End of Dept Ed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

[Anonymous]

Great move. The National Board of Ed. has been poisoned and is a contradiction towards improving student outcomes. The results speak for themselves, it's a waste of money.

The Board of Ed serves big money big pension Administrators more than it does teachers. Cut it. It has no positive impact, and let the states do their job. Then people will continue to vote with their feet, by pulling their kids out of the woke DEI schools that have erased standards.

After observing this over the last 5 or so year's, the the Teachers Union also is mislabeled. This union should be called The Education Administrators Union.
They are not about the teachers. Their entire goal is to get everyone paid via Federal Tax dollars.
Thus, they need head counts in their districts, to then equal the number of paid administrators, which led to Illegals being shipping into cities such as NYC.
For 2025-26, NYC/Federal tax dollars are paying a record-setting $36,000 per student! And getting zero outcome!!

Why is that? Because the administrators are getting the money, and using the breathing illegal to obtain that "commission."

The Board of Ed. not only should be disbanded, it has EARNED it's demise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

This. I began working in the schools when my own kids were in MS/HS after years SAH. It has been so eye opening. If I knew when they were younger what I know now, we would have done private K-12 and I plan to pay for my grandchildren to do just that.

Without major reform, public schools will become just for poor and special education students. Even middle class families will find a way out.

And I work at a “highly rated” school in a wealthy area with an active parents community. It’s still atrocious and the parents don’t seem to know. I didn’t back then.

There is no middle class.

And Parents of special needs children are in a for a rude awakening. You never miss the water until the well runs dry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

This. I began working in the schools when my own kids were in MS/HS after years SAH. It has been so eye opening. If I knew when they were younger what I know now, we would have done private K-12 and I plan to pay for my grandchildren to do just that.

Without major reform, public schools will become just for poor and special education students. Even middle class families will find a way out.

And I work at a “highly rated” school in a wealthy area with an active parents community. It’s still atrocious and the parents don’t seem to know. I didn’t back then.

What does any of that have to do with the FEDERAL Dept. of Education, which does not control local curricula, hiring practices, or anything else that you think is wrong with public schools? The current state of public schools is primarily a local issue.

exactly. There has been a 35 year agenda of demonizing public school and its worker.

People have short memory and don’t realize what life was like before the department of education.

[Anonymous]

exactly. There has been a 35 year agenda of demonizing public school and its worker.

People have short memory and don’t realize what life was like before the department of education.

Doesnt matter. The Federal Board of Ed. has earned the right to be disbanded because of how pathetic they are. Would you keep hiring the same losing coach or business manager over and over?? (Don't answer that Democrats, lol)
The data tells us, the messaging from the Board of Ed. leadership tells us everything. No one that works close to a school thinks it's working.
Have you see the math scores in California released by UC-San Diego for their freshman class? They had to start a grade school math program FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS!.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
exactly. There has been a 35 year agenda of demonizing public school and its worker.

People have short memory and don’t realize what life was like before the department of education.

Doesnt matter. The Federal Board of Ed. has earned the right to be disbanded because of how pathetic they are. Would you keep hiring the same losing coach or business manager over and over?? (Don't answer that Democrats, lol)
The data tells us, the messaging from the Board of Ed. leadership tells us everything. No one that works close to a school thinks it's working.
Have you see the math scores in California released by UC-San Diego for their freshman class? They had to start a grade school math program FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS!.

There is no “Federal Board of Ed.”

[Anonymous]

This. I began working in the schools when my own kids were in MS/HS after years SAH. It has been so eye opening. If I knew when they were younger what I know now, we would have done private K-12 and I plan to pay for my grandchildren to do just that.

Without major reform, public schools will become just for poor and special education students. Even middle class families will find a way out.

And I work at a “highly rated” school in a wealthy area with an active parents community. It’s still atrocious and the parents don’t seem to know. I didn’t back then.

Here's what very very basic reform looks like, aka every other 1st and 2nd world Country around the world, or America before 2010...

Eliminate the idea or semblance of DEI: Merit-based standards. If you're a quality student, you're in accelerated classes. If you're a quality student, Talented & Gifted/Advanced Placement classes exist, and are not cut or called racist by Democrats. Want to be in an AP course? Earn it.

Discipline: Discipline the bad kids, hold them back, more detention, extra assignments for punishment, for god sakes just make them read anything but their phone. Reading on a daily basis is the fastest way to improve IQ, outcomes, work ethic, academic quality.

Eliminate more administrators: Every school district, especially in the inner city has massive bloat in this area. You can easily eliminate 20% of administrators, and give 10% of that money back to the taxpayer, and the other 10% into actual teachers, sports coaches, extracurricular.
In my perfect world, the kids are at school 7am-5pm in the inner city. That's the only way they can accelerate and reach the rest of the kids in the country.
If Lizzo wanted to look like Beyonce, she'd have to devote herself to a daily grind over many year's to reach that. Same thing. Those are the circumstances Lizzo ended up with or caused herself to have (look like), so in order to get to Beyonce, she has to grind, just like these communities and school district's would have to.

If they don't? Then it remains status quo. You can argue against me, just accept that nothing will change for this large group of kids, while everyone else flocks to the best public school versions of a-still eroding system. The other's will talk about this 20 years later after they all went to private school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This. I began working in the schools when my own kids were in MS/HS after years SAH. It has been so eye opening. If I knew when they were younger what I know now, we would have done private K-12 and I plan to pay for my grandchildren to do just that.

Without major reform, public schools will become just for poor and special education students. Even middle class families will find a way out.

And I work at a “highly rated” school in a wealthy area with an active parents community. It’s still atrocious and the parents don’t seem to know. I didn’t back then.

Here's what very very basic reform looks like, aka every other 1st and 2nd world Country around the world, or America before 2010...

Eliminate the idea or semblance of DEI: Merit-based standards. If you're a quality student, you're in accelerated classes. If you're a quality student, Talented & Gifted/Advanced Placement classes exist, and are not cut or called racist by Democrats. Want to be in an AP course? Earn it.

Discipline: Discipline the bad kids, hold them back, more detention, extra assignments for punishment, for god sakes just make them read anything but their phone. Reading on a daily basis is the fastest way to improve IQ, outcomes, work ethic, academic quality.

Eliminate more administrators: Every school district, especially in the inner city has massive bloat in this area. You can easily eliminate 20% of administrators, and give 10% of that money back to the taxpayer, and the other 10% into actual teachers, sports coaches, extracurricular.
In my perfect world, the kids are at school 7am-5pm in the inner city. That's the only way they can accelerate and reach the rest of the kids in the country.
If Lizzo wanted to look like Beyonce, she'd have to devote herself to a daily grind over many year's to reach that. Same thing. Those are the circumstances Lizzo ended up with or caused herself to have (look like), so in order to get to Beyonce, she has to grind, just like these communities and school district's would have to.

If they don't? Then it remains status quo. You can argue against me, just accept that nothing will change for this large group of kids, while everyone else flocks to the best public school versions of a-still eroding system. The other's will talk about this 20 years later after they all went to private school.

Grandma, did you forget to take your pill again?

[Anonymous]

Grandma, did you forget to take your pill again?

Actually, am a man thank you very much. Sorry that you're unable to look at something that is a failure, and come up with ways to greatly improve and enhance it. Not everyone is going to be a winner.

If you did an experiment of the status quo, and then my idea and then year's down the road did an analysis, you would be embarrassed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Grandma, did you forget to take your pill again?

Actually, am a man thank you very much. Sorry that you're unable to look at something that is a failure, and come up with ways to greatly improve and enhance it. Not everyone is going to be a winner.

If you did an experiment of the status quo, and then my idea and then year's down the road did an analysis, you would be embarrassed.

Okay! Whatever you say “grandpa.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
exactly. There has been a 35 year agenda of demonizing public school and its worker.

People have short memory and don’t realize what life was like before the department of education.

Doesnt matter. The Federal Board of Ed. has earned the right to be disbanded because of how pathetic they are. Would you keep hiring the same losing coach or business manager over and over?? (Don't answer that Democrats, lol)
The data tells us, the messaging from the Board of Ed. leadership tells us everything. No one that works close to a school thinks it's working.
Have you see the math scores in California released by UC-San Diego for their freshman class? They had to start a grade school math program FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS!.

There is no “Federal Board of Ed.”

This! +1

The rest of PP's argument is junk when they start with clearly showing they have zero understanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

[Anonymous]

It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

How are you supposed to address lack of parental involvement? You can’t make parents care.