End of Dept Ed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Public education didn’t just “go bad.” There has been a systematic attack on it for over 60 years after they were forced to integrate. Would it benefit from reforms? Yes! But destruction has been intentional.

Good luck America

Yes a systemic attack on it by teachers unions and overpaid layabout teachers more interesting in brainwashing then education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This. I began working in the schools when my own kids were in MS/HS after years SAH. It has been so eye opening. If I knew when they were younger what I know now, we would have done private K-12 and I plan to pay for my grandchildren to do just that.

Without major reform, public schools will become just for poor and special education students. Even middle class families will find a way out.

And I work at a “highly rated” school in a wealthy area with an active parents community. It’s still atrocious and the parents don’t seem to know. I didn’t back then.

Here's what very very basic reform looks like, aka every other 1st and 2nd world Country around the world, or America before 2010...

Eliminate the idea or semblance of DEI: Merit-based standards. If you're a quality student, you're in accelerated classes. If you're a quality student, Talented & Gifted/Advanced Placement classes exist, and are not cut or called racist by Democrats. Want to be in an AP course? Earn it.

Discipline: Discipline the bad kids, hold them back, more detention, extra assignments for punishment, for god sakes just make them read anything but their phone. Reading on a daily basis is the fastest way to improve IQ, outcomes, work ethic, academic quality.

Eliminate more administrators: Every school district, especially in the inner city has massive bloat in this area. You can easily eliminate 20% of administrators, and give 10% of that money back to the taxpayer, and the other 10% into actual teachers, sports coaches, extracurricular.
In my perfect world, the kids are at school 7am-5pm in the inner city. That's the only way they can accelerate and reach the rest of the kids in the country.
If Lizzo wanted to look like Beyonce, she'd have to devote herself to a daily grind over many year's to reach that. Same thing. Those are the circumstances Lizzo ended up with or caused herself to have (look like), so in order to get to Beyonce, she has to grind, just like these communities and school district's would have to.

If they don't? Then it remains status quo. You can argue against me, just accept that nothing will change for this large group of kids, while everyone else flocks to the best public school versions of a-still eroding system. The other's will talk about this 20 years later after they all went to private school.

I agree with this. And much of it has already occurred in my hometown: Baltimore.

Zero students (as in: none) are proficient in math at 23 different Baltimore public schools:

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/state-test-results-23-baltimore-schools-have-zero-students-proficient-in-math-jovani-patterson-maryland-comprehensive-assessment-program-maryland-governor-wes-moore

Look for other sources of this fact if you don’t like the local affiliate news. You’ll see it is true.

Before any leftist nut-job tries to blame this on school funding, Baltimore is the 4th highest funded large school system in the United States, spending ~$21,000 per pupil per year.

Baltimore’s high level of educational spending is almost double what OECD countries spend.
Overall, the literacy rate for the entire USA for high school graduates is only 80%, meaning 20% or 1/5th of high school graduates can't read proficiently.

For comparison, Japan spends $9,923 per pupil with a 99% literacy rate.

Baltimore’s solution here is: private schools. Private schools at every price-point. Catholic subsidized schools in poor neighborhoods are within reach to some residents at or near the poverty level (and scholarships are available).

If democrats continue to destroy public education across the U.S., they will have no one but themselves to blame for the growth of educational vouchers.

[Anonymous]

We need more schools at the parochial Catholic price point that are secular. The only options within a reasonable drive of us are Catholic or evangelical Christian, neither of which are okay with us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Grandma, did you forget to take your pill again?

Actually, am a man thank you very much. Sorry that you're unable to look at something that is a failure, and come up with ways to greatly improve and enhance it. Not everyone is going to be a winner.

If you did an experiment of the status quo, and then my idea and then year's down the road did an analysis, you would be embarrassed.

Okay! Whatever you say “grandpa.”

Yep, you're a democrat. Homework is no longer necessary like required reading but here we are, huh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

How are you supposed to address lack of parental involvement? You can’t make parents care.

If parents don't care, the kids don't care. If the kids are disruptive then bring back expulsion.

[Anonymous]

Well elementary education is now under the Dept. of Labor, so I think it means that MAGA wants child workers. The felon did say he wants the "golden age," which I think means the "gilded age."

So, child laborers it is so women can stay home and billionaires can get richer...MAGA!

[Anonymous]

I'm pp, I also heard today someone say that MAGA wants to build a "scrolling society," a-la Bread and Circuses.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

How are you supposed to address lack of parental involvement? You can’t make parents care.

If parents don't care, the kids don't care. If the kids are disruptive then bring back expulsion.

Obama began the absurd mantra “school discipline is racist; expulsion is racist.”

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Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

How are you supposed to address lack of parental involvement? You can’t make parents care.

If parents don't care, the kids don't care. If the kids are disruptive then bring back expulsion.

Obama began the absurd mantra “school discipline is racist; expulsion is racist.”

Says who?

[Anonymous]

Teacher here.

I'm no fan of Trump, but the "Race to the Top" grants under Obama (Arne Duncan) were a bridge way too far. Complete federal overreach. Duncan ended up resigning after that. I believe those grants would have been found unconstitutional at some point. For those on here who think that the Department of Education had no influence over K-12 education, you are wrong. They had a lot of influence through the testing mandates and grants/punitive actions tied to those test scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

This. I began working in the schools when my own kids were in MS/HS after years SAH. It has been so eye opening. If I knew when they were younger what I know now, we would have done private K-12 and I plan to pay for my grandchildren to do just that.

Without major reform, public schools will become just for poor and special education students. Even middle class families will find a way out.

And I work at a “highly rated” school in a wealthy area with an active parents community. It’s still atrocious and the parents don’t seem to know. I didn’t back then.

Interesting. Would like to know more. From your perspective, can you name three phenomenon or issues (system-wide ones, not 'Principal Smith is lazy' or whatever) that a) led you to believe this and b) that you believe exist across school (not just the ones you mentioned.)

Not challenging what you said, but would like to understand the problems.

PP here. Just off the top of my head:

-Canned curriculums that are forced on teachers and most materials are predetermined and dictated. Kids, even kindergartners are leaning from slides not even made by their teacher. Even if a teacher wanted to expand on this or teach it in a different way, she really doesn’t have time without falling off the pacing guide. Maybe this raises up terrible teachers a little, but it really blunts the effectiveness of good teachers.

-HUGE variances in ability levels and knowledge among students. It’s literally impossible for a teacher, even a great one, to meet the needs of most or all students. You are either way ahead of your low students or boring your high students to tears. We have kindergartners who don’t know any letter names or sounds and kindergartners who can read complete long sentences. This only compounds with each new year. We brings me to…

- kids are not required to master any skills or knowledge to move on to the next grade. You don’t have to know X, Y or Z to move from second to third grade. You just go up no matter what. It has to be SO egregious for a kid to repeat a grade.

- too many special education students for the amount of resources schools have. Too many students are pushed into a general education classroom, which most often sucks a ton of the teacher’s time leaving even less for the rest of the class. Kids are also routinely exposed to poor behavior, and because this is tolerated due to the IEP, I’m convinced that this, plus permissive parenting, have made ALL the kids behave worse because they can get away with it. Parents would be shocked to know how many times their child has to be told to get our their math notebook or put away their Chromebook or step talking to their neighbor or stop roaming around the room during the lesson. Not IEP kids.

Overall, just the standards and expectations for both academics and behavior are so low. Average and above average students are not remotely challenged. They are given way too much time to do classwork (I guess in the hopes that the lower kids will be able to finish?) that even a slightly above average kid with the ability to stay on task is going to finish every assignment very early and have tons of time to kill waiting for the end of that block. Ie: Reading is a 50 minute block. The whole group lesson takes 15 minutes. The assignment given takes a typical student 15 minutes, so they have 20 minutes to kill every single day. Repeat this for each subject. Then you have students who couldn’t or wouldn’t finish the assignment if you gave them all day u less you sat right next to them and spoon fed them every answer and prodded them to keep going.

If you could just take the top half students of every class, and give good teachers more autonomy, the experience would be unrecognizable.

+1 (just scratching the surface, though)
-former teacher who left the profession once I saw the writing on the wall

[Anonymous]

Make it easy like other Euro and Asian countries. In 5th and 8th have a tracking test. You fail, you go to Gen Ed and learn to scrub toilets, dig ditches, repair infrastructure, and became a daycare worker. You track advanced and you get a shot of tracking advanced for 8th. If you pass into collegiate tracking in 8th then you get access to advanced courses and get to go to college if you have $200k to pay for it. If not, you can sell cars, work retail or be assistants of something. Building prisons and asylums to house all the lower filth that will come from this should be assigned to Gen Ed also as we will need holding until these bottom feeding children pass away. Encourage intelligent people to breed only and offer abortions to the poor or insane. This will hopefully reduce the amount of Gen Ed kids in the future. In 100 years we should have corrected this problem. Oh and fine or jail parents for misbehaving or criminal kids. If they continue, send to an asylum. So many ills can be solved by using this model.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

How are you supposed to address lack of parental involvement? You can’t make parents care.

If parents don't care, the kids don't care. If the kids are disruptive then bring back expulsion.

Obama began the absurd mantra “school discipline is racist; expulsion is racist.”

Says who?

Everyone but you, apparently.

It is a commonly-known fact to anyone in public education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

How are you supposed to address lack of parental involvement? You can’t make parents care.

If parents don't care, the kids don't care. If the kids are disruptive then bring back expulsion.

Obama began the absurd mantra “school discipline is racist; expulsion is racist.”

Says who?

Everyone but you, apparently.

It is a commonly-known fact to anyone in public education.

It is true that the Dear Colleague letter authored by President Obama is generally recognized as the genesis of the viewing of school discipline through a racial lens and curtailing its use wherever possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

How are you supposed to address lack of parental involvement? You can’t make parents care.

If parents don't care, the kids don't care. If the kids are disruptive then bring back expulsion.

Obama began the absurd mantra “school discipline is racist; expulsion is racist.”

Says who?

Everyone but you, apparently.

It is a commonly-known fact to anyone in public education.

It is true that the Dear Colleague letter authored by President Obama is generally recognized as the genesis of the viewing of school discipline through a racial lens and curtailing its use wherever possible.

Here is what happened:


https://manhattan.institute/article/obamas-school-discipline-guidelines-put-students-in-grave-danger