End of Dept Ed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump loves the poorly educated.

The public school system made many poorly educated voters.

[Anonymous]

I hope we see an end to no child left behind.

Separate the kids who don’t want to be in school to learn from those who will make the most of it.

The disruptive losers can be sent to daycare until they age out and it will cheaper than public schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Things have only gotten worse, by any objective measure, since the Dept. of Ed was created. Good riddance.

Correlation does not equal causation. Test score got worse since Trump became President in 2017. By your logic, we should get rid of him. They’ve also declined as the moon has slowly moved father from the earth. Maybe we need to fix that too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education didn’t just “go bad.” There has been a systematic attack on it for over 60 years after they were forced to integrate. Would it benefit from reforms? Yes! But destruction has been intentional.

Good luck America

The cause is the GOP undercutting public education reform and pulling public money out of public education and into parochial and "charter" schools.

You missed a few steps. It's because parents lost the ability to parent and forced the schools to be social experiments by pushing in sped and keeping in crazy, out of control kids. If you remove those kids, much of the focus can return to educating instead of trying to keep up. No more race to the bottom curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Speaking as a teacher - just let us teach, not constantly assess.
And parent your children so we don't have to do it. If your child is a behavioral issue, it brings the entire class down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope we see an end to no child left behind.

Separate the kids who don’t want to be in school to learn from those who will make the most of it.

The disruptive losers can be sent to daycare until they age out and it will cheaper than public schools.

Separate the kids who can't keep up by themselves from the ones who can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking as a teacher - just let us teach, not constantly assess.
And parent your children so we don't have to do it. If your child is a behavioral issue, it brings the entire class down.

I am also a teacher and agree completely. When a child overturns their desk or throws a chair across the classroom, I have to follow current school policy which is to lead the rest of the students out of the classroom to a “safe area.” There we wait, until one disruptive student, alone in the classroom, calms down.

Our policy is just one absurd result of the extreme lengths to which the county school system has taken DEIA (there are many other absurdities which sabotage the ability to teach).

If your child has behavioral problems, please deal with them yourself and stop using my classroom as a dumping ground for violent children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

We moved to FCPS for the schools a year ago and are super happy. All of our neighbors here love the schools including many military who have lived all over. I take your comment with a grain of salt considering the ultra type A competitiveness of all of FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

FCPs went down the drain with the Thomas Jefferson type of high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope we see an end to no child left behind.

Separate the kids who don’t want to be in school to learn from those who will make the most of it.

The disruptive losers can be sent to daycare until they age out and it will cheaper than public schools.

This was created by conservative Republicans who were angry that kids didn't get tested enough to "hold teachers accountable."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act

So you're saying Republicans should stay out of education policy?

Literally all the complaining in this thread is because of the Republican bill:

According to the Department of Education, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 aimed to increase school accountability for student educational outcomes and reduce disparities between lower-performing and higher-performing students and districts. To achieve these goals, the NCLB Act required all federally funded public schools to administer a standardized test annually to students in selected grades. To improve student outcomes, the act identified several strategies school districts could employ, such as teacher professional development, educational technology, and activities to involve parents.

[Anonymous]

I hope we see an end to no child left behind.

It was effectively killed in 2015.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

This. I began working in the schools when my own kids were in MS/HS after years SAH. It has been so eye opening. If I knew when they were younger what I know now, we would have done private K-12 and I plan to pay for my grandchildren to do just that.

Without major reform, public schools will become just for poor and special education students. Even middle class families will find a way out.

And I work at a “highly rated” school in a wealthy area with an active parents community. It’s still atrocious and the parents don’t seem to know. I didn’t back then.

Interesting. Would like to know more. From your perspective, can you name three phenomenon or issues (system-wide ones, not 'Principal Smith is lazy' or whatever) that a) led you to believe this and b) that you believe exist across school (not just the ones you mentioned.)

Not challenging what you said, but would like to understand the problems.

PP here. Just off the top of my head:

-Canned curriculums that are forced on teachers and most materials are predetermined and dictated. Kids, even kindergartners are leaning from slides not even made by their teacher. Even if a teacher wanted to expand on this or teach it in a different way, she really doesn’t have time without falling off the pacing guide. Maybe this raises up terrible teachers a little, but it really blunts the effectiveness of good teachers.

-HUGE variances in ability levels and knowledge among students. It’s literally impossible for a teacher, even a great one, to meet the needs of most or all students. You are either way ahead of your low students or boring your high students to tears. We have kindergartners who don’t know any letter names or sounds and kindergartners who can read complete long sentences. This only compounds with each new year. We brings me to…

- kids are not required to master any skills or knowledge to move on to the next grade. You don’t have to know X, Y or Z to move from second to third grade. You just go up no matter what. It has to be SO egregious for a kid to repeat a grade.

- too many special education students for the amount of resources schools have. Too many students are pushed into a general education classroom, which most often sucks a ton of the teacher’s time leaving even less for the rest of the class. Kids are also routinely exposed to poor behavior, and because this is tolerated due to the IEP, I’m convinced that this, plus permissive parenting, have made ALL the kids behave worse because they can get away with it. Parents would be shocked to know how many times their child has to be told to get our their math notebook or put away their Chromebook or step talking to their neighbor or stop roaming around the room during the lesson. Not IEP kids.

Overall, just the standards and expectations for both academics and behavior are so low. Average and above average students are not remotely challenged. They are given way too much time to do classwork (I guess in the hopes that the lower kids will be able to finish?) that even a slightly above average kid with the ability to stay on task is going to finish every assignment very early and have tons of time to kill waiting for the end of that block. Ie: Reading is a 50 minute block. The whole group lesson takes 15 minutes. The assignment given takes a typical student 15 minutes, so they have 20 minutes to kill every single day. Repeat this for each subject. Then you have students who couldn’t or wouldn’t finish the assignment if you gave them all day u less you sat right next to them and spoon fed them every answer and prodded them to keep going.

If you could just take the top half students of every class, and give good teachers more autonomy, the experience would be unrecognizable.

Thank you for the details and info. It's going back a long way, but when I was in elementary school (public), there were very clearly "streams" -- e.g., high(er) achieving students, middle, lower -- sort of the smartest kids, the middle ground, the slower ones and you could be in the "smart" class for English but the "dumb" class for math... am using the terms kids used then. Is it still like that (separate streams?) or is everyone mixed together?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Things have only gotten worse, by any objective measure, since the Dept. of Ed was created. Good riddance.

This is because republicans were in control.

[Anonymous]

What we really need is a total reform of the IDEA. We cannot continue to allow rights for disabled students to negatively affect the progress of non-disabled students.

ALL should be entitled to an appropriate education, not just those with IEPs.