgrounds, and needs. But no, I do not think I should have to expose them to the things they experienced this week in order to use a public space.

No other library I am aware of has such a prime vestibule for this sort of activity.

Public spaces are for...the public, OP.

If you don't like the FACT that there are many people without homes among the public; many people without access to showers among the public; many people facing unemployment among the public; or people facing among the public, then vote, get involved, donate, or DO SOMETHING about it.

Too bad for you that "the public" means everyone, not just those who you deem to be worthy of dignity.

That's all.

What utter BS and drivel. No, we don't have to put up with the homeless urinating and defecating in public spaces and on public transportation. They can seek help from their families, churches, synagogues, and provate sources. If they choose to not take advantage of available resources or lack the cognitive ability or mental stability to do so, then our govt services need to house them with supervision.

You should start a petition advocating for higher taxes so that the gov can take care if them.

Nope. I would prefer to advocate stopping the endless handouts to 501c3 that don't receive any oversight. The government should operate the shelters and avoid the middle man. This is especially true if the shelter is going to deprive people of rights. Only the government should do that. It's the same as the private prison problem. The 501c3s only want to take the easy cases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you consider yourself to be a Christian or a member of any faith community, now would be a good time to stop.

Here’s a good litmus test of morality for anyone, regardless of faith. Imagine that you are saying the words you are about to say in front of Pope Leo. Do you still need to say them? Do you need to say them a different way? If you said them, what do you think he’d say back to you?

And I say this as not a Catholic.

This whole attempt to apply Christian morality by people who are not Christians and don’t know the first thing about Christian ethics is truly bizarre…

Do you really believe that Christian ethics require people to accept and facilitate behavior that is both self-destructive and harmful to society?

Christian charity has always been conditional. That’s why secularists hate it and prefer entitlements, where people can spiral out of control in private with “dignity.”

Amen.

Is there anyone more infuriating than a smug atheist who has nothing but contempt for Christianity being like "Well ackshualy if you were a REAL Christian you'd do (suicidal thing that no one in their right mind would ever do)"

"Donate all of your wealth to charity and live on the street?"

Nothing about this passage contradicts keeping public spaces free of mentally unstable and antisocial behaviors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you consider yourself to be a Christian or a member of any faith community, now would be a good time to stop.

Here’s a good litmus test of morality for anyone, regardless of faith. Imagine that you are saying the words you are about to say in front of Pope Leo. Do you still need to say them? Do you need to say them a different way? If you said them, what do you think he’d say back to you?

And I say this as not a Catholic.

This whole attempt to apply Christian morality by people who are not Christians and don’t know the first thing about Christian ethics is truly bizarre…

Do you really believe that Christian ethics require people to accept and facilitate behavior that is both self-destructive and harmful to society?

Christian charity has always been conditional. That’s why secularists hate it and prefer entitlements, where people can spiral out of control in private with “dignity.”

Amen.

Is there anyone more infuriating than a smug atheist who has nothing but contempt for Christianity being like "Well ackshualy if you were a REAL Christian you'd do (suicidal thing that no one in their right mind would ever do)"

"Donate all of your wealth to charity and live on the street?"

Nothing about this passage contradicts keeping public spaces free of mentally unstable and antisocial behaviors.

I find your stench extremely antisocial. You should not go out in public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you consider yourself to be a Christian or a member of any faith community, now would be a good time to stop.

Here’s a good litmus test of morality for anyone, regardless of faith. Imagine that you are saying the words you are about to say in front of Pope Leo. Do you still need to say them? Do you need to say them a different way? If you said them, what do you think he’d say back to you?

And I say this as not a Catholic.

OP here -

Thankfully I no longer consider myself a Christian because I have been able to break away from years of indoctrination and recognize hypocrisy when I see it. The treatment of people in religious communities (particularly the Catholic one I grew up in) is awful. I don’t think I need to explain much more about that.

Maybe Opus Dei who owns many properties in Tenleytown would be interested in welcoming these individuals to come stay with them.

I actually do pride myself on staying in the city with a family, showing them different cultures, and putting them around people of different faiths, colors, backgrounds, and needs. But no, I do not think I should have to expose them to the things they experienced this week in order to use a public space.

No other library I am aware of has such a prime vestibule for this sort of activity.

Public spaces are for...the public, OP.

If you don't like the FACT that there are many people without homes among the public; many people without access to showers among the public; many people facing unemployment among the public; or people facing among the public, then vote, get involved, donate, or DO SOMETHING about it.

Too bad for you that "the public" means everyone, not just those who you deem to be worthy of dignity.

That's all.

What utter BS and drivel. No, we don't have to put up with the homeless urinating and defecating in public spaces and on public transportation. They can seek help from their families, churches, synagogues, and provate sources. If they choose to not take advantage of available resources or lack the cognitive ability or mental stability to do so, then our govt services need to house them with supervision.

Churches and synagogues are sooooooo welcoming these days. PLEASEEEEEE. You're a shit person and I hope you end up homeless one day.

Actually, I support a homeless, mentally ill woman who prefers to live in her car with her cat; snd my church provides breakfast, lunch, and shower facilities to 500 men daily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you consider yourself to be a Christian or a member of any faith community, now would be a good time to stop.

Here’s a good litmus test of morality for anyone, regardless of faith. Imagine that you are saying the words you are about to say in front of Pope Leo. Do you still need to say them? Do you need to say them a different way? If you said them, what do you think he’d say back to you?

And I say this as not a Catholic.

OP here -

Thankfully I no longer consider myself a Christian because I have been able to break away from years of indoctrination and recognize hypocrisy when I see it. The treatment of people in religious communities (particularly the Catholic one I grew up in) is awful. I don’t think I need to explain much more about that.

Maybe Opus Dei who owns many properties in Tenleytown would be interested in welcoming these individuals to come stay with them.

I actually do pride myself on staying in the city with a family, showing them different cultures, and putting them around people of different faiths, colors, backgrounds, and needs. But no, I do not think I should have to expose them to the things they experienced this week in order to use a public space.

No other library I am aware of has such a prime vestibule for this sort of activity.

Public spaces are for...the public, OP.

If you don't like the FACT that there are many people without homes among the public; many people without access to showers among the public; many people facing unemployment among the public; or people facing among the public, then vote, get involved, donate, or DO SOMETHING about it.

Too bad for you that "the public" means everyone, not just those who you deem to be worthy of dignity.

That's all.

What utter BS and drivel. No, we don't have to put up with the homeless urinating and defecating in public spaces and on public transportation. They can seek help from their families, churches, synagogues, and provate sources. If they choose to not take advantage of available resources or lack the cognitive ability or mental stability to do so, then our govt services need to house them with supervision.

Churches and synagogues are sooooooo welcoming these days. PLEASEEEEEE. You're a shit person and I hope you end up homeless one day.

Actually, I support a homeless, mentally ill woman who prefers to live in her car with her cat; snd my church provides breakfast, lunch, and shower facilities to 500 men daily.

Good for you. Here is a cookie.

Are you also complaining about the homeless using the library, though?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you consider yourself to be a Christian or a member of any faith community, now would be a good time to stop.

Here’s a good litmus test of morality for anyone, regardless of faith. Imagine that you are saying the words you are about to say in front of Pope Leo. Do you still need to say them? Do you need to say them a different way? If you said them, what do you think he’d say back to you?

And I say this as not a Catholic.

OP here -

Thankfully I no longer consider myself a Christian because I have been able to break away from years of indoctrination and recognize hypocrisy when I see it. The treatment of people in religious communities (particularly the Catholic one I grew up in) is awful. I don’t think I need to explain much more about that.

Maybe Opus Dei who owns many properties in Tenleytown would be interested in welcoming these individuals to come stay with them.

I actually do pride myself on staying in the city with a family, showing them different cultures, and putting them around people of different faiths, colors, backgrounds, and needs. But no, I do not think I should have to expose them to the things they experienced this week in order to use a public space.

No other library I am aware of has such a prime vestibule for this sort of activity.

Public spaces are for...the public, OP.

If you don't like the FACT that there are many people without homes among the public; many people without access to showers among the public; many people facing unemployment among the public; or people facing among the public, then vote, get involved, donate, or DO SOMETHING about it.

Too bad for you that "the public" means everyone, not just those who you deem to be worthy of dignity.

That's all.

What utter BS and drivel. No, we don't have to put up with the homeless urinating and defecating in public spaces and on public transportation. They can seek help from their families, churches, synagogues, and provate sources. If they choose to not take advantage of available resources or lack the cognitive ability or mental stability to do so, then our govt services need to house them with supervision.

Churches and synagogues are sooooooo welcoming these days. PLEASEEEEEE. You're a shit person and I hope you end up homeless one day.

Actually, I support a homeless, mentally ill woman who prefers to live in her car with her cat; snd my church provides breakfast, lunch, and shower facilities to 500 men daily.

Good for you. Here is a cookie.

Are you also complaining about the homeless using the library, though?

Not homeless who are simply using the facilities, sitting quietly, cleaning up in restrooms, etc. if they're loud, drunk, and drugged up and a potential threat to other patrons and children, then they need to be removed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you consider yourself to be a Christian or a member of any faith community, now would be a good time to stop.

Here’s a good litmus test of morality for anyone, regardless of faith. Imagine that you are saying the words you are about to say in front of Pope Leo. Do you still need to say them? Do you need to say them a different way? If you said them, what do you think he’d say back to you?

And I say this as not a Catholic.

OP here -

Thankfully I no longer consider myself a Christian because I have been able to break away from years of indoctrination and recognize hypocrisy when I see it. The treatment of people in religious communities (particularly the Catholic one I grew up in) is awful. I don’t think I need to explain much more about that.

Maybe Opus Dei who owns many properties in Tenleytown would be interested in welcoming these individuals to come stay with them.

I actually do pride myself on staying in the city with a family, showing them different cultures, and putting them around people of different faiths, colors, backgrounds, and needs. But no, I do not think I should have to expose them to the things they experienced this week in order to use a public space.

No other library I am aware of has such a prime vestibule for this sort of activity.

Public spaces are for...the public, OP.

If you don't like the FACT that there are many people without homes among the public; many people without access to showers among the public; many people facing unemployment among the public; or people facing among the public, then vote, get involved, donate, or DO SOMETHING about it.

Too bad for you that "the public" means everyone, not just those who you deem to be worthy of dignity.

That's all.

What utter BS and drivel. No, we don't have to put up with the homeless urinating and defecating in public spaces and on public transportation. They can seek help from their families, churches, synagogues, and provate sources. If they choose to not take advantage of available resources or lack the cognitive ability or mental stability to do so, then our govt services need to house them with supervision.

Churches and synagogues are sooooooo welcoming these days. PLEASEEEEEE. You're a shit person and I hope you end up homeless one day.

Actually, I support a homeless, mentally ill woman who prefers to live in her car with her cat; snd my church provides breakfast, lunch, and shower facilities to 500 men daily.

Good for you. Here is a cookie.

Are you also complaining about the homeless using the library, though?

Not homeless who are simply using the facilities, sitting quietly, cleaning up in restrooms, etc. if they're loud, drunk, and drugged up and a potential threat to other patrons and children, then they need to be removed.

What is OP's description even hinted at that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you consider yourself to be a Christian or a member of any faith community, now would be a good time to stop.

Here’s a good litmus test of morality for anyone, regardless of faith. Imagine that you are saying the words you are about to say in front of Pope Leo. Do you still need to say them? Do you need to say them a different way? If you said them, what do you think he’d say back to you?

And I say this as not a Catholic.

OP here -

Thankfully I no longer consider myself a Christian because I have been able to break away from years of indoctrination and recognize hypocrisy when I see it. The treatment of people in religious communities (particularly the Catholic one I grew up in) is awful. I don’t think I need to explain much more about that.

Maybe Opus Dei who owns many properties in Tenleytown would be interested in welcoming these individuals to come stay with them.

I actually do pride myself on staying in the city with a family, showing them different cultures, and putting them around people of different faiths, colors, backgrounds, and needs. But no, I do not think I should have to expose them to the things they experienced this week in order to use a public space.

No other library I am aware of has such a prime vestibule for this sort of activity.

Public spaces are for...the public, OP.

If you don't like the FACT that there are many people without homes among the public; many people without access to showers among the public; many people facing unemployment among the public; or people facing among the public, then vote, get involved, donate, or DO SOMETHING about it.

Too bad for you that "the public" means everyone, not just those who you deem to be worthy of dignity.

That's all.

What utter BS and drivel. No, we don't have to put up with the homeless urinating and defecating in public spaces and on public transportation. They can seek help from their families, churches, synagogues, and provate sources. If they choose to not take advantage of available resources or lack the cognitive ability or mental stability to do so, then our govt services need to house them with supervision.

Churches and synagogues are sooooooo welcoming these days. PLEASEEEEEE. You're a shit person and I hope you end up homeless one day.

Actually, I support a homeless, mentally ill woman who prefers to live in her car with her cat; snd my church provides breakfast, lunch, and shower facilities to 500 men daily.

Good for you. Here is a cookie.

Are you also complaining about the homeless using the library, though?

Not homeless who are simply using the facilities, sitting quietly, cleaning up in restrooms, etc. if they're loud, drunk, and drugged up and a potential threat to other patrons and children, then they need to be removed.

What is OP's description even hinted at that?

You asked a general question, and I answered it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only gross people in this scenario is OP and her spawn. I am sick and tired of privileged people being so completely tone deaf. OP would rather these people freeze to death than find the only shelter they have in the city. They have nowhere else to go so save me your "offensive smell" and "gag" nonsense.

They have places to go. However, those places have more rules. The library is a free for all.

Including the homeless. They belong there just as much as OP.

No, actually, they do not.

The library serves a purpose. It is for browsing books, studying, accessing the internet if you don't have it at home, making copies, going to children's story time, etc.

It is not for hanging out, loitering, sleeping, harassing people and other things that many homeless people do there. So no, they do not have the "right" to be there to misuse the facility in this way.

[Anonymous]

A lot of keyboard warriors here whom I'm pretty sure have never done anything at all in the real world to help the homeless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only gross people in this scenario is OP and her spawn. I am sick and tired of privileged people being so completely tone deaf. OP would rather these people freeze to death than find the only shelter they have in the city. They have nowhere else to go so save me your "offensive smell" and "gag" nonsense.

They have places to go. However, those places have more rules. The library is a free for all.

Including the homeless. They belong there just as much as OP.

No, actually, they do not.

The library serves a purpose. It is for browsing books, studying, accessing the internet if you don't have it at home, making copies, going to children's story time, etc.

It is not for hanging out, loitering, sleeping, harassing people and other things that many homeless people do there. So no, they do not have the "right" to be there to misuse the facility in this way.

No one was harassing Op or her spawn. Again, they have as much right to sit there as you do. You’d know that too if you weren’t a horrible person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of keyboard warriors here whom I'm pretty sure have never done anything at all in the real world to help the homeless.

Even if that’s true, we aren’t starting threads to bash the less fortunate because we had the misfortune of smelling them. The horrros!!! I’m glad OP has to deal with the homeless actually.

[Anonymous]

There have been unhoused/otherwise distressed people in every public library I’ve been to and it’s usually not an issue. The librarians are pretty on top of it. It sounds like OP just caught a bad moment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of keyboard warriors here whom I'm pretty sure have never done anything at all in the real world to help the homeless.

And a lot of keyboard warriors who don't actually live in areas in which they come in contact with large numbers of homeless individuals using drugs, drinking alcohol, and urinating and defecating on public streets and in public parks, etc. If they have job skills and can be placed in public housing, then let's provide that housing. If they're mentally ill and unwilling to accept treatment or take prescribed medications, then place then in mental hospitals. If they're committing violent crimes, they need to be in prison. Public streets, parks, and yards are not acceptable housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of keyboard warriors here whom I'm pretty sure have never done anything at all in the real world to help the homeless.

Do you feel comfortable with someone like Nick Reiner and his mental health issues spending the day at the library when he was homeless?